1-800-Flowers Q2

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CHR

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The numbers are out for the second quarter.

Consumer floral purchases down slightly from $114,725 to $114, 070.

Gift Baskets & Gourmet up from $108,910 to $110, 605.

Home and Children's Gifts flat
Total revenue growth reflected the challenging economic climate during the key year-end holiday period with the majority of growth achieved attributable to the Company’s BloomNet Wire Service business, which grew 32.1 percent during the quarter.
Bloomnet up from 9,640 to 12,732.

“BloomNet continued to capture market share, growing both revenues and contribution margin by more than 30 percent during the quarter. This reflects the better value proposition offered by BloomNet, as well as our expanded suite of products and services that, together, are helping our florists not just survive, but to thrive.”

So dollars from florists was the bright spot during the Christmas season. Nice to hear all you Bloomnet members are thriving. ;) (Note that McCann didn't include the number of Bloomnet members as he had in previous reports.)

Conference call at 11 AM Eastern. Listen in via the Investor section of 1800flowers.com.
 
The three things that hit me from the 800 release:

- Money is coming from the florists (not a surprise) not from flowerbuying customers.
- 54% of orders in the Christmas quarter were from repeat customers. They are proud of this. I view it as 46% of their prior customers didn't buy from them during Christmas. Does that sound like loyalty? I would guess that for most local flowershops, at least 80 percent of existing customers bought during the last quarter (excluding funerals and weddings)
- Stock buyback -- what this means is "Hey, we can't grow our business anymore, so we will prop up the stock price so management can cash in."

oh, and one more -- revenues aren't growing anymore, but don't worry, everything is fine.

We really need the wire services (or someone) to advertise flowers. If that doesn't happen, I predict flower buying will just keep dwindling.
 
One of those creative accounting, IMO

EBITA: 33.8M (2006t) to 38.6M (2007), +4.8 million (14.2% increase)

The question is where this 4.8m came from. Look closely at "Category Contribution Margin"

1-800-flowers.com: 13.5M -> 13.6M (+0.1M)
Bloomnet: 3.3M -> 4.5M (+1.2M)
Gift Baskets: 25.3M -> 24.9M (-0.4M)
Home&Children: 3.9M -> 8.7M (+4.8M)
Other: -12.1M -> -13.1M (-1.0M)

You see that majority of the EBITA increase came from "Home&Children" division, as well as Bloomnet. Fine, but the strange thing is this.

Now look at the "gross profit" for each division....

Bloomnet: 5.8M -> 7.3M (+1.5M) -- reasonable
Home&Children: 48.0M -> 46.6M (minus 1.4M) -- ???

In other words, Home&Children division actually made less money in this Q, comapred to the last year's Q.

Then why does H&C's EBITA say it's up by almost 4.8M? You never know the answer until you audit their book. But my best guess is that they negotiated a better deal with their affiliates doing actual work for H&C. Hope someone asks this to McCann duing conference call.
 
To Me

To me the one interesting thing I get from this report is that here is the ORIGINAL ORDERGATHERER. This is the company that started it all. This is the company that started the drop in retail florist shops sales.

And who is the SAVIOR that came in riding on the white horse to save their quarterly profits..................THE RETAIL FLORISTS.

Hey, I've got a great idea. Why don't the retail florists send a check to our friend, in Vancouver. We seem to like helping all the rest of the OG's

 
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To me the one interesting thing I get from this report is that here is the ORIGINAL ORDERGATHERER. This is the company that started it all. This is the company that started the drop in retail florist shops sales.

And who is the SAVIOR that came in riding on the white horse to save their quarterly profits..................THE RETAIL FLORISTS.

Hey, I've got a great idea. Why don't the retail florists send a check to our friend, in Vancouver. We seem to like helping all the rest of the OG's


Man did I hit a sore spot? Where did everyone go? Sorry guys and girls. I only felt that it needed to be said. FTD, relies on the florists for it's profits. Now 800Flowers is relying on the florists. Just how many people can we afford to give our profits to?
 
Ah YES, the company that...................

the ORIGINAL ORDERGATHERER. This is the company that started it all. This is the company that started the drop in retail florist shops sales.

Actually, I'm of the opinion that,

This is the company that ENDED IT ALL!

Had the OLD FTDA back in 1984 enforced their own member bylaws, instead of turning a blind eye while insisting on treating them as a " JUST ANOTHER FTD MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING ", the world as US WEE BEES NOW KNOW IT, might have been a different place other than, WHAT ITS TURNED OUT TO BEE. I still have the letter which stated that to me by an employee of FTDA, and after I continually faxed the membership committee, asking them to ENFORCE OUR OWN BYLAWS.

Articles, Bylaws, Rules, Regulations and policies effective as of December 1, 1983:

Membership Rules: Item 1., paragraph 3:

" No member shall permit the publication of his shop name as a part of any list or directory of FTD florists the purpose of which is to encourage or influence Members appearing on said list or in said directory to exchange orders between themselves TO THE EXCLUSION OF OTHER MEMBERS of Florists' Transworld Delivery Association. "

INTERPRETATION: The names of FTD Members or their shops may be listed in private or public directories in connection with their membership in organizations other than Florists' Transworld Delivery Association. However, the FTD Member may not permit publication of his or her name or shop name in a list or directory of FTD Members, a purpose of which directory is to encourage or influence such members to deal with each other through FTD facilities TO THE EXCLUSION OF OTHER FTD MEMBERS.

Revision as of April 14, 1993:

Membership Rules GENERAL, page 118, Item 2, paragraph F.

No member shall represent itself as Florists' Transworld Delivery Association in its advertising or otherwise, but only that it is a Member of the Association.

Back then, and in our own Tri-State market arena, DA PUBLIC actually thought that 800 WAS FTD and due to the deluge of their local TV and Radio advertising campaigns.
 
Well then, There we go SFOX!

Man did I hit a sore spot? Where did everyone go? Sorry guys and girls. I only felt that it needed to be said. FTD, relies on the florists for it's profits. Now 800Flowers is relying on the florists. Just how many people can we afford to give our profits to?

At first, I just thought that, it was only YOU, who hit a sore spot or, in fact, could hear that pin drop as everyone just seemed to DISAPPEAR.

And now, IT BEE MEE who can also HEAR THE SAME PIN DROP!

Isn't it AMAZING when we always manage to HIT A SORE SPOT and based on DA FACTS and then, EVERYONE ELSE SEEMS TO JUST GET REAL QUIET, real fast!

Must be just the TWO OF US, living on that other planet called EARTH while the others live on their planet called BIZARO.

As I've stated in the past, and while we all know what the OLDEST PROFESSION has always been (DA PIMPS with DER HOEs), the second oldest profession has got to bee, the 800 FLORAL OG SKIMMER order fillers who all seem to be more than happy to work in their stables while handing over all of their cash to their pimps as they work the streets, serving the JOHNS.

PIMPS and HOEs and JOHNS, OH MY!

And it's so quiet, THEY COULD DIE, oh my!
 
- 54% of orders in the Christmas quarter were from repeat customers. They are proud of this. I view it as 46% of their prior customers didn't buy from them during Christmas. Does that sound like loyalty? I would guess that for most local flowershops, at least 80 percent of existing customers bought during the last quarter (excluding funerals and weddings)
According to Internet Retailer the same quarter last year saw 53% of orders from repeat customers, which is a small improvement. But, considering their investment in programs to try and improve that number - "deepen the relationship with our customers", (Fresh Rewards points, reminder service) it's a very, very small increase.

In other words, excluding this mysterious 4.8M "earning increase" from H&C devision, their net income per diluted share would ahve been $0.22 / share, compared to last year's $0.26 / share. Wall Street would have killed 1800 had they reported 22 cents a share (they reported $0.29/share).
Good eye, Goldie. That H&C figure is quite suspect. Did anyone listen to the conference call?

And who is the SAVIOR that came in riding on the white horse to save their quarterly profits..................THE RETAIL FLORISTS.
I haven't seen the member numbers from the latest directory release, but my guess is that membership is not growing. This means more florists are buying products from 1-800:
- containers
- flowers
- website hosting (which has got to be the worst SEO'd of all the florist templates)
- POS

Don't forget that a few very big OGs also moved over to 1-800 since last year.

The company also invested time & money in social sites like Second Life, FaceBook and YouTube and one would think those efforts might have paid off during the holiday - but it doesn't appear to be the case.

I keep returning to consumer satisfaction ratings since IMO they really tell the tale of 1-800-Flowers. The lack of transaction transparency, poor customer service and disappointment with what's delivered vs what was seen are repeated themes.

They can address customer service, but the other two factors present much more of a challenge. Like the other WSs, they now see florist services as a cash cow, so they'll still have to send orders to the marginal floral operations to keep them happily purchasing all those profitable add-ons.

And I don't envision them providing consumers with the names and contact information of the local filling florists anytime soon, either.

For the current FY, it appears that flowers now represent just a bit more that 40% of their total sales. I have no idea how much of that number is florist-delivered vs drop-ship.

To those florists giving more than 35% commissions to 1-800 so they can run 20% off discounts for early ordering, I hope they consider how they'd be better off in the long-term by giving 10% across the boards to their own local customers. It's the huge discounts that garner 1-800 many local shoppers in the first place.
 
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And who is the SAVIOR that came in riding on the white horse to save their quarterly profits..................THE RETAIL FLORISTS.

CHR, where I was going with that statement is that 800FLOWERS and FTD.COM are in your face ORDERGATHERERS. 800FLOWERS is the granddaddy of them all.

Where I see the problem is that if you look at the financial staements of Bloomnet and FTD just like you look at those warehouse clubs, like Sam's Club and Costco, you will see that the largest single source of their profits is the membership fees. Just the fact that many florists belong to these groups and pay those monthly membership fees is enough for these people to make huge profits.

Just imagine what your flower shop financial statements would look at if you could charge your customers just for the privledge of being able to buy your products. You do nothing for this money, no cost of goods, no delivery, no labor, it's just money in your pocket!
 
To those florists giving more than 35% commissions to 1-800 so they can run 20% off discounts for early ordering, I hope they consider how they'd be better off in the long-term by giving 10% across the boards to their own local customers. It's the huge discounts that garner 1-800 many local shoppers in the first place.

Thats what it is all about. If your willing to give such a huge discount to 1800 flowers to help this monster stay in business why not offer something to your own customers. Promote your own business and continue to see your local customers sales increase.

Our business has easly replaced those 200 orders a month we used to get from 800 and FTD and then some in just 3 years. Why? Its not because we retained their customers. We got our own being agressive, creating our own products and marketing the heck out of Everyday Flowers and not promoting 800 flowers or FTD.
 
Our business has easly replaced those 200 orders a month we used to get from 800 and FTD and then some in just 3 years. Why? Its not because we retained their customers. We got our own being agressive, creating our own products and marketing the heck out of Everyday Flowers and not promoting 800 flowers or FTD.

and you're a great example of getting bizzy taking it back Eric.

Congrats on 5 years!

Here's ya a hug :squish:
 
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