Designing for the Camera

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CHR

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Many a florist has been disappointed after looking at the photo results of their brilliant :tongue designs. (me included)

I'm starting this thread to offer advice about designing for the camera - which is somewhat different than designing for consumers... at least for most of us. (If your design style is generally clean and crisp, you'll usually have an easier time of it.)

The challenges include:
  • Lighting. Too much and the whites look 'blown out', too little and the deep colors fade into black voids.
  • Color. Balancing color rhythmically takes practice. Advancing (warm) colors like oranges and yellows can appear to dominate an arrangement, even if used on small amounts. Receding (cool) colors can be harder to read in artificial or low light.
  • Background. Cleaner backgrounds are easier to work with. The more elements (accessories, display items, etc) the more to balance with lighting and color. A good, clean photo can often be dropped onto an environmental background with PhotoShop or other editing software.
  • Depth. The camera basically reads width and height. Perceived depth is achieved through color and lighting. We often find it necessary to remove some materials in order not to clutter the photos.
  • Texture. The shinier the materials, the tougher to photograph, IMO. Shiny textures often darken or lighten and take on more importance than they did in the original composition. Fortunately, photo editing software can usually help with this issue.
One of our FC members emailed me the photo below and asked for some tips and help. The shot on the right is a result of editing with PhotoShop Elements.

You'll note that the original shot caught background elements that you wouldn't want to appear in the finished product. The rhythm of the alstroe and dendrobs, which probably looked good to the eye, needed a bit of improving for the camera so I cloned in a few more flowers. (Even a simple angle shift of the camera can quickly distort rhythm and placement.) I also edited out the alstoe leaf draped down on the container and slightly enhanced the color.

Photo editing software, while intuitive, takes practice and experimentation. This quick edit took under five minutes but would have probably taken me an hour when I was first learning.

The shot is not print ready, but IMO the quality is good for the web...

I'm out of time this AM for further elaboration but wanted to create a starting point. Feel free to add comments, questions and/or post shots with requests for advice.

Cathy
 

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Cathy,

I'm really glad to see you've started this thread. It's vitally important, and so few designers have practical experience designing for the camera.

Keep the good stuff coming!

Ryan
 
Thank you also ... although I think not only designing for the camera, but photos in general is a great topic. I'm embarassed to show some of my bridal photos to potential brides because they look so un-polished. A very vocal bride once admonished me for not having photos, so I explained my dilemma. She came after her wedding to show me her photos of our flowers- I showed her mine and it was like two different arrangements. The lighting in ours was so poorly distributed that it made the beautiful Sophie roses, Gardenias & Steph look like they were well past their prime. She agreed, I should not show my photos! My poor photo is attached (it really was pretty IRL!)

We're ordering a light cube this month, to help with that issue, but the color issues are great to know (always knew blues & purples fade away, but never thought of it in terms of photography, just Temple & Altar arr's)

Also, I saw there are a lot of Photoshop options, any recommendations for a novice - what would do the job well, but be relatively easy to understand and learn?
good topic,
tracy
 
A suggestion for the person that submitted this photo. It looks like you have a smaller light cube (24" - 36"), but you're still better off to use the background paper that comes with the cube. It will remove lines from the background and improve the look of the lighting. Plus, you'll have a better backdrop for the image with less editing to do in each one.

Ryan
 
It looks to me that there is no front light. I have never seen a light cube but it looks like one was used with one source of light (placed right rear). What would have helped this, initially, is a fill light of same type (flash, tungsten, halogen etc.). This should give the arrangement better color and wash out the shadows and the walls of the light cube. If you want shadows for effect, you should use direct lighting without the cube. You can use two or three lights and you can diffuse them individually.

I hope that makes sense. A small how-to book on photo lighting might be of help on this, but it is still all about experimentation. Knowledge of lighting just helps to control the experiments:wallhead:

Jason
 
Tracypieface said:
Also, I saw there are a lot of Photoshop options, any recommendations for a novice - what would do the job well, but be relatively easy to understand and learn?
good topic,
tracy

The quickest way to start your project in Photoshop is to use the Auto correction features. Auto Levels, Auto Contrast and Auto Colour Balancing.

But - before you start any editing ... calibrate your monitor!! If the display is off your pictures will look silly on someone else's screen, or when printed. Photoshop comes with a calibration utility, or you may be able to find free ones on the 'net.

Ryan
 
I'm A Rookie!

This is a great topic and one I am very interested in pursuing. I am embarrassed to say that I don't have any photo experience at all and would appreciate some advice as to how to even get started! I love looking at all the photos in the gallery and would love to join the fun. The only photos I have ever taken of our designs are with disposable cameras! That should be a good laugh for all of you! I guess I've missed the boat here and would love to jump on board! Someone help get me started with the basics! You guys are out of my league!
 
hey there,

I am new here, been lurking a lot. My wife and I are in the process of buying a flowershop that she is managing for the current owners, so I am learning a lot of info here as I am a complete ZERO in this area.

I saw this thread and wanted to chime in. I am a professional photographer, and have done a few photos for her shop, obviously will be doing a lot more after we are the owners, but here is some stuff to show you. Feel free to ask for help. I do use a professional DSLR setup for these photos, but I can help you with the basics anytime. We'll trade, I will learn about flowershop business and share info on photography :)

Here are some samples:

Shop interior (amazing staircase)
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A photo I shot at the wedding they setup:
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Example of an arrangement shot:
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A more "greeting card" type of close up shot:
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There is a lot more, in my gallery HERE.
 
Infinite said:
The quickest way to start your project in Photoshop is to use the Auto correction features. Auto Levels, Auto Contrast and Auto Colour Balancing.
Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant that there seemed to be a lot of different versions of Photoshop (none of which we have, yet) ... any suggestions as to which version would be best to purchase for a Novice?
thanks again,
tracy

PS - welcome Wildflower - your photos are awesome! You'll learn plenty here, but hopefully not so much that it scares you out of the business!
 
Thanks for the welcome guys.

I suggest getting the most up to date version of Photoshop, and not light versions like Elements. Yes, PS will have a learning curve, but at least you are learning with the actual product. If you can buy an older version of PS cheap, you can then upgrade to the latest (CS2) for about $150 more. That is cheaper than buying it full. Also if you have any way to get Student discounts, that is the way to go.
 
I definitely agree with Ryan about using the auto-correct features as a starting point. They're not always perfect but that's why God created the 'undo' button.

Tracie, a couple pointers...

The shot is mostly with the bouquet in profile. In the future, see if you can angle it more to see the true center, as it would appear if held by the bride.

Plumosa and other solid dark green foliages (lemon, galax, ti leaves, leather leaf) are high contrast in primarily white bouquets and will often appear black in photos. We tend to use variegated italian pitt, variegated pitt, seeded euc, oregonia or a light ivy if foliages are needed to separate materials. Otherwise we fill/tuft with hydrangeas or QA lace to lighten the look. In your shot, I minimized the greens.

Stephanotis is tricky because it's directional. (I added pearls to several in the touch-up BTW.) The one large steph in the center could use some company so think about grouping them in twos or threes to make a stronger statement, esp in the central area. The steph just upper-left of center showed the green tape so I cloned a white petal to conceal the tape. Tilting that flower toward the camera a bit (rather than seeing it in profile) would be beneficial.

Taking bouquet shots are one of the toughest types of photos. They seem to make most sense to viewers when held by a bride but we usually don't have one hanging around at the shop when we need her. ;)

I tend to use display stands or have the bouquets help off-camera. The good news is that more and more wedding photographers will give copies of their shots as long as you credit and link to them from your site. Try and collect the name and contact info for each photographer for follow-up after the wedding. It's much easier than working so hard to get profession-looking shots on your own. :)

HTH
 

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OMG wildflower, what wonderful shots! Welcome. We couldn't ask for more perfect timing to have someone with your experience chime in.

True confession - I use PS Elements because the full-blown version is like going from bike riding to flying a plane. Most of us have little experience with digital imaging and have learned it out of necessity. For a pro like you, I'm sure it's as important a tool as a quality knife would be to us.

Is your soon-to-be-acquired shop in Northridge?
 
wildflower said:
hey there,
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I do use a professional DSLR setup for these photos, but I can help you with the basics anytime. We'll trade, I will learn about flowershop business and share info on photography :)
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Those, my new FC friend, are INCREADIABLE photos...they almost look HDR(?). The color depth and resolution is fantastic.

I only mention HDR because it has become my new pet project. Just this weekend I made my first attempt at HDR with my cheepo digital and a tripod, but because I had to touch the setup to shoot the pic and did not have a remote trigger, when PS merged the images instead of an eye-popping pic I had a big blur. Disappointing, because my plan is to start doing ALL of our arrangement photos in HDR.

If you, or anyone else, has any pointers or links to HDR stuff, please inform. We are so glad to have you here and look forward to helping you (as possible) with your new venture.
 
Mark, I shoot in RAW, so I CAN if I want to fake HDR by making 3 or more exposures from the raw file. But these are just straight one frame images. Good lighting and wireless triggered flash setup is the key, with proper diffusion.
 
wildflower said:
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Good lighting and wireless triggered flash setup is the key, with proper diffusion.
From my limited amateur photo experiences, lighting seems to be THE major factor for getting a good shot...the wrong lighting and color is wrong, shadows ruin shots, and other messy problems. And while I'm sure its only one of a long chain of things that need to be "just so" to get a good pic, it seems to be the first one that needs to be worked on.

With my new shop re-mod I have DEMANDED (can you do that to your wife??) a full-time space for my camera set-up, so I can take down all those @@@@ wire images on my site. Do you have any tips about low-cost lighting setups?
 
CHR said:
Tracie, a couple pointers...

HTH

You're hired, when can you start ;)
 
wildflower said:
hey there,

I am new here, been lurking a lot. My wife and I are in the process of buying a flowershop that she is managing for the current owners, so I am learning a lot of info here as I am a complete ZERO in this area.

I saw this thread and wanted to chime in. I am a professional photographer, and have done a few photos for her shop, obviously will be doing a lot more after we are the owners, but here is some stuff to show you. Feel free to ask for help. I do use a professional DSLR setup for these photos, but I can help you with the basics anytime. We'll trade, I will learn about flowershop business and share info on photography :)

Hi Wildflower!

Welcome aboard! Thanks for the offer to assist in photography. I will contact you for advice on how a rookie can get started. Your Gallery is awesome and I look forward to your "chiming in" at FC! Your "lurking" days have officially ended! Thanks, Ed, your kindness is appreciated.
 
12BucksFor2Dozon said:
With my new shop re-mod I have DEMANDED (can you do that to your wife??) a full-time space for my camera set-up, so I can take down all those @@@@ wire images on my site. Do you have any tips about low-cost lighting setups?

U actually dont need a full time setup in the store. It is not space effective. I use a portable setup, which I got from bhphoto.com, which includes a 3 piece frame (2 legs and a bar accross) and a background. All of the metal parts go into a very thin profile box, and the background is machine washable and the wrinkles are all removed by putting it in a dryer for about 2 min. I chose neutral gray, to make white balance correction easy (similar to using a photo card and then adjusting WB for it for those who know).

This is taken at home as I was taking pics of my nephew (not the tiger on the table :) )
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The lighting for these was pretty "ghetto", a $29.99 halogen fixture pointed at the ceiling, reflected back at the table. I would NOT recommend it for many reasons. First it messes up white balance on the camera a lot, giving you a yellow tint on everything, unless you shoot in RAW format and know how to fix it, it's a PITA. Also, the lights are VERY VERY hot and accidents do happen, and you need strong AC to not start sweating like crazy.

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And just for fun, here is the end result of that session (keep in mind, a low res web file, printed looks A LOT better):
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BTW, if you are wondering, the Aquatic-photography.com watermark I have on them is from the website I run, which is the #1 community in the world for Aquatic Photographers (which is actually my specialty and my source of photography income).
 
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