Florist Wire Order Discount Request

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clay

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Recieve an Dove wire last Thursday for a "home syle funeral basket- urn or basket for $75 + $5 delivery". We sent a nice, showy tropical arrangement in a home decor urn that we carry. Recieved a call from the sending florist today stating that the customer was not satisfied with the plant (??) we sent to the funeral home. Our sales manager nicely told her it was a real nice tropical arrangement and proceeded to read down the list of flowers on the recipe. She ended the phone conversation with if you need any more information, please feel free to call. Then received a Dove Inquiry "Customer does not feel this arranagement was of Value. Could you please give the order a discount since customer was not happy". Upon calling the florist, she stated the sympathy family recipient was "relaying this" to the florist's customer that the container and arrangement (now arrangement?) was small. The ceramic urn container was 11" tall and you know how tall and showy gingers and heliconias are. Flower shop said they gave their dissatisfied customer a discount for something she never saw, but I can see that for customer satisfaction. I was going to give the florist a $10 discount "for the cause" but that is it. What would you do?
 
$10 sounds like a good place to start. We have found that emotions run pretty high during times of sadness. And, even though you may have sent a beautiful arrangement, the sender may be looking for something to take their grief out on. Or perhaps, the sender spent more than they can afford? Whatever the reason, giving some money back is the right thing to do in order to try to satisfy. If the sending shop asks for more, try to compromise in sharing the refund with them. If that doesn't work, get the WS involved and plead your case. Tell the WS what you are willing to do. Sometimes, the WS will give a partial refund as well, if the sending shop is unwilling.

Good luck! I feel for you. Been there, done that. Luckily not often, but it is always frustrating.
 
FlowerDiva said:
$10 sounds like a good place to start. We have found that emotions run pretty high during times of sadness. And, even though you may have sent a beautiful arrangement, the sender may be looking for something to take their grief out on. Or perhaps, the sender spent more than they can afford? Whatever the reason, giving some money back is the right thing to do in order to try to satisfy. If the sending shop asks for more, try to compromise in sharing the refund with them. If that doesn't work, get the WS involved and plead your case. Tell the WS what you are willing to do. Sometimes, the WS will give a partial refund as well, if the sending shop is unwilling.

Good luck! I feel for you. Been there, done that. Luckily not often, but it is always frustrating.
Thanks. Just frustrates me that we are caught up in a situation that the flower shop's customer never saw the arrangement and that customer is getting feed back from some family member (maybe disgruntal) that first claimed it was a plant and then it was a small arrangement. OK, I vented.... now sending back the inquiry for $10 credit and see what they say or expected.
 
LOVE my digital camera. We take pics of most designers choice arrangements for just this reason! Don't have to print them unless necessary and can be emailed
 
as usual the problem began with the filling florist in sending:

Dove wire last Thursday for a "home syle funeral basket- urn or basket for $75 + $5 delivery".

What the heck is that? In our neck of the woods that could be considered several things. This is when a more specific description would be requested from us. just speaking from experience in CYA

Wouldn't it be nice if the sending florist would eat the refund since they didn't seem to care enough about their customer to sell them a more exacting arrangment so there were no surprises.

FA
 
I have thought many times to do this, but sometimes were lucky that our driver can get to where he's going on time & setting up! Just kidding, he's a real gem, but an older gentleman who isn't real savy when it comes to electronics. I will be delivering & setting up a funeral in the morning & taking photos when I'm done. Lot's of set arrangements, should be good for the photo album & website.

How 'bout this idea......

Instead of taking photos for your own CYA, for an extra fee, you can take a digital picture of the arrangement & send it via email to the sender? For birthdays, how great would it be to capture that moment when the flowers arrive? You could even time stamp the photo. Do you think $5.00 would be an adequate fee? Something to think about....... Oh no! Another project to work on! Like I don't have enough irons in the fire already! Aaaaaack!!!! Anybody currently doing this? What's your take on it and do your customers like it?
 
*Buzz* You flunked Floral Mind-Reading 101.

IMO, this problem squarely rests on the selling florist for not providing you with more details of what their customer wanted. Over the years, we've heard some pretty funny 'unwritten rules' from florists after we've filled their orders -

- don't you know that all funeral arrangements are supposed to have glads in them?
- don't you know that sunflowers in funeral work is an absolute no-no?
- don't you know that easels, ribbons and delivery are supposed to be free?

You don't know if the sender told his/her family they spent $100 (which could have been true depending on the service charges and sales tax) and that the family said 'It didn't look like a 100 bucks.'

It also sounds like the selling shop failed to explain that 'sympathy for the home' designs are generallly smaller in appearance than traditional arrangements due to the types of flowers and styles used.

To me, it's very frustrating that any business fills and delivers an appropriate order at 100% for 70% and still gets asked to further discount their services based on a poor selling/transmitting job. That florist will earn $16 in commission, plus a rebate and service charge. Why are you expected to pay for their error?

The $10 discount is your call and sometimes that's the easiest way to move forward from a problem. No doubt, complaints like this are rare - but they rot the brain and zap energy.

I believe it was Carol who said she nearly always references a selection guide picture on outgoing orders. In a case like this, a photo reference would have saved both of you the hassles.
 
Mixed results - some people don't like having their picture taken when you rouse them off the couch, or at 9AM on Saturday ... And the logistics of matching the picture to the order is a hassle.

Ryan
 
Let me see if I understand this correctly..

Clay, you received a WS order for $80 from a discription of "home style funeral basket". No color requested of specific flowers requested and you filled it to value. Now the sending florist is saying that the sender, who supposedly didn't see the arrangement, says they where dissasatified as it did not look to be of value. First of all, didn't you just give that sending florist 20% commission and another 8% to the WS who most likely will be giving it to the sending florist anyway. And now that same sending florist is asking for you to give an additional discount to "help the cause" as you say. Hold on a second. Can you show me in the florist dictonary what a "home style funeral basket" is? Does that mean you aren't supposed to use exotics or what. The point is, the seller didn't do a very good job of SELLING and now the SELLER is asking for more money because the receipent doesn't feel it was to value. How many of your customers actually know what Ginger or Helicona sells for? I think this is more the case that the receiver feels that the sender should not have spent so much money on "uncle harry" and is trying to get someone for overcharging the sender. Clay, I'm sorry, but if you did everything you were asked, then I can't imagine why the sender should feel you should give up any additonal funds. The sender can give back the $17 and they will still get the rebate money. Your call!
 
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How sure are you that the other florist

Is really given them a partial refund also. Maybe they are hoping for you to cough up the refund and they are keeping it or they are not out of money.
I would say NO since they have no clue on the value of the arr.
I hate people tryying to explain on how a arr looks like when they don't know the value and which flowers is used.

luc
 
Do you keep a list of what you use & their prices? We had a WS complain that we did not upgrade the arrangement as requested. Yeah, like $15 additional is going to wow anybody. The point is that we had a list of everything that was in the arrg. + the additional. WS dropped their complaint & we got all of our money.

Clay, as far as your problem goes, do what you feel is best. If they accept the $10 & the problem is solved, no more headaches. If they will not accept your generous offer, fight them on it! And get the WS involved, that is what you pay your dues for.

Just remember, the family who suffered the loss lives in your town. And, consider your reputation with the funeral home as well. If you offer to make amends, even though it should be the sending shop apologizing, then you look like the bigger person. Our policy is to nip it in the bud by offering to replace, within a reasonable amount of time of course. So far no complaints have been legitimate, but our reputation stays in tack. Afterall, when the customer is asked, what can they say but we cheerfully exchanged the flowers.

Of course your case is different because the person is out of town, sorry, but money talks. Some people are just looking for a fight, so be kind, be diplomatic, & do what you think you need to do.
 
FlowerDiva said:
Just remember, the family who suffered the loss lives in your town. And, consider your reputation with the funeral home as well. If you offer to make amends, even though it should be the sending shop apologizing, then you look like the bigger person.

One of the best points made. Thanks everyone.....I WILL be the bigger person. Hope to see alot of FC members at the FTD Convention.
 
Clay, did you not say the recipient was not happy with the design?
You have your facts and figures on what was sent..filled to order request and price. I think instead of giving the sending florist a discount, I would contact the recipient with the question of if they were not pleased (our 100% guarantee to the recipient) and go from there. Maybe a follow up basket of mixed seasonal flowers for their table?
Whenever I have a question on not filling for $XX, I quote from what is written down as the design is done...case closed. Filled for what our prices are..design style, etc. Actually have had problems with "designers choice-stylized design" for $100 and we did a very styled grouped design (and I did take a picture), very different and outstanding from the other work that was there. Wire in shop stated not enough for money...sent them a copy of my list of ingredients and copy of the picture.
I don't take pictures of "stock" designs...but when something is done "different as requested" I snap just in case...
 
Rhonda at work said:
Clay, did you not say the recipient was not happy with the design?
You have your facts and figures on what was sent..filled to order request and price. I think instead of giving the sending florist a discount, I would contact the recipient with the question of if they were not pleased (our 100% guarantee to the recipient) and go from there. Maybe a follow up basket of mixed seasonal flowers for their table...

I concur as I have done this myself. Oft times the recipient is totally unaware of the problems with the sender and is very happy with what they received.

V
 
CHR said:
*Buzz* You flunked Floral Mind-Reading 101.

I believe it was Carol who said she nearly always references a selection guide picture on outgoing orders. In a case like this, a photo reference would have saved both of you the hassles.

We pay for the design books so we use them alot.. a referenced picture would have solved this.. and if the sending florist is too lazy to do a better job of selling and describing what their customer wants then they should lose out on the money not you.
we got a phone order today (not sure why florist did not use the mercury??) requesting a spray from the book for $50. less than our book is priced (we do our own pricing, do not accept Ftd's low bowl prices). We said we need $50.00 to include the roses.. they said "oh that will be fine with the customer." I said..you call them first and we will hold the order til we hear back from you.
and we coded the order with this info.

the ONLY REASON a sending florist deserves a commission (and the added rebate ) is because the did all the selling and money handling of the order. soooo.. if the error is in this portion of the sale then refund is their responsiblity.
 
Being artists we take any kind of criticism to heart. And when you know you are in the right it is hard to think with a level head. But, if you have outlined policies to help combat any problems, true or false, it helps to make your life easier. We are in such an emotion driven business, unlike most. Up & down all day long. It would be the ideal if every florist thought like all of us on the FC, but face it, it is never going to happen. Design books or not. That's why we must have a plan. A plan that all employees can follow. Never should an employee of ours have to ask how to solve a problem with a customer, another florist, or the WS. It is proven that the longer you take to answer a complaint, the unhappier you will make the person. Unless, it is major, our employees are told "Don't ask, just exchange." And, of course there are exceptions to every rule, but luckily there is never any problem too big that can't be solved immediately.

Do you find yourself being a better customer? I certainly do! We tolerate so much abuse from customers telling us how to arrange the flowers they are ordering, complaining about delivery charges or tax, and my favorite... "I don't care if I'm ordering 5 minutes before you close, I want my flowers delivered by 9 am tomorrow!" I am a much better customer because of crabby customers!

Example, my husband and I were at a popular restaurant with friends in Lake Tahoe a few years back. The service was terrible! Everybody wanted to complain at that moment, but I told them not to, be patient & I will say something later so as not to cause a scene. I kept the receipt that had the server's name, the time of service, and our table number. When I got back, I emailed the manager of the establishment, told him how much we enjoyed our food & the atmosphere, however the server was not a good representation of the restaurant that evening. I outlined everything that happened & explained that I also am in a very customer oriented business & thought he should be aware just as I would like to know if one of my employees was not up to par. I told him that I did not feel it was appropriate to complain while we were there, because we did very much enjoy our dinner & the rest of the evening. The manager thanked me very much & said that it was customer's who are kind enough to be polite to let him know how their experience was, good + bad, he & the owner felt the least they could do was to send me a gift certificate for dinner for two. Wow! I could have easily told friends that yeah the food is great, the atmosphere is fun, but the service sucks. Instead, I fully endorse this restaurant because of how they handle their complaints.
 
And then there's another view

of tropicals. We would never fill an order with tropicals unless specifically asked for. I have learned something tonight in this thread. I will never again assume others think like me concerning tropicals. When I send a wire order for a "general" type arrrangement I would be shocked if tropicals were used. From now on I will be much more specific in definition of what is desired.

Now I would hope after the florist gave the $10.00 back to the customer that their customer would no longer be involved in whatever takes place between the filling florist and themselves. --------- I have had around five experiences involving FTD or TF both (whichever one we had at the time) and they took responsibility for making the filling florist happy, but NOT at MY expense. They were five times that we clearly did everything right and I would not budge on my position. The last time it was with FTD and when I was thanking the FTD employee he said "no problem, that's what your quality assurance fee is for".
 
Lady Biker Florist said:
"no problem, that's what your quality assurance fee is for".

Much to the chagrin of a few on the FC, wire services aren't so bad sometimes. I don't like the fees for the most part, but when you are in the right & need someone in your corner, you realize what you are paying for & the benefits. I don't mean any disrespect to those anti-WS, but for now it works for us. Just like anything, you've got to work it to your advantage.
 
NThe last time it was with FTD and when I was thanking the FTD employee he said "no problem said:
While it is nice to know that they use it sometimes for US I keep thinking that $20.71 x 12 = more than $240.00 and I never get back $240 thru out the year when there are problems with orders.. if this fee is like insurance then my premiumns are too high.
Until ftd fixes up the problems with bad florists and the majer OG issues I will continue to feel this 'fee' is unjustified and not used for OUR benefit but to solve problems with ftd.com orders. I believe we need to see an accounting of how this money is used..and remember there are 22,000 florists times this $240. a year (is that really $5 million?)

imho
 
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