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srowe99

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Jan 20, 2011
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Our small local flower shop decided to swtich off of our Teleflora website in Nov of last year. After talking to FSN, we decided we liked the price and the arrangments that they use. We immediately noticed our ecommerce order drop off and couldn't figure out what happened. After we did a bit of research we found out about the $4.99 service fee they were charging our customers. (I should have read through posts here first). When i called i got their standard response - the service fee is non-negototiable, and they were sure that was not what the problem was with our ecommerce orders.
In January we looked over our books and noticed that we had lost over $5000 worth of credit card orders in the month of Dec between 2009 and 2010. We decided it was time to switch off of their website. When we called to tell them we were leaving, they told me that they were going to buy a domain, link it to our website and when it started out-performing our stores website they implied they would sell the new domain to a competing flower shop. They continued to tell me that we were making a mistake and it would be the downfall of our buisness. They also tried to tell me that Google would kick us off of the internet because they had claimed our Google name with the FSN website and now were were switching.
They took our website down on a Friday mornign (9 days before Vday). On Sat morning we get an email from our domain company letting us know that they have successfully transfered the domain to another company. We did not set up the switch, or authorize it. When FSN switched our domain, they took our name off of it as an administrator and we had no way to acess our domain. I tried all weekend to get into it so that i could route the domain to our new site. No luck. Still no website.
When i called monday morning, FSN told me that we "forced" them to take down our site, and it was standard procedure to let go of a domain though a specific domain company. They told me i was rude for questioning them. Again i was told that this was going to be the downfall of our buisness and it was all our fault for daring to swtich off of their website before Valentine's day.
When i asked to speak to a manager i was told the only other person above the person i was talking to was the owner. When i asked for the owner, the person told me that they wouldn't give me that information.
We eventually got our new website up and running, but not until we lost a lot of time and headache fighting for what was ours.
I don't trust FSN. I don't like the way they do buisness. Up until we tried to switch our site, they were very plesant to deal with. But it was like we flipped a swtich when we tired to leave them. I've never been yelled at before for trying to not use a product i had paid money to own.
 
Wow, that does not sound like the experience I have had with them. I had an e-commerce site with them for a few years and when I decided to do my own, there was no quibble at all!

So you honestly think that the $4.99 service charge was causing people to not order from you? It sounds strange to me because TF, FTD, Bloomnet charge upwards of $20. Of course, they are deceitful in the way that it is couched, calling it a delivery/service fee.

Sorry you have had such a terrible time. We do have a member from fsn, maybe she will chime in.
 
I would imagine that the reason for the lower amount of orders is because FSN sites have lousy ranking...I can only find them through fsn never in the top ranking for florists, I really doubt it had much to do with the 4.99 althought some people have said they get questioned about that on their sites...

The domain thing might be that FSN owned the domain in the first place...If you owned the domain I don't think they could give it away on you...I know ftd and TF have done this with florists that didin't have their own domain...
 
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wow that really surprises me. Everyone i've ever dealt with at fsn has been polite and helpful. I too dropped their website but kept membership to be able to send. I was told I keep the domain name but I havn't followed thru with making the redirect. I need to get on it because the site was to end either today or the 16th. I did let the rep know that I was disappointed in the fee being charged to the customer. His only real reply was consumers expect to pay a service chg.
 
I can't say for sure that it was the service fee that caused the drop off in our orders. But something wasn't working. But i do know that some of our local customers who used to buy through our website stopped when we made the switch. Could have been designs, or the service fee, or something else.

We did own our domain - unfortnatley we had given them our username and pw so they could go in and set the dns when we switched to them - in retrospect, we should have set up a tech account for them to use. I guess that is something we learn as we go along.
 
I know that the major wire services charge a service fee, but most local florists do not through their website. Customers aren't used to seeing that from a local florist.
 
I can't say for sure that it was the service fee that caused the drop off in our orders. But something wasn't working. But i do know that some of our local customers who used to buy through our website stopped when we made the switch. Could have been designs, or the service fee, or something else.

We did own our domain - unfortnatley we had given them our username and pw so they could go in and set the dns when we switched to them - in retrospect, we should have set up a tech account for them to use. I guess that is something we learn as we go along.
 
I have been a member of FSN for a year and am very satisfied with the service. I have had an independent website since I quit FTD over three years ago, so I do not have any experience with a FSN website or there support services. I did own my domain name before I started using the WS service site. There was a drop off in orders when I left the WS, I attributed it to customers being familiar and trusting the FTD brand. One other thing is you may have been receiving many web orders through the WS web services rather then independently. When you leave that will curtail your orders.
 
If you owned your domain name, paid the recurring fees to register that domain name, you would have had to have signed/transferred that domain name to FSN. You should have received some kind of correspondance regarding the transfer, I would imagine. If you gave them access to your domain account, they could have possibly changed the ownership without your knowledge? Maybe Ryan can answer that question.
Is This your website?
Or This One through FSN?
According to This, the owner is Roberto Chavez.. TJ Blooms through Eflorist/Teleflora..
 
Someone from their company called us to try to get us to sign up, when my manager said no, we were sticking with TF, she said he got snotty with her, she'll never give them a second thought now.
 
both websites are ours. Roberto Chavez is the owner of the shop. We set up a new domain to route our fsn website through when we switched our main domain away from them.
 
Then you own the domain name you should want TJBlooms.com or maybe you want bellevueflowers or whatever FSN had for you but you own the first one to do with what you wish. If you wish to make an independant site, you get in contact with TF (Network Solutions, I believe is their host) to change to your own host with your new site.
 
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I figured out that we could switch the domain over after the mess with FSN - with out their help. I've learned a lot in this process about how domains, DNS's and such.
 
You are also the registrant of the tjbloomsbellevue.com so YOU own the domains...
 
You are also the registrant of the tjbloomsbellevue.com so YOU own the domains...

we bought tjbloomsbellevue after fsn threatened to buy and keep a new domain for us. I knew we owned that one. we bought it thorugh network solutions becasue that is where tjblooms.com was located. two days later, fsn transfered tjblooms.com to godaddy. I would have bought through godaddy to begin with, but was trying to keep our domains in one place.
This has been a learning experience all around. I didn't know a lot about how dns's and domains operated before - that maybe be in part what got us into some of this trouble. (i have only started working at tjblooms about 10 months ago and have taken over some of their office managment - i'm still learning a lot about how things work)
Thanks Rhonda for looking into the owner ship - i appriciate the help!
 
I have been waiting to comment in hopes that FSN might comment by way of explanation or defense.

I won't comment now on this specific case ATM, but I'll speak in generalities.
1) your domain name is one of your most valuable assets - don't let anyone monkey with it.
2) if someone has the user / pwd they can take your domain
3) I personally hate service or "convenience" fees. I won't pay them, and I did not allow them in our web site platform
4) holding domains hostage is a serious issue. It can be resolved through a lengthy process but the damage to the business and the rep of the web provider can be significant

The accusations here are serious, both in the threats and the attitude portrayed. I really hope this was just a misunderstanding as I haven't heard accusations like this against FSN before. Other companies, yes ... but not them.
 
My intent in posting our experience was not to slander FSN. But i did want to let others know the experience we have had. Up until the time we told them we had made the decision to transfer our website i had been very pleased with their customer service, and the ease of both their website and order processing. I have written a letter to the owner of FSN, Mr. Atwill, detailing my experience with his company. I did not send it in email because i have little confidence that it will make it to him. (since i couldn't even get his name from the manager i had talked to) I do hope that he is able to respond and explain if there have been any misunderstandings. I will let you know if and when i hear back from him.

I do know that i spent 30 minutes on the phone trying to find out what happened to our website, being lecutred and scolded on how almost nobody leaves their website, and how we were making the worst mistake we could make as a buisness, and being told that Google would ban us from their website because we switched sites after we claimed our name. They told me also that previous conversations we had had were recorded and they could prove to me how rude and demanding another employee (the owner) of our shop had been when she called to find out why our website was down initially. I have been taking notes of our interactions so that i don't misrepresent actual events as time passes and i try to figure out what happened. All of the website issues happened the week before Valentines day, so i knew i wouldn't have a chance to deal with it immediately.

I have learned a lot through this process and know that we won't make the same mistakes again. Our user name/pw are no longer being given out to anybody hosting our website - i take care of all the dns pointing that needs to be done. I have also become a more savy shopper when it comes to what to look for in a website host. i don't like being back on the tf website, but for now that is what is working for our shop - we need to get a few other things figured out before we can do our own site.
 
I do believe that the transfer of our domain to a new company was a misunderstanding. It may have been their standard procedure to release through a different company,but what they failed to realize was that we owned the site to begin with - they had no need to 'relase' our site to us. The timing of it all was very unfortunate - becasue the switched happened on a Sat morning, i had not way to access it until Monday. it was Friday afternoon that i realized i had the ability to go in and control our dns. I had switched it over, but then the chancge in domain hosts occured and they switched the dns back to their server. When it switched, the new new domain site had our buisness name, and their tech guys name as an administrator. I talked to the domain host and they let meknow it would take about a week to prove that i belonged to the buisness. After i talked to FSN monday mroning (as soon as they opened) they added us back as an administrator to our account. The basically took away our domain and then gave it right back to us. To clarify my stance,I do believe that it was not malicious in intent - but i also believe that they didn't pay attention to the fact that we owned our own domain and there was no reason for them to sell it to a new company. I think they did intend to put our names back on the account - again it was a lot of unfortuante timing.
But what i find most troubling what their response when i tried to find out what was going on.