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Picked up on the wires this morning

United Online (UNTD) disclosed in an 8-K filing with the SEC that it is cutting about 50 employees in the Downers Grove, Illinois unit of its FTD online flower retailing unit. The company said the positions eliminated are under 5% of FTD’s global workforce, and reflects its previous forecast for a decline in FTD’s revenues in 2009 due to the economic downturn.
 
my girl from ftd told me this morning....she said the people all had 7-10 yrs in with the company...
 
same here

Well, at least they are finally admitting what all of us have been living for the last few months.

I kept hearing positive spin from the big 3, but the words didn't match up with the signs that we are seeing.

Our Valentine's survey (attached) showed that relay florists across the board in the UK reported a 50% DROP in orders compared to 77% fo florists saying they either stayed constant or saw a rise in local sales. Methinks all wire services are hurting and no amount of fluff will change that.
 

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I find that odd as I just saw an ad on Craigslist for them....
 
Our Valentine's survey (attached) showed that relay florists across the board in the UK reported a 50% DROP in orders compared to 77% fo florists saying they either stayed constant or saw a rise in local sales. Methinks all wire services are hurting and no amount of fluff will change that.

How could that be possible? It makes little sense if "relay florists" are seeing 50% drop and local florists are seeing sales increase.

I've seen similar results in one of our magazines, in which most florists reported flat sale for VD and the rest equally split between decrease and increase. So overall, you could say the majority was either same or better than the last year.

Frankly, I don't believe that all. Just not possible, and I'm not blind.

We were slightly off this VD, the result which I thought was a spectacular success, considering that our local wholesalers were reporting 30-40% drop in our area. I think florists are fooling themselves just because it's too painful to face the truth.

Anyway, I'm not disputing the integrity of your survey. I'm simply suspicious of any self-claimed numbers from the business owners, many of whom don't even look at numbers regularly. They would say "we did well" all the time, not because they knew the numbers, but because that's what they want to feel.
 
I don't think it's surprising at all that individual flower shops had either the same as last year's Valentines or even a slight growth.
My sales were up from last year simply because I decided to try Adwords to improve my SEO.
More and more florists are spending a bit more time on trying to improve their local search results which means more customers are finding them directly which eliminates the need for a wire service.
As more customers realize they loose value by going through a wire service they will try to find a truly local florist and order through them. Also with toll free numbers they can talk directly to you and have a personal contact experience and ask for any special requests they have rather than talking to some remote agent at a wire service call center.
I hope the trend continues since the reason that wire services came to exist is no longer relevant .
 
I hope the trend continues since the reason that wire services came to exist is no longer relevant .

Sorry, I don't really agree. While the internet does encourage lots of people to go local or find a place themselves, lots of people still want the ease of ordering associated with the wire services. That's why people still use FTD/tele/800 dot com. Despite the large number of complaints, it's easy ordering and complaint resolution isn't that bad.
 
I don't think it's surprising at all that individual flower shops had either the same as last year's Valentines or even a slight growth.
My sales were up from last year simply because I decided to try Adwords to improve my SEO.

It's not strange that each individual small shop does well. But by aggregates (say, several hundreds shops combined), the numbers will follow the statistics of overall industry.

Same goes for a larger shop; it's almost impossible for them to insulate their business from economic down turn, no matter what they do.

Here's the hard facts I know.

Our local wholesalers were reporting 30-40% drop in sales in our area. For VD, specifically, they were saying almost 50% drop in prebook. They had absolutely no incentive to downplay their numbers.

WS companies were reporting, on average, 15% drop for Christmas. I don't know the figures for VD yet, but I would be surprised if the numbers become better for VD. Saturday VD + worsening recession - no chance.

So overall, it is impossible for me to believe that, as aggregates, most independent florists saw flat or increased sales in VD, as has been reported.

Florist Review often publishes various survey results. Every time I see it, I just scratch my head, because it doesn't make sense.

People lie in surveys. That's known.

The most famous example is: how ethical are you? - To this question, the majority answers "more ethical than average."
 
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It's not strange that each individual small shop does well. But by aggregates (say, several hundreds shops combined), the numbers will follow the statistics of overall industry.

Same goes for a larger shop; it's almost impossible for them to insulate their business from economic down turn, no matter what they do.

Here's the hard facts I know.

Our local wholesalers were reporting 30-40% drop in sales in our area. For VD, specifically, they were saying almost 50% drop in prebook. They had absolutely no incentive to downplay their numbers.

WS companies were reporting, on average, 15% drop for Christmas. I don't know the figures for VD yet, but I would be surprised if the numbers become better for VD. Saturday VD + worsening recession - no chance.

So overall, it is impossible for me to believe that, as aggregates, most independent florists saw flat or increased sales in VD, as has been reported.

Florist Review often publishes various survey results. Every time I see it, I just scratch my head, because it doesn't make sense.

People lie in surveys. That's known.

The most famous example is: how ethical are you? - To this question, the majority answers "more ethical than average."

And, Goldfish, I am am far more ethical than the average because I have to be ... I cannot afford to get things wrong and unlike many journalists will spend many hours researching/checking and verifying facts before going to print.

Therefore, rightly or wrongly, I take exception to the suggestion (even if you say you aren't) that our figures are incorrect or in some way fudged/massaged or that UK florists don't know what they are talking about. That is a generalisation that is insulting and - given your many intelligent comments - beneath you.

I am very comfortable with my figures (I assume you have read the whole article which I uploaded) because knowing my UK market as well as I do and the florists who answered as well as I do, and having spoken to ALL sectors of the industry, I can quite understand and accept that relay/wire in orders were down - as indeed were supermarket and mass marketeers - and that local/direct to florist sales were either on a par or up. Indeed in the UK the florist sector openly admitted that it was much better than they feared.

It may sound unusual but my readers/clients don't need to lie to me ... they know that I keep their confidences where necessary and that's why we enjoy such a high degree of florist/client input and support to all our projects.

I don't know you ... all I can learn about you is from your website and through your posts. What I do know is that you obviously have strong views on how you think things should be done based on what is happening in your shop, I have my views based on a lot of talking to the industry as a whole. To just slate/question another persons opinion or facts is a tad unprofessional in my humble opinion.

Caroline
 
I was up 25% on last feb, just thought i would throw that in. Had one relay order in total for valentines so i am sure that had nothing to do with the increase in sales.
 
Therefore, rightly or wrongly, I take exception to the suggestion (even if you say you aren't) that our figures are incorrect or in some way fudged/massaged or that UK florists don't know what they are talking about. That is a generalisation that is insulting and - given your many intelligent comments - beneath you.

It has nothing to do with your ethics, which I don't doubt. It has a lot to do with how the survey was conducted. You can be as ethical as you are, but still can be erroneous.

If the ethics was the standard for the accuracy of survey, then all the pollsters' data should never be questioned. It would be "insulting" (your words) to do so, and anyone who questions its accuracy would have to be labeled "beneath you" (your words too).

Please...

Accuracy can be questioned, irrespective of the intent of the publisher. I'm sure you understand this now. I understand it's upsetting to see someone questioning the accuracy of your publication, but what can I do? Should just keep quiet?

Yes I read your article entirely. And it doesn't make sense. I belive your survey is flawed, as many of these surveys are. They make interesting reading, but have no scientific basis, IMO.

There are at least two flaws as far as I can see.

First according to your article, only 14.2% of respondents answered to your survey. This is a red flag here. 85.8% of those whom you contacted didn't respond.

Accuracy of a survey critically depends on 'randomness' of sampling. A very low response rate breaks this rule.

When the response is low, there is a real danger that the sampling is no longer random. That's because your data is based on the responses from only those who wanted to respond.

Then the question becomes this. Is it possible that those who had a good number was more willing to respond, compared to those who had terrible numbers?

I would say it's quite possible, even plausible. If you have no data showing otherwise, at least you might want to call your readers' attention to the fact that your data might be very selective.

Secondly, the numbers themselves do not add up. Here's why.

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Of the 293 florists who belonged to a relay company, a massive 49% of you reported a drop in your incoming orders with only 10% reporting uplift. Conversely 33% of you reported an increase in your local order, 23% said they were down and 44% said local orders were about the same.

First I object to the use of word like "massive" to emphasize the drop of incoming orders. In fact, similar 44%, according to this data, didn't see any increase of local orders. You didn't call it "massive." This is a selective use of word to emphasize only a certain aspect of the data, not not the other.

I don't know what exactly your questions were in the poll. However, in the article, you refer to only three categories: "about the same" "increase" "drop".

"About the same" is a tricky one, unless your survey qualifies it. Some people think that, considering the bad economy, 7% decline can be seen as "about the same."

So in this 44% of respondents who said "about the same", I don't know how many were actually seeing decline or increase and by what degree. It's all lumped together.

But let's say half of them saw increase and half saw decrease. Then, what your survey actually saw is 45% - down (22% + 23%) and 55% (22% + 33%) up. Within a margin of error, it's basically saying half was up and half was down. A far less impressive than your original claim that >75% said same or up.

Even this picture (half down, half up) would not be consistent with the other poll saying they saw 50% drop in sales in incoming orders.

You could reconcile these two conflicting data by assuming the two markets, relay orders and local orders, are independent of each other. I concede that this is possible. How do I know about UK market. At least here, however, I know that local markets and incoming orders move in the same direction, although the actual degree of shift can be different. They rarely move to the opposite directions, which is your main claim.

So, that's what I think.

Finally, it's unfortunate that you took my critique personally. It never was intended to be an insult. That's all I can say.
 
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Here's a basic info on how surveys should be conducted and how we can trust them.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/survey/index.jsp?id=trust

I quote:

Many people are understandably suspicious of poll results. Unless you know that a survey is done scientifically, there is cause to doubt the results. Sample selection and type of questions are two cues.
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Representative samples must be selected carefully and without bias. For example, samples made up of self-selected responders, such as people who participate in a survey or poll by calling an 800 number, are almost certainly biased samples.
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The phrasing of questions in surveys is also important. One can be reasonably sure a survey is not scientific if questions are biased -
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Respondents also tend to choose the first option from a list and to answer as they think they “should” rather than telling the unvarnished truth. Scientific surveys are designed to minimize and account for these known tendencies
(snip)
Randomly selected samples and objective questions are two principal elements in a scientific survey. By paying attention to these factors, survey takers and consumers can learn to recognize a survey as scientific—or not.
 
It has nothing to do with your ethics, which I don't doubt. It has a lot to do with how the survey was conducted. You can be as ethical as you are, but still can be erroneous. .............. Finally, it's unfortunate that you took my critique personally. It never was intended to be an insult. That's all I can say.

Gosh ... well at least I know you read it all!!!

Thank you for taking the time to read and explain your views in more depth which I accept you didn't mean as an insult. I can't give the whole survey out as we don't do that anymore than we sell our data base.

However I shall read your comments carefully and study the link you kindly sent and see how our overviews in future can explain/justify in more detail what the surveys produce without breaking confidences.
Kind regards,

Carrington
 
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Thank you for taking the time to read and explain your views in more depth which I accept you didn't mean as an insult. I can't give the whole survey out as we don't do that anymore than we sell our data base.

However I shall read your comments carefully and study the link you kindly sent and see how our overviews in future can explain/justify in more detail what the surveys produce without breaking confidences.
Kind regards,

Thank you.:blowkiss:

P.S. Statistics is part of my former training, so I get nervous whenever I see non-scientific statistics, just the same way I'm sure you would feel wheneer you saw a flower "arrangement" made by a person with no training.
 
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