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victoriamary

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For those of us who are in WS system commitments, read that old shop, newer owners, can we use this thread to give constructive tips on "how to make a wire service work and USE them to our benefit". (from another thread).

I'd love to see short and sweet but specific "how to's" beyond watch the fees, product, etc. Please make the assumption that we have a reasonable number of out-going order needs, are in the process of terminating one wire service, and receive a fair number of incomings for our immediate market area, both residential and corporate.

Not trying to make this a redundant thread of the same stuff said before, but hoping for a compilation of do's and don'ts we all can print out and have handy as a reference guide. In other words, some of us are in the dance...so let's make it a good dance!

There is much collective wisdom here and I appreciate your wonderful help!

Thanks a bunch...of daisies!

Victoriamary
 
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I like your idea, it seems allot of heated debates about this topic . I will speak only for myself and my conclusions thus far. I have only been With WS for five months,WS is not working for me .I provide the labor flowers and delivery service to make profits for the WS . My two cents as a novice florist (not expert advice).
In Hind Sight I would :
1. Only fill orders $50+
2.Concider the time it will take to resolve issues that takes you away from normal shop activity.
3.I only wish I would have been able to find FC prior to my decision.
 
Watch your ad purchasing and extra listings, they add up quick.

Watch your product buying, most of it is very over priced and very specific to a holiday and hard to sell next year. If you aren't selling it do not buy it!!!!!!

Watch your co-op ads. Do it once to see the response with the coupons.

Watch your item specific charges. You can make generic orders to value and make money on each, when you get a book specific arrangement make sure it has been given to you with msrp plus delivery. So many florists guess at the prices and are way off. Make sure you call them and tell them you cannot possibly do the arrangement for the price they quoted and that it will be filled smaller or rejected, which ever you choose. The latter is probably better for obvious repercussions.

Be vigilent on counting the flowers that go into every arrangement that is made, especially WS orders. You do not make your full money on these orders so stuffing really hurts here.

Make sure you go over your statement with a fine tooth comb every month. There are a lot of mistakes and surprise fees that they hope you do not catch. Inquire about everything that you do not know why you are being charged. They get you for 20bucks here and 30 dollars there for stuff you don't even know about. Keep on your toes.

Hope this helps.
 
Why $50.00 plus for a minimum?

Don't you ever get customers who feel the need for a single rose in a bud vase, or who want a "little something for a grand child?"??? I think un-realistic minimum pricing turns a lot of potential customers away from our product PERMANENTLY! Sometimes the purchaser just happens to be in the wrong place in our mobile society, and we discourage them even considering our business. If you can't sell a single rose for $7.98 plus the real delivery cost to fill the need at that special occasion something is wrong!:soapbox:
 
I had considered . . . .

Sending without a service charge and making that a BIG deal in our advertising.

Send Flowers Worldwide - *The Only Florist In Town with NO SERVICE FEE

Stand out in the crowd. Make it our Niche. Take advantage of the better side of the WS.

I added the * for a disclaimer stating "as far as we know".


Just one idea from "what happened to spring?" Alabama (near 90 yesterday).
 
Don't you ever get customers who feel the need for a single rose in a bud vase, or who want a "little something for a grand child?"??? I think un-realistic minimum pricing turns a lot of potential customers away from our product PERMANENTLY! Sometimes the purchaser just happens to be in the wrong place in our mobile society, and we discourage them even considering our business. If you can't sell a single rose for $7.98 plus the real delivery cost to fill the need at that special occasion something is wrong!:soapbox:
CLARK IS SO RIGHT!!! Even if you have to go up to $10.00 plus your delivery fee... this one issue has discouraged so many customers. We do a true simplicity vase for $15.00 and we sell lots of them. There doesn't have to be many flowers..we just need to take back the gift industry instead of closing ourselves out of it. Flowers used to be the first thought of gift..now they are too expensive and they don't have to be..come up with a cute, quick small item that you can make a little profit on.. add a fair delivery charge.
 
Suggestions

1. Eliminate all wire services beyond 1.

2. List yourself only in your town. Eliminate all "also served by, etc" extra listings. (One florist we helped recently was incurring over $400.00/mo in also served by listings).

3. Advertise with the nationals on a very limited, if any, basis. Every ad in the Parade magazine costs approximately $150. per insertion. Are you getting at least 3 or 4 orders (locally) to cover the cost of the ad for the products they feature? (We have also not found it valuable to advertise in the Brides magazine or the coupon section of the paper. YOu can still accept all coupons & redeem them......but you do not have to advertise with FTD or TF to do so.

4. When the wire services offer 3 to 4 to 8 different holiday containers, resist the urge to stock up!! Most consumers (our experience, at least) want their money in flowers, not in over-priced fancy, keepsake containers.
Can you make the same arrangement for them in a similar container??
Can you split a case of containers with another shop if "it something you "must have"".

5. If you really must have a keepsake container, check out the Dollar Stores for last year's item.....they are often there & readily available, and bargain basement priced.

6. Check each order as it comes over to you from the wires. If it is not enough money, send a request for price change immediately, or "please cancel this order". If they cancel, confirm the cancellation. DO NOT REJECT THE ORDER, BECAUSE THIS COSTS YOU MONEY! (FTD & TF).

6a. As you check each order & the pricing, make sure to ask for additional delivery charges if what they have given you is not enough. Be aggressive in this area.....with the rising price of fuel, none of us can afford to deliver for free!

7. Pay your statement on time. If you are late in payment, you are charged a late fee, and you miss any sending rebates you may be entitled to.

8. If you buy codified containers (for one of the holidays) buy AFTER the codification deadline, so that you are have the container to use for your local customers, but are not wasting time filling discounted orders for HQTERS.

9. Report all phoned in orders promptly so that you get paid promptly. (you would be amazed how many shops fail to report orders each month). When it is FTD or TF HTQRS calling, we do NOT accept a phone order, it must be merc'd or doved to us. (Paper trail & all that stuff, you know!!).

10. Check your statement each month, and make sure that all orders sent outbound by your shop were actually your orders sent. With computers, and orders bouncing from shop to shop, we have found times that we have been double or triple charged for one order.....it can be fixed, you just have to catch it, and then report it.

11. Call about every line item charge that you do not understand. If you did not authorize it, get it removed.

12. If you have a wire service web site, consider moving it to an outside vendor that is not a wire service. There are many good ones out there.....and there are by far less expensive that the wire services!!

13. When filling wire service arrangements, be very diligent in filling to the content required -- and not a drop more, unless you have extra money given with the order. Some of the receipes given are very skimpy, and lots of designers have a desire to "stuff" in order to make it look better! cost of goods can go up very quickly, and all your money is eaten up!

14. Calendars, advertising materials, etc can be obtained from other sources other than a wire service. Search out other vendors!

Hope this helps!

Cheryl
 
Evening Cheryl,

Every small shop & new shop should print out what you have provided here,,,
and live by it.
What you have stated is gospel and should not be taken lightly.

As someone that has seen the ups, downs and upside-downs, and still do,
everyday, I have the highest regard for your commitment and dedication to helping others.
You, like numerous others here at FC, are the mortar in that brick and mortar, because without you, and those that care, (as you all do ), so many would fall victim to a system that would chew them up and spit them out.

On behalf of everyone that wants to live this dream,
I don't think that I would be out of line,
saying, Thank You !

ManorMan
Kevin
 
Thank you all! This thread is going exactly where I hoped it would go...short, sweet, simple advice to make it all work. I'd love to see it go a step further with other helpful suggestions to run a flower shop, like a business, serving our customers with compassion and professionalism.

As for the less expensive orders....we have a rule: For our direct customers, we'll do what they want and will deliver it for our normal delivery charge. If a customer wants a single rose delivered and will pay the normal delivery fee, we do it! Chances are we're already making another delivery nearby so it all works in the route. Minimums are for incoming wire orders, in my opinion. I recently had a customer that wanted a smallish $25 order, plus delivery. We did it with a smile and inside of a month she called back and did 3 more just like it = $100 plus 4 delivery fees...I think that works! And she said she'll be back again!

I agree there is so much collective wisdom here added to the willingness to help others...it's a winning combination. It is so helpful, especially to those of us newer to the flower business (and some with little orientation/training from prior owners).

Thanks again...looking forward to more!

Victoriamary
 
Don't you ever get customers who feel the need for a single rose in a bud vase, or who want a "little something for a grand child?"??? I think un-realistic minimum pricing turns a lot of potential customers away from our product PERMANENTLY! Sometimes the purchaser just happens to be in the wrong place in our mobile society, and we discourage them even considering our business. If you can't sell a single rose for $7.98 plus the real delivery cost to fill the need at that special occasion something is wrong!:soapbox:

Clark: this is a very good point.

A rose bud vase should be part of the wire service program. If not, a simple florist to florist transaction would work even better.

We all get these orders from time to time and it is a real pain to tell the customer that a single rose in a bud vase is going to cost them $30. This is a disservice!

We can all make money sending a single rose in a bud vase for $15 even with a 20 pct commission paid to the sending florist, if needed. This assumes your own employees will deliver and it is local. A delivery pool fee may make this type of order prohibitive.

Joe
 
Clark: this is a very good point.

A rose bud vase should be part of the wire service program. If not, a simple florist to florist transaction would work even better.

We all get these orders from time to time and it is a real pain to tell the customer that a single rose in a bud vase is going to cost them $30. This is a disservice!

We can all make money sending a single rose in a bud vase for $15 even with a 20 pct commission paid to the sending florist, if needed. This assumes your own employees will deliver and it is local. A delivery pool fee may make this type of order prohibitive.

Joe

Have gotten ridiculous amounts of money for orders like these.
Usually wind up doing more!
Got many customers from fair treatment.

ManorMan
Kevin
 
Kevin:
Like Mark Smith says, it's called "paying it forward!" I am always here, and will try to help whenever I can....Both here at FC and elsewhere. If we don't help each other every day, then we are nothing.

Glad you thought it was good advice.

Regards,

Cheryl
 
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