Independence Day
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don't know what kind of answer you are looking for but here:
the Declaration of Independence was first signed by John Hancock on July4, 1776. (yes, I forgot to add the rest signed it in August)
Then The Treaty of Paris was signed on Sept 3, 1783, which is a document stating that Great Britain recognized our independence.
Then the Constitution of the United States of America was signed on Sept.17 1787.
There are 50 states.
Our flag (Old Glory) is red white and blue, a reflection of England flag.
there are 50 white stars on the flag representing our 50 states with a blue background. And 13 red and white stripes representing the 13 original colonies.
Our national anthem is The Star Spangled Banner. (I know all the words by heart) was written by Francis Scott Key in 1814. was actually new words written to an old song called "To Anacreon in Heaven". However the Star Spangled Banner didn't become our official nation anthem until 1931.
Our national bird is the Bald Eagle. Ben Franklin wanted it to be the wild turkey
When quarters (25 cent pieces for you non Americans) are minted on the side that has the eagle...... The Eagle holds in it's talons arrows and olive branches.....
During actual war times (not "conflicts" such as Viet Nam or the current situation we are in) When the quarters are minted the eagle face is pointed toward the Arrows. During peace, the olive branch.
Our first president was George Washington. A wooden teeth wearing, slave owning, and pot smoking guy. BTW, he didn't want the job.
He was quite the badass. You didn't want to mess with George.
the Declaration of Independence was first signed by John Hancock on July4, 1776. (yes, I forgot to add the rest signed it in August)
Then The Treaty of Paris was signed on Sept 3, 1783, which is a document stating that Great Britain recognized our independence.
Then the Constitution of the United States of America was signed on Sept.17 1787.
There are 50 states.
Our flag (Old Glory) is red white and blue, a reflection of England flag.
there are 50 white stars on the flag representing our 50 states with a blue background. And 13 red and white stripes representing the 13 original colonies.
Our national anthem is The Star Spangled Banner. (I know all the words by heart) was written by Francis Scott Key in 1814. was actually new words written to an old song called "To Anacreon in Heaven". However the Star Spangled Banner didn't become our official nation anthem until 1931.
Our national bird is the Bald Eagle. Ben Franklin wanted it to be the wild turkey
When quarters (25 cent pieces for you non Americans) are minted on the side that has the eagle...... The Eagle holds in it's talons arrows and olive branches.....
During actual war times (not "conflicts" such as Viet Nam or the current situation we are in) When the quarters are minted the eagle face is pointed toward the Arrows. During peace, the olive branch.
Our first president was George Washington. A wooden teeth wearing, slave owning, and pot smoking guy. BTW, he didn't want the job.
He was quite the badass. You didn't want to mess with George.
LJVF
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I remember something about this in school. I want to say that the deal wasn't sealed until a later month when most of them signed the Declaration of Independence. I want to say August something 1776?
LJVF
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I think this may be a key to the answer bloomz wants, it was FIRST signed by John Hancock on July 4th, 1176. When and whom was it LAST signed? As I said before it was a later month.
Nope Carla (An Aussie by the way) came closest - I think the date is somewhere around 1782 - 1776 is when we DECLARED Independence, but then we had some sh1t to do.
The war of 1812 has me a bit confused, tho...
But most people seem to think or confuse declaring Independence with actually getting it.
And yes it was actually signed on August 2, 1776, or so I have read.
For me it's a kind of metaphor for stating one is changing their life and actually taking the steps necessary to do so.
The war of 1812 has me a bit confused, tho...
But most people seem to think or confuse declaring Independence with actually getting it.
And yes it was actually signed on August 2, 1776, or so I have read.
For me it's a kind of metaphor for stating one is changing their life and actually taking the steps necessary to do so.
So - is it like the closest to the pin wins?? - what do I get???/
My take on the whole thing is that the signing of the Declaration was only INTENT to form independance....
The War was still being fought for years to come British forces temporarily surrended in 1781, but there was still fighting...
British forces finally retreated and left 1784 - So to me THIS is when the whole thing became official.
SO - You wants to hear about My country now???? - Yes, I have way too much time on my hands at the moment..... Hubby is away, so Karla gets boring....
My take on the whole thing is that the signing of the Declaration was only INTENT to form independance....
The War was still being fought for years to come British forces temporarily surrended in 1781, but there was still fighting...
British forces finally retreated and left 1784 - So to me THIS is when the whole thing became official.
SO - You wants to hear about My country now???? - Yes, I have way too much time on my hands at the moment..... Hubby is away, so Karla gets boring....
Doug Hatcher
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W.t.f.
You mean I am not going to get the definitive answer to this question?
How can I keep stuffing my head with Trivia that I amaze friends and family with if you do not give me the answer. I deliberately did not look this up because I wanted to add more knowledge without doing anything. I am voracious for vicarious knowledge.
I feel like going and dumping some tea in a harbour or something like that, or ride around the 'hood' yelling "the answer is coming, the answer is coming".
The real answer please!
Doug
You mean I am not going to get the definitive answer to this question?
How can I keep stuffing my head with Trivia that I amaze friends and family with if you do not give me the answer. I deliberately did not look this up because I wanted to add more knowledge without doing anything. I am voracious for vicarious knowledge.
I feel like going and dumping some tea in a harbour or something like that, or ride around the 'hood' yelling "the answer is coming, the answer is coming".
The real answer please!
Doug
What the hell do you mean "YOU THINK?"
If your going to give out buzzes and prizes and try to school us all on US history,
"I think" doesn't cut it.
Some read books and some Google information.
The actual start of our movement for Independence was started with the Boston Tea party over unfair taxes on Tea.
The start of a movement for a Free America was the assembly of the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia. During the meeting they set forth an additional meeting for a second session if their demands were not met. This made an unalterable step in the direction for Independence. The second continental congress actually raised and army in June of 1775 with George Washington elected to lead it.
As most of us know, ONLY Congress can declare war these day. This was why the continental congress led to this precedent because of the positive effects. Therefore it took Congress to pass the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, 1776 for this to formally happen. Since there was no formal government, when, who, and where this document was signed was only for means of showing the genius of men who were supporting this, because news traveled slow, and having it signed by the most respected men and families at the time, garned much need support from the then British subjects.
On Feb 3rd, 1783 the treaty, which was negotiated by John Jay, John Adams, and Ben Franklin. This formally recognized out independence from England by our allies and the British.
The actual start of our movement for Independence was started with the Boston Tea party over unfair taxes on Tea.
The start of a movement for a Free America was the assembly of the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia. During the meeting they set forth an additional meeting for a second session if their demands were not met. This made an unalterable step in the direction for Independence. The second continental congress actually raised and army in June of 1775 with George Washington elected to lead it.
As most of us know, ONLY Congress can declare war these day. This was why the continental congress led to this precedent because of the positive effects. Therefore it took Congress to pass the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, 1776 for this to formally happen. Since there was no formal government, when, who, and where this document was signed was only for means of showing the genius of men who were supporting this, because news traveled slow, and having it signed by the most respected men and families at the time, garned much need support from the then British subjects.
On Feb 3rd, 1783 the treaty, which was negotiated by John Jay, John Adams, and Ben Franklin. This formally recognized out independence from England by our allies and the British.
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All depends upon THE BEGINNING or THE END
The American Revolution First War for Independence
If we're talking THE BEGINNING, the official date is July 4th, 1776.
"On 07 June 1776 delegate Richard Henry Lee of Virginia proposed a resolution for independence. The resolution was not approved immediately. Declaring independence was an extremely serious step. Signing such a document would make delegates to the Continental Congress traitors to Britain. The Continental Congress approved a declaration condemning everything the British had done since 1763. Thomas Jefferson was chosen to write a document explaining why the colonies should be free from British rule. On July 4, 1776 the Declaration of Independence was adopted by the Congress."
If we're talking THE END, the offical date is October 17, 1781.
"What Cornwallis did not know was that French ships were on their way to Yorktown, too. Their commander was Admiral Francois Comte de Grasse. De Grasse met some of the British ships that Cornwallis was expecting, and he defeated them. The French ships then moved into the Chesapeake Bay, near Yorktown. The Americans and the French began attacking with cannons. Then they fought the British soldiers and-to-hand. Cornwallis knew he had no chance to win without more troops. He surrendered to George Washington on 17 October 1781.
The war was over. American and French forces had captured or killed one-half of the British troops in America. The surviving British troops left Yorktown playing a popular British song called, "The World Turned Upside Down."
Also, and just as interesting were the LOYALISTS to the CROWN
By July 4, 1776 the American Revolutionaries had gained control of virtually all territory in the 13 States by violently suppressing the Loyalists, demanding that they all give up their loyalty to the King. Those who refused to do so ran the risk of being tarred and feathered, (which often killed the loyalists) as a deterrent to others. Neutrality was not permitted. Those that were still determined to remain loyal contributed to the war by giving aid and volunteering to fight with the British army.
The British had been forced out of New York in March 1776 but they returned in August to convincingly defeat the Revolutionary army at Long Island and in doing so, captured New York City and its vicinity, where they remained until 1783. From time to time they also regained control of other cities such as Philadelphia (1777), Savannah (1778) and Charleston (1780), together with various slices of countryside. However, 90% of the population lived outside the cities. The result was that the wishes of the Revolutionary government dominated 80% of the population. The British pulled out their governors from where the Revolutionaries were controlling by martial law. But Loyalist civilian government was re-established in coastal Georgia 1779, although the Revolutionaries still controlled some of the upstate. Elsewhere, the British were only able to maintain normality where they had sufficient army presence and Royal Navy activity.
Amazing that, New York City was one of their last bastiones up and until 1783.
The American Revolution First War for Independence
If we're talking THE BEGINNING, the official date is July 4th, 1776.
"On 07 June 1776 delegate Richard Henry Lee of Virginia proposed a resolution for independence. The resolution was not approved immediately. Declaring independence was an extremely serious step. Signing such a document would make delegates to the Continental Congress traitors to Britain. The Continental Congress approved a declaration condemning everything the British had done since 1763. Thomas Jefferson was chosen to write a document explaining why the colonies should be free from British rule. On July 4, 1776 the Declaration of Independence was adopted by the Congress."
If we're talking THE END, the offical date is October 17, 1781.
"What Cornwallis did not know was that French ships were on their way to Yorktown, too. Their commander was Admiral Francois Comte de Grasse. De Grasse met some of the British ships that Cornwallis was expecting, and he defeated them. The French ships then moved into the Chesapeake Bay, near Yorktown. The Americans and the French began attacking with cannons. Then they fought the British soldiers and-to-hand. Cornwallis knew he had no chance to win without more troops. He surrendered to George Washington on 17 October 1781.
The war was over. American and French forces had captured or killed one-half of the British troops in America. The surviving British troops left Yorktown playing a popular British song called, "The World Turned Upside Down."
Also, and just as interesting were the LOYALISTS to the CROWN
By July 4, 1776 the American Revolutionaries had gained control of virtually all territory in the 13 States by violently suppressing the Loyalists, demanding that they all give up their loyalty to the King. Those who refused to do so ran the risk of being tarred and feathered, (which often killed the loyalists) as a deterrent to others. Neutrality was not permitted. Those that were still determined to remain loyal contributed to the war by giving aid and volunteering to fight with the British army.
The British had been forced out of New York in March 1776 but they returned in August to convincingly defeat the Revolutionary army at Long Island and in doing so, captured New York City and its vicinity, where they remained until 1783. From time to time they also regained control of other cities such as Philadelphia (1777), Savannah (1778) and Charleston (1780), together with various slices of countryside. However, 90% of the population lived outside the cities. The result was that the wishes of the Revolutionary government dominated 80% of the population. The British pulled out their governors from where the Revolutionaries were controlling by martial law. But Loyalist civilian government was re-established in coastal Georgia 1779, although the Revolutionaries still controlled some of the upstate. Elsewhere, the British were only able to maintain normality where they had sufficient army presence and Royal Navy activity.
Amazing that, New York City was one of their last bastiones up and until 1783.
Yes "I think" was my answer - I was trying to learn it and I also "think" Hero gave the true answer.
But it was a loaded question, my entire point was the difference between Declaring Independence and achieving it.
So I got to learn too.
Good Job Hero - :yourock:
He gets "Smartest person on flower chat" for that particular 10 minute period.
Hey - we do have to take turns ya know.
But it was a loaded question, my entire point was the difference between Declaring Independence and achieving it.
So I got to learn too.
Good Job Hero - :yourock:
He gets "Smartest person on flower chat" for that particular 10 minute period.
Hey - we do have to take turns ya know.
Well, it wasn't until Sept 3, 1783, when Great Britan SIGNED The Treaty of Paris, thus saying, "OK, you are free from us and our rule".
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