i've always been a big fan of FSN but

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I'm really questioning if it's monitarily beneficial for my business.
I thought this would be a way to have an e-commerse website without the respondsiblity of security and still be able to send and receive orders without a wireservice.
the annual fee was a few pennies under 700.00 plus 3.99 per order sent

I sent a total of 191 orders valued at 11,530.00 (which is put on my credit card immediately) average of 16 orders a month
profit = 1543.00 + 382.00 relay

I'm really disappointed in total number recieved
55 orders at a total of 3350.00 and of those orders only 8 came from other florists!

When speaking with a favored florist in a neighboring town that is ftd and fsn she made a point of saying that they don't really send anything fsn because ftd #'s looked better to the bank and she didn't want anything more on her credit card?

I really want to take the leap to my own e-commerse website with Ryan but am afraid it won't increase incoming orders more than this.
 
Jenifer,

You raise some good questions and you have done your homework on your numbers but can I ask if you know how many more orders come in on the phone from your website? That should be a consideration too, as many people will first look at my website and then call in what they want.

For me, when I went to Strider, I dropped my fsn website but still keep them for sending out orders and it is a pretty good link to my website, too. I think it is $300 annually so really not much more than most of the paid listings for flower shops.

Do you have extra city listings? I have found that there are not a whole lot of people who want to send flowers to West Saint Paul, which of course is what I'm listed as. Even people who DO want to send flowers to my city will shorten it to St. Paul or even Minneapolis. That broadens the competition by a couple hundred florists instead of a handful.

I get a very minimal amount of orders from fsn, average one or two per month. I use it purely for the sending capability and the link to my site. I also get really very few orders on my own site, honestly I'm lucky if I get more than five in a month. HOWEVER, I probably get another 40 or so who call and order after looking at my site. I got an order for $300 because a lady looked at 30 other sites and even called some of those florists before she called me. If you stay with fsn, you MUST make yourself appear "different" than all of the other sites.

I very seldom receive orders from other florists, possibly because I don't go after that. I want people to call or order directly from me, we really do need to eliminate as many middlemen as possible in order to be profitable and spend our marketing dollars where they will do the most for us.

I don't know about the favored florist in the neighboring town or what ftd has to do with the bank. She must be trying to do some refinancing and so she's all about making paper look good. That should have no bearing on your decisions. None. That is why every florist needs to make their decisions based on their own resources and what "angle" they are approaching to do the best thing for their business. If she feels that a favored position with her bank is what she needs right now, that is what will drive everything she does.

So you need to figure out what it is you expect from a website and if that is more orders, you're probably barking up the wrong tree. If you don't already have your own domain, get that immediately. You can then re-direct it to your fsn site. It can take quite some time for google to start archiving it but at least you will have started the process while you make your decision. I kept both for six months until I was really sure that strider was the way for me to go because it does cost more money and more of your time unless you take the option of letting strider do it all. That costs even more.

I'm trying my best not to sway you in any direction, you need to weigh what your objectives are and then put your efforts toward that. I will give you my reasons as best I can for my decision.

In 2003, I "built" a 10 page website using a godaddy template. It was pretty, it was different than all of the others, but it had no e-commerce. So in 2006 I "built" a shopping cart. That was a disaster. It didn't show up very good at all in searches, and figuring out the shipping was a major pita. I ended up disabling it after a year. In the meantime, I had signed up with fsn, and I liked that a lot. I did not have a website with them, just a listing. When I disabled my own shopping cart, I decided to get an fsn site. It did what I wanted it to do, which was to gather orders for me to fill locally. Most people called after looking at the site.

In January of 2008, I signed up with Bloomnet. I somehow got sucked into the idea that they would increase my revenue. They did increase my total sales, and if I were in the market for financing, I would still be with them because that can be made to look good on paper. November of 2008, I signed up for their (bloomnet's) website. I did not surrender my site address to them, I instead purchased another and then redirected my address to that one. In December, I dropped it. Complete waste of money. And in January 2009, I completely dropped them and went with a Strider site with fsn as my sending.

There are a lot of options out there and the perfect fit is not a one-size-fits-all sort of thing. The one thing that I will say is that fsn is not a wire service, it's not an order-gatherer. They don't do all of the aggressive marketing that these others do. That is were strider comes into the picture for me. I've tried the others and they don't do what I want from them. With strider, it's up to me to do any marketing, in any way I see fit. If I want to market aggressively, strider gives me that opportunity. They don't do it for me, that's up to me. The wire services do a lot of aggressive marketing although much of it these days is geared more toward direct shipping than it is to driving traffic to local florist members.

God, I hope this is making some sort of sense to you. Just give it some time to percolate and figure out what it is you want to achieve. In the meantime, most definitely buy a domain name, strider or godaddy, they are cheap cheap cheap. You can even get a hosted site for really cheap so that you can get a blog, you would be amazed at how fast google will archive that. And then put a link or tab that redirects to your fsn site. It depends on when your renewal is, mine was not until June, so I had time to decide, the initial investment for strider to build my template site was not much, and then just the monthly fee for hosting with no contract. I would hazard a guess that you would see an increase of incoming orders but of course there is an increase in expense, too.

Don't leap if you can take one step at a time. Does that help at all?
 
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Wow Linda! That was a mouthful! Ha! Ha! But you said it all very well:) There are so many decisions to make owning your own flower shop and so many options to choose from. It is totally mind bogging!!! And it all usually costs alot of money no matter what you decide to do. Nothing is for free. I own all of my own domain names. I bought many of them from godaddy, and like you said they are cheap. Of course you have to keep renewing them but that is the cost of doing business. I bought all of them that I could that had my name in it and also the city of I live in, Rapid City, like Rapid City florist, etc. So I would encourage anyone to go do that now before your competition or the order gathers buy them all up. I, as well, have a website with FSN. I hate to say it, but it does not do good for me and I really don't know why. I have their new one that you can make it look more like your own and not just the cookie cutter version. I only get a few customers that use that site & I hardly ever get a customer that orders off of that site. I do , on accasion, get some orders from other florists sending to me. I am thinking this year I will keep my membership with them but not have their website. I don't feel it is cost effective. I really like the people there as they are all very nice and helpful. I just don't know why their websites don't do better. I am getting rid of my TF website & now have my name fanciesflowers.com on an independent site from Floral Systems, that works with my pos, Visual Ticket, which I love. I took my main domain name, fanciesflowers.com, and put it on my new site. For the time being I put fanciesflowers.biz on the TF site until my contract for the TF site is done. I am getting orders off my new site just fine. I have lots of people that call looking at the site. I have an array of different pictures on it and I know it is not as professional looking as alot of the sites are but people are using it. I was open yesterday, in a near blizzard, most of the other shops closed but I hung on. Anyway I got several orders off the site, the last one being an $80 order for some white orchids I just happened to have on hand. The lady said she had always used another shop in town & decided to try someone else. She really liked our site and said it was easy to use. I have had several people tell me that so I think one of the most important things is to get a site that is easy for people to navigate around in. My website now is costing $85 a month & $1.50 an order. I don't mind that at all. I think that is fair. I control alot of the back end & I love how I can change my scrolling messages, top and bottom, & the pictures I have rotating on the side. I have not had the site very long and their is much to do with it. Takes so much time. Everydayflowers.com has a great site which he has done himself very enconomically for himself but I could never do that. I am not that talented, don't have the patience or know how to do it. I came onto the flower scene in my 40's & am now in my 60's, can hardly believe that! Anyway I didn't learn all that computer & technical stuff growing up, makes it harder the older you get. But I do try to keep moving ahead and try to keep up the best I can! I've been rattling on! Enough for now!
 
So, do you have 2 websites right now? I think that's what I'm understanding.

I actually joined FSN a few months ago because the shop near us closed and I started getting flooded with people wanting wire outs. I couldn't say no to some and I hate calling florists direct because I've had several bad incidents with other florists. So I joined FSN as a way to send orders. $250 a year and I don't have to talk to anyone to call out an order. Great. They said I would get some incoming orders but I never have gotten any but whatever.

Well then they are trying to talk me into getting their website so I get even more incoming orders and I just can't believe how much it costs. Plus the kicker is that they charge the customer a $5 service charge (that they keep) to place the order online. I think thats ridiculous. And they are seriously acting like I'm crazy for thinking thats ridiculous. Maybe I am crazy but I really think that's ridiculous. They say that people are used to this charge when shopping online. I tell them that I buy everything online and would never pay a "service" charge for using a website. They would not concede that the $5 charge might cut down on web orders or even that more people would call the shop instead of order online due to this charge. They tell me that I would do so much better with their site than with mine and I'm just not buying it. Plus I'd be paying a ton more.

I get a lot of web orders--like several a day at least. And I'm a very low volume shop. I know my website isn't flashy and fancy or anything but I think it's simple, clean, easy to use, and has a personal touch. People seem to really like it and I get a lot of orders. There are days where all I have are a bunch of web orders. I can't imagine that I would get as many orders with an FSN site. I just don't believe that people will order over and over with a $5 service charge.

So then they say, well if they don't like the $5 charge and they call the shop instead then thats still great, right? Wrong. Everytime someone orders online, they save me all that time. We are skeleton staffed at my shop. It's me in the shop and Carolyn on the road and that is it. So, anytime a customer wants to fill out their own order and not tie up me and the phone line then that's great. Especially at the holidays. And have you ever noticed how much higher your average sale is on the web orders? Customers tend to spend more when they are shopping without your sales people telling them how beautiful the $30 vase will be.

My point is that it is great to have a good website with a shopping cart because it really will help grow your business. But, I can't imagine that you would need 2 websites. At the same time, it's nice if your website also doesn't cost you a fortune. But I guess the less web skills and time to spend on it that you have, the more it will run you. And I think the FSN websites might not do awesome because of the service charge. Am I crazy or is that ridiculous? I couldn't believe it. Do the other sites have this charge? (like Teleflora and FTD and Strider sites)?

All that said, I do love FSN still. They are friendly and helpful. And it's really easy to send orders out. I love that. But personally, I would find a website that won't make the customer pay the website fees.
 
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Thanks Sarah Jane, I do have two websites - one isn't e-commerse and it does link to the fsn site. I agree it is a problem. FSN charges me the 3.99 on each incoming order not the customer placing the order. Unless i'm getting that wrong?
 
That all depends on what kind of site you have with them...The most basic site treats the orders as a wire in and they charge you a 3.99 fee...There is a 100% site that you can have and do al your own seo and customizing to...

I have found that FSN site perform poorly on placement when compared to other sites looking up florists with several of the templates...my guess is the seo optimization is poor...but Ryan would have way more insite on that..
 
Nope, they charge your customer. Maybe they charge you too, I don't know. I just went on your website and chose an arrangement to buy and here is what it wants to charge me:

Selected Price: $40.00
Delivery Fee: $8.00
Service Fee: $4.99
Sales Tax: $3.36
Total Charge: $56.35

They keep that 4.99 service fee.

It's funny because they didn't make that very clear to me until I had asked a lot of questions and then they acted like it was a sort of minor side detail. They said it covers their credit card processing fees or whatever but my credit card processing fees arent that high. Also, I just don't think they should charge the florist for the website and then also collect from the customer. Maybe this is standard practice and I'm just being crazy but if I were buying online and saw a "service fee" I would find a new site to order on. I just don't think that service fee is a good solution for a long term website because people won't become regulars on your site if they have to pay that every time. Maybe they will call instead but maybe not. I'm one of those people--I don't call places. I prefer to shop online for everything. So, I worry there are more people like me out there these days. And I would never frequent a website that charged that.
 
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And even worst to me is that they don't show the charge upfront. You don't see it until after you fill out who its going to, where its going, and the card message. It shows the delivery charge while you are filling all that out but the service fee doesn't show up until you are right about to put in your credit card information. Some people might not even catch it I guess. As a consumer these are the type of things that make me furious. A "service charge"? I'd be like "what for"? They told me that people have no problem paying it for the convenience of shopping online. Yeah right.

And my understanding is that both versions of the FSN sites charge the customer this fee.
 
The premium websites do not charge your customer for this...when you buy the website service from flower shop network you are charged, but when you buy the whole enchilada you are not..it is a case of what you can afford to pay for...just like with some flower shops, if you pay extra you can name your time for delivery if not we tell you when it will be delivered...it is not that they are screwing you it is that they have a fee based on what portion of the process you are responsible for and what portion they are responsible for...I cannot remember what the costs were for the basic website and the premium, it wasn't a good value in my mind because of the seo problems...but if I couldn't affords other indy sites or a wanted a shopping cart and this was the only way, it is or can be a good option for many...
 
Hummmmm I never knew that. I guesss that explains why, (maybe) I get sooo very few customer orders from their site. In the past when I have talked to FSN about this they say I get good traffiic to my site but then I wonder why no orders. But then, as I think about it, all the wire services charge service fees, like TF & their $14.95 fee & people keep buying from them. So I guess I don't have any answers! No surprise there, Ha Ha!
 
The premium websites do not charge your customer for this...when you buy the website service from flower shop network you are charged, but when you buy the whole enchilada you are not..it is a case of what you can afford to pay for...just like with some flower shops, if you pay extra you can name your time for delivery if not we tell you when it will be delivered...it is not that they are screwing you it is that they have a fee based on what portion of the process you are responsible for and what portion they are responsible for...I cannot remember what the costs were for the basic website and the premium, it wasn't a good value in my mind because of the seo problems...but if I couldn't affords other indy sites or a wanted a shopping cart and this was the only way, it is or can be a good option for many...

Nope, they charge the fee on both versions of the website. Fancies has the premium one and the fee is also there if I try to place an order. I've had long discussions with FSN on this one and they said there is absolutely no way to remove this fee on their websites. And I'm sorry but I think it's crazy to charge $700 a year for the basic website and who knows what for the premium website yet also take a $5 fee from each customer. Crazy crazy crazy and no one will convince me otherwise. I know the wire services charge this fee also but I wouldn't be wanting to model my business after them right now. I think this website business is crazy to be honest. People are making a ton of money off people's fear that they can't create their own professional looking website with a shopping cart using a basic ecommerce hosting plan. I understand paying these costly fees if you do not have the time to spend on your site or you don't want to bother with learning but I really believe anyone can do it if they have the time and the motivation to save the money. Some shops are so low volume (like mine) so they might have the time to spend on this. Just my opinion though so don't anyone freak out or anything. Just throwing it out there. Everyone has to do what is best for them and their shop.
 
Nope, they charge the fee on both versions of the website. Fancies has the premium one and the fee is also there if I try to place an order. I've had long discussions with FSN on this one and they said there is absolutely no way to remove this fee on their websites. And I'm sorry but I think it's crazy to charge $700 a year for the basic website and who knows what for the premium website yet also take a $5 fee from each customer. Crazy crazy crazy and no one will convince me otherwise. I know the wire services charge this fee also but I wouldn't be wanting to model my business after them right now. I think this website business is crazy to be honest. People are making a ton of money off people's fear that they can't create their own professional looking website with a shopping cart using a basic ecommerce hosting plan. I understand paying these costly fees if you do not have the time to spend on your site or you don't want to bother with learning but I really believe anyone can do it if they have the time and the motivation to save the money. Some shops are so low volume (like mine) so they might have the time to spend on this. Just my opinion though so don't anyone freak out or anything. Just throwing it out there. Everyone has to do what is best for them and their shop.

It is rediculous, I must agree...but sometimes you have to pay for convenience..I don't like that the customer gets chraged for that fee, the florist should be charged if that be the case...leave the consumer out of it..
 
Just a little added to my way too long post, I honestly didn't realize it was getting to be a novel~ sorry!

Anyway, no, there is not a fee with the strider site, you retain 100% of the order except that paypal will keep a small percentage for processing the cc.

FSN charges a service fee for every outgoing order, and just for the record I don't think that's crazy at all. It isn't just the cc processing, it is also the calling, faxing, emailing that they have to do in order to make sure that an order is being taken care of. In some cases, there is not an fsn florist and then they have to send it through a wire service. They of course have to pay the wire service fees and administration. Think of it like a delivery fee, most florists charge for that because they cannot afford to roll the cost into the flowers, it has to be over and above anything else.

One thing I forgot to mention in my novel when Jenifer questioned the other florist not wanting to have cc fees showing for processing fsn orders. Weird that she does not want to accept an order because that should not cost her anything but if she is referring to sending out, it makes sense. If she has refinancing on her mind, she does not want to show additional liability with no assets to offset it which is exactly what interest expense is.
 
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Yes Linda she was referring to sending out. I was under the impression she was sending her orders to me and I was sending my orders to her - exclusively for our deliver area. Instead she must be sending to my compitition using ftd. It just pissed me off on top of looking at the fsn profit ratio. I need to stop being stupidly naive and do as Rob says " promote your own brand cuz no one else is gonna do it for you" thanks again guys!
 
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You are able to adjust your delivery fee on the FSN sites.So if you would charge a call in customer $9.99 for delivery in whatever town,if they go online and place an order the customer will see $4.99 service charge and a $5.00 delivery fee,then customers don't question it. You are paying for convenice of having FSN do the leg work. 90% of my orders are customers callin me after they have been to my website. I do get at the minimum a month 10-15 orders from FSN. So for me it works right now until I can afford a different system or want to get more involved in the web site process. Whatever works for you is what is best. I don't go alot of wiring out so it works for me.
 
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The question was asked earlier about Strider sites and fees, so I just want to clarify: There are never any per-order fees with a Strider site. No extra service charge to the customer, no per-order fee to the florist. Flat monthly, that's all. We will not punish you for having a successful web site.
 
It must be different in Canada. On your site I just see a delivery charge and HST tax. But on all the American sites there is a $4.99 service fee that is charged to the customer that FSN keeps. I've had extensive talks with FSN about this. They are very clear that this is charged to every customer who orders on the website, and on every order.