Just so done with FTD - HELP

Allie444

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I don't know why but that Groupon thing finally put me over the edge. That and the fact that they are funneling all the wire ins to filling shops in my area now. O.K. logically I know the filling shop thing shouldn't bug me but it just does. I am just done with them.

So I have a few questions:

- Should I become wire free? The commission on the 20 orders a month I send seems to pay for it.

- In our area the Teleflora rep is one of the coldest, snootiest people I have run across. I know this has made me predjudiced against them. I do love their products and I love their websites but will be going Media 99. I will need some sort of POS. Do I switch to Teleflora? Do I buy their POS?

- Do I go wire free?

- How will i get my orders out?

- How will I process my credit cards?

I know it is time to cut the wire service cord for many reasons but it is still a little scary.

Thank you in advance.... I can't wait to here all your opinions.
 
I think get tied to any wire service via a POS system right now would be a big mistake. I would start checking out the independant POS systems. I suspect you will find many banks in your srea to be competitive on clearing credit cards. I still got 20 payments left on my Mercury or we be making a move right now to an independant POS and my hopes are that my wire outs will drop enough in near future to make dropping wire possible for us too.
 
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Hi Allison,

Those are all very good questions to ask as you contemplate a big move. I am reassured that you understand a lot of the impact a move like this would have besides just the issue of orders.

So first of all, you ask if you should stay because your out orders seem to cover the cost. Do you mean the membership fees? If you are only sending and not recieving, just covering the fees seems a waste of time, there are other options like FSN for probably a lot less money. If you take orders as well, that's a whole different ballgame as I'm sure you are aware.

So you have a website with them? But you plan on changing to Media99? Why? Are you also a TF member? Do you now have Mercury?

I'm trying to get a better picture of your particular situation. Everybody has different ways that work best for them and ultimately, you know better than anybody else what that is.

I'm sure others will chime in with better info but you don't have to belong to a wire service to have a good, solid POS that will integrate a website and charge card processing. I know with Floristware you don't need fancy stuff but you need a charge card processor. Don't forget that you would need a new merchant account for that cc processing.

The main thing is to think about everything that you now get through your membership, because if you DON'T fill for them, and you use their technology AND all of that is being paid without your own out-of-pocket expense, I would approach it carefully and systematically.

Would I get out of FTD if that was what I belonged to? Abso-positively! Their business practices are leading them and all of the members down a dark and dangerous road.

hth
 
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I have a few questions:

- Should I become wire free? The commission on the 20 orders a month I send seems to pay for it.

- In our area the Teleflora rep is one of the coldest, snootiest people I have run across. I know this has made me predjudiced against them. I do love their products and I love their websites but will be going Media 99. I will need some sort of POS. Do I switch to Teleflora? Do I buy their POS?

- How will i get my orders out?

- How will I process my credit cards?

All great questions!

Wire free: Use this tool to determine your real profit / loss on wire business. It has to be a business decision, at the end of the day.

TF: Their web sites are junk for SEO, but if you like the products you can use their images on almost any other platform. For the love of all things sweet and lovely, don't buy a TF POS.

POS: Check out MAS and FloristWare - those are the two systems I can recommend without reservation. Test both, find your preference.

Outgoing: FloristWare interfaces with FSN, so that's an option. MAS has their own MAS Direct network for sending without a wire service. Or, use your own CC and get the air miles!

CC: TF will lock you into their program. MAS & FloristWare work with 3rd party processors.
 
Should I become wire free? The commission on the 20 orders a month I send seems to pay for it.

There are lots of ways to get your orders out that can work for you:
- Use your credit card and call them out (get miles!) I am not a fan of handing out phone numbers. That is your customer that wants to rely on you to get their order out. Using your credit card allows you to call the shop, find out what they have in stock and provide your customer with the service they expect.

- Join FSN - I know they have some bad press lately, but their system is very cost effective and we have been very successful using almost all of their services over the years and we now use their images on our independent website. (www.dragonflyflowers.com)

- You can sign up for Bloomnet - sending only (and you get their images to use)

- There must be more, but it's all about crunching the numbers for each.
Images seem to be the biggest factor here, but as things change in the industry, images are becoming more and more readily available to us that aren't quite ready to do our own.

- In our area the Teleflora rep is one of the coldest, snootiest people I have run across. I know this has made me predjudiced against them. I do love their products and I love their websites but will be going Media 99. I will need some sort of POS. Do I switch to Teleflora? Do I buy their POS?

Do you really want to get into bed with another wire service? I have heard great things about MAS and we started with Floristware about a year ago and are very happy with it. Especially because it was less than 2k to get started with a cash register, card reader, 2 computers and receipt printer.

- Do I go wire free?

- How will i get my orders out?

- How will I process my credit cards?

During our website transition and dealings with Floristware, we removed a full 1% from our credit card processing costs for online orders and about .75% for in store orders. The yearly savings from that alone easily paid for the system. I have no doubt that you can find a cheaper provider for that locally through your Chamber of Commerce or other organization you may belong to.

I know it is time to cut the wire service cord for many reasons but it is still a little scary.

I feel for you in this decision. It's a big one that we never had to deal with as we didn't subscribe to any from the time we opened until now.

Thank you in advance.... I can't wait to here all your opinions.
You didn't mention anything about incoming? Do you have incoming? The other piece of advice I give everyone is that even at low margins, incoming can aid your buying power, but if you have next to nothing, you don't have to worry about it.

The bottom line is that - if you are ready for it (many are not and it is a bad decision to drop them and their services) you will likely see ways to change your business to provide you with more money in your pocket.

Any entity that is bundling services and in essence making it easy for you is going to cost you more money. By splitting things up, you will definitely see a difference!
 
well i have flower shop net work to send over seas if need be and i have IRIS pay as you use service but been having issues with them this last month so not going to say try them right now.

We bought the shop 3 yrs ago with Teleflora in place and dropped it after 4 months. We used credit cards only for sending but ran into a language problem sending to Germany. So we joined the Flower shop network for that.

WE decided last June to try FTD they were offering a good 6 month deal but it very quickly had plus plus plus added on. We canceled after our 6 month trial was up. I am still waiting for final papers from them.

Yes we do less deliveries now, my deliver person feels it the most as she is paid per package but the store numbers work better!
my monthly expences are down for membership and that helps with cash flow!
 
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I think you need to ask your self why are you involved with FTD or TF in the first place. Is it because of the ease of sending out wire orders? Is it because you prefer their website templates? Is is because they send you orders and you use those orders to market to local people?

No one should sign up with any company, no matter what they do, unless they are getting something out of the relationship. Find out why you are with them. Are they fulfilling the reason you are with them? Do you agree with their business model and how they do business.

If you have no legitimate reason for staying with them, then cut them loose.

I think many people sign up for wire services because they think it will make them money. In fact, wire services are a tool for your business. If that tool isn't helping you, you don't need it.
 
Allison,

I know that there are a lot of strong feelings about going wire service free on this board.

That said, some of us use the wire services to our advantage.

Be glad that FTD is funneling incoming to other shops in your area. That way they won't bug you when you refuse to fill for FTD.com and order gatherers. (I just feel sorry for the bottom line of my other florist friends in town.)

Even though I often offer to give my customers the name and number of an out-of-town florist, many still don't want the hassle and prefer that I send their order. With my POS system (Mercury) that takes about 15 seconds and three clicks of the mouse. I don't charge a relay/service fee for this reason. I'm providing a service to my customers and saving them money at the same time. And I'm making a profit.

I buy very few FTD containers -- only the ones I like and can profitably sell. I've purchased non of the spring containers. The only one we bought this quarter was the Valentine heart vase, and we rapidly sold out of our two cases. I use FTD images on my Media99 website.

A lot of what FTD does bugs me, but I say use them the way they use others -- make sure your relationship to them is to YOUR advantage and profit.
 
We dropped FTD because they numbers just didn't add up anymore. A couple of locations actually did make a profit-but only because they had a lot of outgoing orders. We have been using FlowerShop Network for the past year and are happy with it. We have a lot easier time sending out orders because the shops don't have to be FTD. We were running into a lot of issues where there weren't FTD shops in the towns we were sending to and that was really time consuming....something that I think is going to be getting more and more prevelant.

Now we don't fill too many incoming orders, but that's ok by me. We send out just as much as always (profitable), fill incoming less (not profitable) and don't pay all the high monthly fees (really not profitable), and don't waste our time dealing with the BS (priceless!).
 
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Thank you all for the thought provoking responses. I have kinda felt like a lot of the great business minds have left the Flower Chat boards but here you all are with such great advice. Thank you!

I am confused about flower shop Network. If I send an order I pay them?

With FTD if I send 20 orders a month at 50.00 I get 20% so 200.00 plus a 4.00 rebate. So this 280.00 does pay for membership.

I will look into Floristware and MAS next week and I know this is the way to go. No more 5 year ties to a wire service for me.
 
Allison,
The last few posters made some very good points about using the wire services to your/our advantage and I want to share why I'm not dropping them at this time. (example: haevy wire out business/very profitable for us). I will have to go visit the "Wizard" one day and get some courage to do drop them, I know that day is ahead, but for now, I'm staying put and I just might out-live them if you know what I mean. The groupon thing is another nail in their coffin and the funeral deal they made a few months ago might be for themselves. They are really being dumb about business and I get so frustrated also. Free technology is their newest form of bait if you "become an FTD go to store". No thanks! I'm already in "FTD GO TO STORE RECOVERY AA). I know they're plenty of people on here wire fee and for a long time and I applaud all of you for that stance. Thye made that decision based on factors they flet importnat to them.

In Jan of every year I run previous year numbers and really determine where my sales are coming from, the platforms that they use and how we as a store can better improve service. Here's how they fell last year.

2010 was a good year for our store. I look at numbers in a different way than most (or maybe not) so here's my advice:

We had 505 new customers come to the store during 2010. Our customer retention rate was mid 70's (average florist should be 65 - 70). We saw a few weeks ago BN's had dropped to 61%, my guess is FTD is same and JF is down to about mid 40's. (only a guess) from what I can research. It shows people are returning less and there's a reason. So out of the 505 new customers:

(40%) came from our referall program in place (or word of mouth some call it)
(35%) came from WS (average store will get 12 - 14% if they do nothing but fill orders. With a little marketing, nudging, etc. that number can be raised very fast.......)
(16%) came from the website (not that good) I don't think. Not up on tech the way I should be, but learning (thanks to you guys)
(9%) misc coloumn (following van, saw windows of storefront painted with Rick as Santa on it, employee shopping at store saw her shirt, heard our radio show, etc.)

To get a new customer in the store costs you about $65 - $85 and you don't make money until that gets paid through repeat business, it could take 2 - 3 years.

So I guess I'm afraid of losing that 35% and then having to spend $13,000 plus on marketing to get that many new customers, and then wait 2 - 3 years, when I only spend $9000 of fees, comm., etc. and that number is paid for at delivery, so if i convert them, when they order it's profit now (not speculation for later). I do know the bottom line could/would increase with that 35% gone, but if you don't add the rate of new customers that aren't in your retention platform, that equals "closing". I prefer to stay as I am for now. Expample: If you have 10 customers, this year, 7 return next year, 4 the next year, etc. in 4 years that numbers is 0, so you have to add 3 new ones, to keep up the cycle or as I call it "the customer triangle".

Oh and the other 65% who didn't use me are put into an "education program" about w/s and og and marketed to before each event they we're originally sent to or for. I don't track that number, I probably should, I know I convert some of them. All these numbers a very general but accuarate, some clerks don't click the right buttons......................Sorry for such a long writting, hope this helps and doesn't give you a headache......
 
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I want to share why I'm not dropping them at this time. (example: haevy wire out business/very profitable for us).
True it can be, but is the CONsumer getting their monies worth? We already know the filler fool is not. Is it in the best interest of the long term health of the industry?

I'm just say'n..... The Wizard
 
Rick, what kind of system are you using to track where your customers are coming from? I personally ask people who call on the phone where they got our number from & why they decided to call us for their flower order. My employees do not do that for me, even if they did I have no place to record that. In my Visual Ticket system it tells me the number of new customers I had that day. We enter in our customers by their home phone number & that is the way Visual Ticket tracks new customers. I do need to do more to try to sell to the wire services receipients that I deliver to. Actually in Visual Ticket there is a button to push that says to add the receipient as a customer. I guess if I sent out some direct mailings & if I could get their e-mai I could than market to that person via e-mail, if I ever do any e-mails, which I don't do at the moment. I have always had a thing about e-mailing my customers because so many of them are even hesitant to give me their e-mail addresses for their cc receipt & a delivery confirmation, which I do do now. They don't want any other e-mails sent to them, so I don't want to antagonize them. I know how I feel about all the people that e-mail me constantly. It irritates me. Anyway, just wondering how you keep track of your customers.
 
I was on FTD POS until Nov 1 and I switch to FW. In FW they have "adware" buttons and mine match what we ask them to do. I also have some employees that don't ask and that really fouls things up. I have a basic "excel spreadsheet" that has 5 categories:

Repeat Customer: No furthere action needed
New customer: How and why?
Internet customer: How, our website, search directory, etc.
Refer (or word of mouth): Who and why?
Misc: Van driving down road, billboard, radio show, etc.

I then enter the days total (that you get one a month) from VT. I won't be exact, but It will give you enough information as to what's paying for what and whom. Then when you introduce DM you can use very limited codes that are eacy to track. In FW you can ad a tracker call it anything you want. It also tracks the WS in's if you want. It sounds like I do alot, but I really don't. 10 minutes a day "will keep the debtors away".......................
 
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I am very happy I drop ftd last year, I am going to drop 1800 by end April I keep TF because I still paying pos but since I stop FTD I see the cash, FSN is a good one to use, I use FSN for 5 years just like anything else you need to looking your number do you recive a lot incomeing order? if not it's no reason to give your money away.