M Day Social Media Train Wreck

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God bless the folks out there in social media trying to represent national floral companies the days after Mother's Day. What used to be lonely frustation on the part of consumers can now be share loudly via SM.

Just check the FB pages for a seemingly endless stream of rants (except for FTD since they don't appear to have a page at all. There's still plenty of complaining about FTD on Twitter and a big rant on Consumerist -and you've got to read the consumer comments.)

Biggest source of complaints look to be:
1) non-delivery
2) substitutions
3) poor flower/design quality
4) inflated shipping fees ( mostly PF)
5) long times on hold trying to sort out the problems
6) lack of English speakers in Customer Service

Black eyes all around. Not a good way to promote flowers as a gift.
 
Best reasons in the world for florists to distance themselves from the BIG3~!

P.S. You know, the interesting thing is that they charged me $18.99 in shipping and service fees. So the $10 rebate doesn't even cover the fees.
That about covers it.
 
Reading some of the comments, real florists are hung out to dry as well.

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Interestingly enough, the ProFlowers FB page only lets me see the ProFlowers posts. I could not access the posts by others. Hmm....

I'm in agreement that all this negative stuff is really BAD for the floral industry in general. Most consumers don't differentiate between the big .coms or the local florist. Bad flower experience from 1800=flowers are a bad gift choice.
 
the 800Flowers facebook page had loads of complaints and seemingly all problems were being addressed by customer service reps by private message. When I read it, it was a full page long and all complaints were logged in within the past 3 hours. It was interesting. They must have a customer service rep (or two or three) just answering facebook complaints :)
 
I read through the 800-Flowers FB page and with the rare exception......Did you notice that all the reponses from 800 were exactly the same reponse.....appear to be making good use of cutting and pasting.
 
Most consumers don't differentiate between the big .coms or the local florist.
That's because the local florists for decades have associated themselves with the very companies that have morphed into predators today. Florists MUST disassociate themselves from these companies in the short term, to regain what we gave up in the long term.
 
Interestingly enough, the ProFlowers FB page only lets me see the ProFlowers posts. I could not access the posts by others. Hmm....

I'm in agreement that all this negative stuff is really BAD for the floral industry in general. Most consumers don't differentiate between the big .coms or the local florist. Bad flower experience from 1800=flowers are a bad gift choice.

In reponse to this is a simple question......and I hope it does not come across as rude or condescending.......

What steps are you taking and doing to reverse that consumer mentality and way of thinking in your local service area?


Almost daily, in my interaction with the customers at Carolina Pottery, I am extolling the virtues of reputable local florists and explaining why doing business with the d'OG's is a bad choice.
 
Proflowers doesn't allow new posts by fans, so the comments/complaints are being left under their product posts. They also have a complaint 'Box' and I swear there were way more posts there yesterday. Today I see only one.

Lots of PF discussions on Twitter, too. Do note how fast PF is at refunding/replacing. They beat the other nationals by a mile in that department.
 
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In reponse to this is a simple question......and I hope it does not come across as rude or condescending.......

What steps are you taking and doing to reverse that consumer mentality and way of thinking in your local service area?


Almost daily, in my interaction with the customers at Carolina Pottery, I am extolling the virtues of reputable local florists and explaining why doing business with the d'OG's is a bad choice.

Ricky,

Really good question. And, no, I do not take offense to you asking!

The biggest thing I've done was to drop FTD. We've gone from being with 3 wire services at one point (many years ago) to being wire-service free as of May 1st this year. After last Mother's Day, I told myself "never again". We had so many orders coming in undervalued, or too late to be delivered when they wanted them, or time-wasting phone calls after we had already rejected the order, or my personal favorite-delivering orders that came in the Monday after Mother's Day and having our local recipients chastise us for not getting the orders out on time!!

We are with Flower Shop Network (mostly for sending orders out-we still have a number of customers who come to us for that) but we don't receive many orders from them. They also realistically advised their florists NOT to guarantee delivery on orders placed after noon on Friday. We would recommend to our customers to call direct if they wanted something sent after that time.

We now have our own website from Strider so our customers can find us conveniently online. I realize it's often a convenience thing for the people who order online....I noticed most our orders came through in the evening after most traditional shops would be closed. We shut down our delivery at noon on Saturday and didn't offer Sunday delivery on our website, but any orders that came through and asked for MOnday delivery (if they were for Mother's Day) we tried to deliver on Sunday. That way we were under-promising and over-delivering...kind of the opposite of the .coms!

I do educate customers when given the chance and in the right situation, but am careful how I do so. It's a fine line between education and coming across as preachy and self serving. It's probably a little easier for you in that you're not speaking as a representative of a local florist, so your suggestions can come across as sincere and good advice. I can tell you it's hard for me to NOT respond to all those complaints on the FB pages and say "just order locally and you wouldn't have paid that $18.00 service fee to start with!". Luckily, some other customers are chiming in and responding with that message.

One of the most important things all of us (as local florists) can do is GIVE GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE! When we do get that phone call from out of town (especially on a major holiday when the big companies are pounding the advertising) we MUST see them as the GOLD they are. The person on the other line may be someone who had ordered from ProFlowers, or FTD.com, or 1800 in the past and had a bad experience. This is our opportunity to shine! Sadly, I see a number of posts here referring to situations where customers were treated less than well by local florists (mostly posts where Flowerchatters got the phone call AFTER another florist had made the customer feel like S*** for some reason or another. I think Eric and Shannon both had some experiences like that....)

We're the professionals...we better act like it. We all know how it is for Mother's Day and Valentine's Day every year. We all know people call last minute. I think it's up to us to do the best we can to handle that business when it comes in...rather than lament the idiot customer who waited til the last minute--again! I do realize that we can only predict to the best of our abilities. We can only order so much product and handle so much volume. But I also think that a lot of florists have the attitude that there's more business than they can handle at certain times of the year and that turning some of it away is just part of the deal....some are even smug about it. I'm quite certain some of them could spend a little of their downtime figuring out how to be more efficient or streamlined at holiday time so they can handle more business and make more money and more customers happy. Sorry if I sound like I'm on a soapbox, but I have seen this attitude among my own associates! On Sunday I overheard one of our newer associates telling a customer, "sorry, we can't deliver for you today". Ok, maybe we couldn't get that order processed and delivered that late on Sunday afternoon...but she never gave any other options such as "Sorry, we can't deliver that for you yet today, but we would be happy to make up what you would like and you can pick it up in the store and deliver it yourself" or "Sorry, we can't deliver that for you yet today, but we would be happy to take it first thing tomorrow". Even if the customer didn't choose one of those options, they would have at the very least felt like we were trying to come up with a solution for them. How many times have we heard a customer service representative say "sorry" and get the feeling they were anything but. Anyways, that was a good opportunity for some training!

Once again, didn't start out intending to write a book but.......
 
I couldn't agree more with what you have said. I am reconsidering my 30 year relationship with Teleflora because of all the undervalued orders that came in this Mother's Day. In the past we have always had nicely priced orders for this paticular holiday. How was your business this year? Did leaving FTD make a huge difference in your planning and did your new website work as well for you as your FTD site did in the past. I am not certain I am ready to give up my teleflora site just yet.
 
I couldn't agree more with what you have said. I am reconsidering my 30 year relationship with Teleflora because of all the undervalued orders that came in this Mother's Day. In the past we have always had nicely priced orders for this paticular holiday. How was your business this year? Did leaving FTD make a huge difference in your planning and did your new website work as well for you as your FTD site did in the past. I am not certain I am ready to give up my teleflora site just yet.

Our site didn't generate the number of orders we normally would have received from FTD, but I know our bottom line faired better. Lower labor costs and the orders we filled were 100% ours. What's the point in spinning our wheels and paying overtime to make no profit? Overall our sales were up for the holiday, but that was mainly because of a hanging bakset promotion we did on the 6th. If we hadn't had the basket promotion, our sales would have been flat to slightly down. However, we spent much less time sending messages back and forth asking for more money or if we could substitute flowers and colors (when they only gave one choice) or just downright rejecting undervalued or ridiculous orders. I also think average order amounts were down overall-whether they were wire service orders, website orders, or walk-in traffic. No doubt in my mind that consumers were spending less this year. We definintely saw it in our walk-in, phone orders, and website orders. I'm a believer that the lower price points will be sticking with us for some time yet.....

I was nervous going into this holiday...sales decreases are not exactly appreciated in our company (even if they are more profitable sales)! Now that we're past this major holiday without FTD, I couldn't be happier I made the decision. We took it in steps. First, we got our own website up and running (ours is a Strider site) last fall. We then added Flower Shop Network right before Christmas as an option for sending orders out (really quick and easy with them BTW). Lastly, we dropped FTD. It was not a knee jerk decision-a lot of planning before we actually pulled the plug.
 
I also noted lower price points this year on all fronts...I too believe that people are buying again but are watching their pennies, the days of frivolous buying are over for the while, and I think if we don't offer those 30-35 arrangements 800 flowers will only get stronger, they are giving the consumer what they want price wise, it would be smart of all of us to really shine and give what the consumer wants pricewaise and double it up with some stellar friendly service to gain back their trust and put value back in the local florist and stop filling the crap og orders...if we so want to help ourselves, the industry and our livlihoods..
 
I am reconsidering my 30 year relationship with Teleflora because of all the undervalued orders that came in this Mother's Day.
Don't blame them too much... the consumer, in this economy is often opting for less expensive options. Myself and many others I have talked to in the last couple days have seen the same number of sales, and even increases in the number, but less dollars per order... folks just don't have it...

Also... Welcome to the FlowerChat Zoo... we're glad you joined us... enjoy~!
 
You know, looking at the photos posted on 1800 etc from disgruntled customers....it's really quite embarrasssing to see what some florists will send out. Even knowing they're probably only getting $30 bucks of the total $60 order, that stuff is shameful. A small arrangement doesn't have to be ugly as well. Again, not good for the whole of the industry.

Kudos to those of you who regularly post your fabulous designs FB and Twitter. We need to keep putting those positive floral images out there!
 
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Everyone I have talked to in my local area so far is saying the same thing.......Overall, the holiday was up, but individual order dollar value was down slightly.
 
In reponse to this is a simple question......and I hope it does not come across as rude or condescending.......

What steps are you taking and doing to reverse that consumer mentality and way of thinking in your local service area?


Almost daily, in my interaction with the customers at Carolina Pottery, I am extolling the virtues of reputable local florists and explaining why doing business with the d'OG's is a bad choice.

I'm involved with a group of Mass florists who are trying to form a state association. We are in the VERY early gestation stages of trying to decide what we are and already an FTD rep has shown up at the meeting, and there's talk of taking TF money, and the FTD rep said the Maine State Association would not exist without TF money. Our group isn't even a group yet and it is being hijacked!

What can I do to convince the other florists that we are fully capable of standing on our own two feet and that it is in our best interests to differentiate ourselves from WS, OG's, and mass marketers??? HELP!
 
I was nervous going into this holiday...sales decreases are not exactly appreciated in our company (even if they are more profitable sales)! Now that we're past this major holiday without FTD, I couldn't be happier I made the decision. We took it in steps. First, we got our own website up and running (ours is a Strider site) last fall. We then added Flower Shop Network right before Christmas as an option for sending orders out (really quick and easy with them BTW). Lastly, we dropped FTD. It was not a knee jerk decision-a lot of planning before we actually pulled the plug.

Sandy, we've sort of followed your steps a few months behind you. Although we went the route of a website with FSN for the interim. Must say that I enjoyed the holiday without the stresses you mentioned that come with the holiday WS orders.
 
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I was nervous going into this holiday...sales decreases are not exactly appreciated in our company (even if they are more profitable sales)! Now that we're past this major holiday without FTD, I couldn't be happier I made the decision. We took it in steps. First, we got our own website up and running (ours is a Strider site) last fall. We then added Flower Shop Network right before Christmas as an option for sending orders out (really quick and easy with them BTW). Lastly, we dropped FTD. It was not a knee jerk decision-a lot of planning before we actually pulled the plug.

Sandy, we've sort of followed your steps a few months behind you. Although we went the route of a website with FSN for the interim. Must say that I enjoyed the holiday without the stresses you mentioned that come with the holiday WS orders.