Making SEO Eyes Bleed

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This will go over the head of most folks here, but for those of you familiar with SEO, you may want to put on protective goggles before reading this:

From: Shaun Johnston
Subject: CMS

I create web sites for lodgings, who need to be able to alter their
rates periodically and post specials. I give them a Word page saved as
html in an iframe.

In Word I create a page with just their rates table or a sample special,
say. I save that in Word as html and upload it (plus the accompanying
folder this makes) to a folder on the web site ( subfolders will
accumulate in this, so make it a separate folder). I then create a new
web page and create an iframe this Word page shows in.

I show the client how to access this Word page in Word through ftp. They
can work in it as they would in any Word file, changing styles and
colors and adding photos. Then they save back online. The file is
updated, and shows in the iframe at once.

They love it.

I warn them to keep a backup of the Word file locally in case they mess
up. No problem so far. At www.merrell-inn.com this is applied for
attractions.htm, directions.htm, policies.htm, rates.htm, and
reviews.htm, all with iframes containing respectively
attractionsdoc.htm, directionsdoc.htm, policiesdoc.htm, ratesdoc.htm,
and reviewsdoc.htm, all in a single folder with the client's name,
"andrew," that the client has access to, with all the dependent folders.
From frequent changes the folder has accumulated perhaps 100 backup
files and folders in about a year, but the client seems to have no
problem. He now wants two more pages of the same form. Soon half his
site will consist of pages with iframes, that he maintains. He loves not
being dependent on me for changes.

Shaun Johnston

Original at http://www.led-digest.com/content/view/2049/190/
 
Non-SEO type. . .

But I am interested.
Why does it make your eyes bleed?
Should I put my goggles (not to be confused with googles) on before you tell me?

On the surface, sounds like a good way to handle it.
 
But I am interested.
Why does it make your eyes bleed?
Should I put my goggles (not to be confused with googles) on before you tell me?

On the surface, sounds like a good way to handle it.


Using iframes is a NO NO as far as search engines indexing is concerned...

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1) Frames are the most visitor unfriendly object ever devised on the Internet.

2) HTML from Word? I doubt it renders correctly in most browsers. Word's "save as html" produces craptastic code.

3) The frame contents won't be indexed.
 
2) HTML from Word? I doubt it renders correctly in most browsers. Word's "save as html" produces craptastic code.

It's a sight to behold.

Or not, if you have sensitive eyes.

I wonder why they even included that function in Word?
 
It's a sight to behold.

Or not, if you have sensitive eyes.

I wonder why they even included that function in Word?

You would be shocked as to how many DIY webmasters are using word to produce their website...

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Oh my gawd - I never ran across one of them, or if I did it was so horrible I never looked under the hood.
 
As if people still developing with Frontpage isn't bad enough- but WORD? my god. If you are using Word to design your website please do us a favor and /quit the internet.

Word is the worst rendering engine ever (yes even worse than IE).
 
As if people still developing with Frontpage isn't bad enough- but WORD? my god. If you are using Word to design your website please do us a favor and /quit the internet.

Word is the worst rendering engine ever (yes even worse than IE).

LOL...I forgot about Frontpage. Which produces the most craptastic code?
It's gotta be Word.

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As if people still developing with Frontpage isn't bad enough- but WORD? my god. If you are using Word to design your website please do us a favor and /quit the internet.

Word is the worst rendering engine ever (yes even worse than IE).

Easy on some of us FrontPage users, it seved some of us very well over the years, LOL ;)

It may not be the best code but it sure worked well and was easy to use.
 
You would be shocked as to how many DIY webmasters are using word to produce their website...

Or graphics guys using Photoshop / Illustrator. Just because your software has an "export to html" feature that doesn't make you a web designer!

As if people still developing with Frontpage isn't bad enough- but WORD? my god. If you are using Word to design your website please do us a favor and /quit the internet.

Word is the worst rendering engine ever (yes even worse than IE).

Amen & Amen - At times I struggle between knowing the competition sucks (and rejoicing) and knowing they are polluting the internet with crap (crying) and in the end always come back to wanting them to improve.

LOL...I forgot about Frontpage. Which produces the most craptastic code?
It's gotta be Word.

Yup - you know it's bad when other software has special features to clean up your code. DW has a procedure to remove excess Word codes, and most web WYSIWYG editors have a Paste From Word button.

Easy on some of us FrontPage users, it seved some of us very well over the years, LOL ;)

It may not be the best code but it sure worked well and was easy to use.

I'm sure that's what Shaun said about Word, too ;)

Oh, and FYI on iFrames ... they aren't evil, just misused :) They can come in very handy in some SEO applications.

Ryan
 
I think JB has played with them. I downloaded the trials, but never got around to playing.

Ryan
 
Easy on some of us FrontPage users, it seved some of us very well over the years, LOL ;)

It may not be the best code but it sure worked well and was easy to use.

Ditto that - many of us learned with it a long time ago - it was a very useable program for a long time. User friendly counts for a lot.

Speaking of a Front Page replacement (since it's no longer being updated or sold), has anyone tried any of the Microsoft Expression products?

I think JB has played with them. I downloaded the trials, but never got around to playing.

Ryan

I'm not playing with it - I'm making my living with it. *wink*

Not the whole suite (tho I have it) - I have other programs for graphics etc., but Expression Web is an awesome product.

Alas - I had to leave FP behind when my hosting company quit supporting the extensions.

As I've said before - I have Dreamweaver and spent way over a month learning how to use it - built a couple sites with it, and decided I don't care for it.

On the other hand, Expression Web does everything I need it to do (sure they copied most of DW's features) and I am very happy with it.

I know

opinions vary
 
If you *must* use a WYSIWYG editor then you should undoubtedly be using Dreamweaver (now part of Adobe CS2 & CS3). It is far from perfect but still leaps-and-bounds better than the other visual editors. At least the base code it outputs is W3 compliant..

To the Frontpage users: ditch it. As someone already pointed out in a previous reply, it is not longer supported or sold by MS (think of it as the Windows98 of web editing). I think if it is crappy enough for Microsoft to ditch then you should too! Haven't played around with Expressions enough to have an opinion on it.

For me, I'll take Textmate any day of the week :) (or Notepad++ if I'm in a Windoze box)
 
If you *must* use a WYSIWYG editor then you should undoubtedly be using Dreamweaver (now part of Adobe CS2 & CS3). It is far from perfect but still leaps-and-bounds better than the other visual editors. At least the base code it outputs is W3 compliant..

To the Frontpage users: ditch it. As someone already pointed out in a previous reply, it is not longer supported or sold by MS (think of it as the Windows98 of web editing). I think if it is crappy enough for Microsoft to ditch then you should too! Haven't played around with Expressions enough to have an opinion on it.

For me, I'll take Textmate any day of the week :) (or Notepad++ if I'm in a Windoze box)
Real men use "vi" :) :poke:
 
Thanks, JB. Do you have to buy a separate copy for each computer - just like FrontPage?

Yes I think so, but my student employee bought me the whole suite for $100.

If you *must* use a WYSIWYG editor then you should undoubtedly be using Dreamweaver (now part of Adobe CS2 & CS3). It is far from perfect but still leaps-and-bounds better than the other visual editors. At least the base code it outputs is W3 compliant..

So does Expression Web. One of their promo lines is "Passionate about standards"

Yes I *must* use WYSIWYG cuz I choose to, thank you very much.

I tried Dreamweaver and found I didn't want to take that much time (my life is too short) learning a new way of looking at web design when it was unnecessary. I gave it enough of a try to make my decision and I decided I don't care for it.

Is that OK with you gurls? :ssmoke

Hey guess what???

opinions vary.....
 
As long as you aren't using Angelfire, Geocities, or Tripod then I suppose it is ok....

>_<
 
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