Merrill Lynch sold to B of A, Lehman to BK

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It's a bank meltdown. Read the details and know we are all in for a very, very difficult fall.

To the regulators who let the mortgage market run free for the last decade, I can't even write my thoughts without hitting the dirty world filter.

The 'free market' economy without sane regulation is putting us at the threshold of a time akin to the great depression.

Sorry to sound alarmist, but these two pillars of banking/equity, both going down in the same weekend is incredibly alarming.
 
The 'free market' economy without sane regulation is putting us at the threshold of a time akin to the great depression.

Sorry to sound alarmist,
Not alarmist... it's simply reality...

Things are going to continue to get worse for some time before they start to get better. Throw in a few more hurricanes, and a heavier than usual snowy winter and it's a Perfect Storm.

One has to wonder, if there is a supernatural power at work to correct corporate greed and humble a great nation that thinks it's poop don't stink.
 
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Greed, as history will atest, goes before the fall... and the lesson seems to go unheeded.

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Word on the street (from my local bank consultant) is that there may also be word coming out about AIG in the next day or three as well....

Domino's in the wind!
 
AIG has to restructure according to an article I read this morning.
 
I say Lehman Brothers "Big Boys Checks" get used to pay some of this mess they are in, give your bonsus' back...
 
I say Lehman Brothers "Big Boys Checks" get used to pay some of this mess they are in, give your bonsus' back...

This is what I kept thinking as I read the article. I am quite sure the upper echelon of these companies made dividend and bonus checks (with more than 6 zeros attached to them) on more than 1 occasion. It would seem a perfect opportunity to re-invest in their company, and bail it out. Afterall, it is what small businesses have to do when the going gets tough...there are no government guaranteed loans to help the little guys.

I agree, it is very scary!!!! Perhaps this is corporate karma coming back to bite the greedy in the butt...I just hope we don't all get bitten as well!
 
I say Lehman Brothers "Big Boys Checks" get used to pay some of this mess they are in, give your bonsus' back...

I agree. Take back all of the money given over the last few years. They knew this was coming.

Unfortunately, it is not just those few people that get hurt. The impact will be far reaching and serious.
 
Here in UK.....

We here in the Uk (get ready for some classic British understatement)are feeling"the pinch a bit",locally lots of murmur and grumbling,big employers laying off or going down altogether,nationally Building societies being "rescued"(this was once called a takeover...with a windfall for members)but not in these tough times,call it a "rescue package", and to hell with dolling out the cash,to them as could use a little.Holiday airlines are folding,citing fuel costs and credit crunch!!!,holidaying Brits left abroad(some in US),and many travellers now not going anywhere.....Magazines are compiling lists of things people can do without"luxuries",when doing the weekly shop..luxuries like flowers are riding high on this list...(PERSONALLY i can do without lists..especially lists compiled by magazines/newspapers that sow a seed in the publics minds)but on a lighter note our Government have decided the best policy to combat this is to fall out amongst themselves and call for a leadership change.............if only i owned a football club....it's about the only property thats selling and then its to the Arabs..."up the Blues"....more like "up the Swanney"
 
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I agree. Take back all of the money given over the last few years. They knew this was coming.

Unfortunately, it is not just those few people that get hurt. The impact will be far reaching and serious.

Far reaching, for sure.

One of the effects of all this is that there will be NO money for the solid, solvent, small businesses looking for loans for Business improvement, for equipment loans, etc. Loans for businesses who have GREAT credit, a GREAT balance sheet, and a low risk.

I think we have really only seen the beginning. What about FDIC? Their pockets are only so deep too!

- H.
 
A lengthy post but interesting from a Canadian paper perspective. (emphasis mine)

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Stocks tumble on Lehman demise, takeover of Merrill; TSX hit by plunging oil

Malcolm Morrison, The Canadian Press

TORONTO - The Toronto stock market was down more than 350 points at midafternoon Monday as bank stocks suffered after two more big U.S. investment banks were overwhelmed by the collapse of the American housing sector.

Lehman Brothers sought bankruptcy protection while Merrill Lynch agreed to be taken over by Bank of America.

"The issue is they made this mess, they benefited from the upside, now they're paying the price," said Paul Vaillancourt, director of portfolio strategy at Franklin Templeton Managed Solutions in Calgary.

"They will be allowed to fail, and that's what is really unnerving the markets. It's truly the cleansing that's been necessary after years of greed."

But losses in the TSX financial sector were overshadowed by steep slides in energy and other commodity stocks.

Overall, the S&P/TSX composite index fell 351.76 points or 2.75 per cent to 12,417.82.

New York's Dow Jones industrial average was down 277.97 points to 11,144.02.

The Canadian dollar - pressured by sagging prices for oil and other resource exports - fell 0.76 cent to 93.48 cents US even as the American dollar slid against the euro.

The TSX Venture Exchange lost 57.24 points to 1,550.29.

The Nasdaq composite index was down 43.64 points to 2,217.63 and the S&P 500 gave back 30.94 points to 1,220.76.

Lehman's bankruptcy, caused by US$60 billion in bad debt largely related to the housing bubble, came as investor confidence evaporated after 158 years in business.

Merrill Lynch, the world's biggest stock brokerage, agreed to be taken over by Bank of America, the biggest U.S. bank in terms of retail deposits. The all-stock deal was valued at US$50 billion at Friday's share price, but Bank of America stock retreated $6.65 to US$27.09 while Merrill gained $1.97 to US$19.02.

Meanwhile, American International Group Inc., the largest insurance company in the world, is looking for emergency financing as it works on a restructuring.

Its stock dropped 45 per cent last week and fell another $6.43 or 52 per cent on Monday to US$5.71.

"I think people were hoping that there was going to be a saviour over the weekend and that hasn't happened," said Scott Fullman, director of derivatives investment strategy for WJB Capital Group in New York. "This is sort of groundbreaking type stuff."

Anxiety about the financial sector prodded the Toronto financial group down by almost two per cent. Royal Bank declined $1.50 to $47.70 and CIBC (TSX: CM.TO) lost $2.51 to $61.66, slightly off early lows as it said it doesn't have "large exposures" to Lehman.

The Toronto energy sector pulled back over four per cent as the October crude contract on the New York Mercantile Exchange fell $4.14 to US$97.04 a barrel after hurricane Ike largely spared Gulf of Mexico energy infrastructure while worries about the global economy weighed on oil prices.

"I think the markets are just fully focused on the downside - the gloomy global growth prospects and the financial chaos," Vaillancourt said.

"Unfortunately the TSX, with its high sector exposure to financials and commodities, is just taking it on the chin."

EnCana Corp. (TSX: ECA.TO) lost $1.90 to $69.79 and Suncor Energy (TSX: SU.TO) retreated $2.35 to $47.85.

The TSX metals and mining sector retreated by more than five per cent with Teck Cominco Ltd. (TSX: TCK-B.TO) down $1.21 to $37.80 and Fording Canadian Coal Trust (TSX: FDG-UN.TO) fell $6.42 to $84.58.

The gold sector was down three per cent even as investors bought bullion as a haven. The December gold contract on the Nymex rose US$22.50 to US$787 an ounce and Goldcorp Inc. (TSX: G.TO) faded $1.56 to $29.80.

Bond prices rose as investors sought the security of government debt, a week after the American government bailed out mortgage lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The Federal Reserve makes its next decision on interest rates Tuesday, with expectations suddenly increasing that it will trim the cost of money to spur on economic activity.

Overseas markets were down sharply in the wake of what some are calling the biggest reshaping of Wall Street since the Great Depression.

The FTSE 100 was down 2.2 per cent, while Germany's DAX fell 2.75 per cent and France's CAC-40 tumbled 3.8 per cent.

Markets in Japan, Hong Kong and South Korea were closed for holidays, but every Asian exchange that was open was deep in the red. Taiwan's benchmark lost 4.1 per cent.
 
One of the effects of all this is that there will be NO money for the solid, solvent, small businesses looking for loans for Business improvement, for equipment loans, etc. Loans for businesses who have GREAT credit, a GREAT balance sheet, and a low risk.

- H.
Oh I don't know Herb... I just got 4.9% this morning....my bank seems to be trying to give money away!

"The issue is they made this mess, they benefited from the upside, now they're paying the price," said Paul Vaillancourt, director of portfolio strategy at Franklin Templeton Managed Solutions in Calgary.

"They will be allowed to fail, and that's what is really unnerving the markets. It's truly the cleansing that's been necessary after years of greed."
No truer words... ya know, the time always comes when the piper wants his due.... tis time to pay the piper!!!

Like Da Skin said 5 years ago.... carry no debt! I say carry no debt you can't afford!
 
I asked...

A FEW WEEKS BACK,i asked my neighbour "what colour is the new car you've ordered"he replied with a smile"overdraft red"....don't think he's smiling much now though!!
 
BOSS's Quote of the day!!

Or as William Durant, founder of General Motors said, "if you're going to have debt, owe so much that they can't let you fail."
Oooohh... thanks for the "New Plan" Ted...

I wonder how far they'd let me go...I could use a new :scooter:
 
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