I don't, but my Father in Law who lives in Buffalo, lived through this great time.
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How can we fill those factories again?
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How can we fill those factories again?
Remember when we were great?
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Connie
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It's a different world now.
That was also in the day when a man's word was his bond, and an employee gave a day's work for a day's pay. You know that Tom Brokaw calls these workers The Greatest Generation, and I believe that they were just that.
That was also in the day when a man's word was his bond, and an employee gave a day's work for a day's pay. You know that Tom Brokaw calls these workers The Greatest Generation, and I believe that they were just that.
For some reason I can never see what you post in pictures Thom.
Anyway, I like to think there is greatness in every generation.
V
Anyway, I like to think there is greatness in every generation.
V
We have filled those factories again. Those factories are still humming, the only thing that has changed is that they are now in China.
Did you hear the part about "smokestacks writing in the sky". The liberals have made that illegal. Smokestacks are bad for the US. It's pollution. And if you haven't heard pollution is bad. By removing the smokestack and a small by product, ie the factories they were connected to, we are saving our country. All we gave up was the jobs those workers had in those factories. It seems that China doesn't see the problems those smokestacks create.
But remember, those liberals have replaced those jobs with extended unemployment benefits and mortgage modifications. Unions used to benefit the masses, but today they protect the chosen few with great benefits and pensions. Too bad about the rest. And the pictures of all those workers laboring have been replaced with union workers who go to work clean and come home clean. They earn 8 hours of pay by putting in 5 hours of work. But they build the best cars that $40,000 can buy. These cars are well within the reach of an average American consumer.
Things are much better today.
Fox I totally agree with you. This movie was made by Chysler right after the big Union in response to them losing the suit.
And I agree we oughta close all regulations and start competing against China again. As long as we keep them smoke stacks open in Michigan, it doesn't affect me.
Hey dis you see the pics I posted of the unregulated smoke stacks in China? Don't bother searching, I'll post them again for you.
I agree, things are much better today.
And I agree we oughta close all regulations and start competing against China again. As long as we keep them smoke stacks open in Michigan, it doesn't affect me.
Hey dis you see the pics I posted of the unregulated smoke stacks in China? Don't bother searching, I'll post them again for you.
I agree, things are much better today.
Oh, wrong again my liberal buddy!
I am for controlling pollution. But it has to be done in such a way that it doesn't cause people to lose their jobs.
Liberals only see their "cause" as being right, and solutions be @@@@ed.
Today, liberals are pushing "alternative" energy as the solution to our precieved energy problems. They are mandating sun, solar, and ethanol. The only problem with these is that they all cost more than what we have today. THE SOLUTION. Make what we have today more expensive and therefore these "alternatives" look less expensive.
Don't let American oil companies explore and drill for oil here in our country. Instead, force them to go into areas of the world that have political instability. This makes the supply lines unstable and prices open to wide variations due to the uncertainity.
Mandate that power companies generate solar and wind power. Even though both of these are unreliable due to weather constraints. Add to that the power grid is not able to handle this uncertain power supply and what you end up with is consumers and companies being faced to pay higher prices for their energy and higher taxes in order to maybe have a system to handle this new energy.
Mandate by way of pollution regulations the kind of cars our car makers have to build even though their reliability is questionable, their price is much higher than the average person can afford, and the power grid may not be able to handle it.
WHAT DOES IT ADD UP TO? It adds up to pictures of those factories you posted about going empty. It adds up to those workers losing their homes. It adds up to liberal law makers searching every corner of the global to find ways to extract more money out of the people who still have jobs in order to finance their new economy.
The liberals in government would rather punish our industries to try to achieve their goals, rather than partner with industry into making our country better.
Remember Al Gore won the Noble Peace prize for his stance on global warming. What the other countries were all excited about was now that they had America believing in their fantasy, they knew all those great American jobs would migrate to their counties.
Heck, look at China. One of the largest wind farms in North America is being financed by our taxpayers in Texas. It will be about 36,000 square miles, Government reports state that this will create about 28,000 new jobs. What is not being loudly published is the fact that those wind turbines are being made in China. It is estimated that only 15 % of those jobs will end up being here for American workers. What a great use for our tax dollars, but it does go to pushing that Liberal agenda a little further along.
Actually the turbines are a joint venture between China financiers, manufactures, and the US. GE makes the gearbox. The other finances will come through the stimulus package. I actually saw two of the blades being transported down 1-95, I didn't realize how huge they were, amazing. I think it sucks that they are not being manufactured in the US. I would like to know why not when we have a company in Michigan that is gearing up to make a more efficient system. http://statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=63352
I listened to commentary on NPR last week about the new grid and wind farms being planned. Something like 400 mega watts to power up the US daily, one farm will produce 100 mw. Like you said there are climate conditions, but they have figured out the number of farms that will average output to give us 100 plus total demand.
I am all for the stimulus only if it is surgically spent on US needs. This is where I'm losing face with the administration. From the photos I posted, we are manufacturing wind turbine blades in China that is suppose to help clean our planet that in turn is poisoning our planet???
As far as oil goes, I am all for getting rid of it. As for alternative energy for cars, have you ever watched "Who killed the Electric Car"? Chrysler did. And sold it to the Oil companies. There is an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil left in the earth's crust, at $80 dollars a barrel that's a but load of money, the world consumes 90 million barrels a day, so you and I will be debating this for several more years. It's not a lib or con thing, it's money and thats the way it is.
I listened to commentary on NPR last week about the new grid and wind farms being planned. Something like 400 mega watts to power up the US daily, one farm will produce 100 mw. Like you said there are climate conditions, but they have figured out the number of farms that will average output to give us 100 plus total demand.
I am all for the stimulus only if it is surgically spent on US needs. This is where I'm losing face with the administration. From the photos I posted, we are manufacturing wind turbine blades in China that is suppose to help clean our planet that in turn is poisoning our planet???
As far as oil goes, I am all for getting rid of it. As for alternative energy for cars, have you ever watched "Who killed the Electric Car"? Chrysler did. And sold it to the Oil companies. There is an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil left in the earth's crust, at $80 dollars a barrel that's a but load of money, the world consumes 90 million barrels a day, so you and I will be debating this for several more years. It's not a lib or con thing, it's money and thats the way it is.
TOTO
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So, let MEE SEE HEAR Andy?
China's coal mines are operating 24/7/365 with three shifts, and on Holidays too!
Then, BHO stated he will make our Coal mines, especially in Virgina, so expensive to operate (more taxes and more regulations), that they will be forced to shut down completely.
Make any sense to anyone?
China's coal mines are operating 24/7/365 with three shifts, and on Holidays too!
Then, BHO stated he will make our Coal mines, especially in Virgina, so expensive to operate (more taxes and more regulations), that they will be forced to shut down completely.
Make any sense to anyone?
I believe you. That arsenic must have destroyed some brain cells.
And as I have stated before Liberals all about the cause. I'll bet there hasn't been a liberal who has spoken to a coal miner in those mountains about how they feel about losing their jobs. Or has asked how those miners will provide for their families going forward.
And I'll bet there hasn't been one thought about the impact of those higher prices for electricity on millions of American households. Or better yet, how many more of those factories lock the doors and move to countries that can supply them cheap energy.
But it was nice of you to post that nice video of America back when we made something. I think back then the flowers florists sold were grown in America. The glass vases were made in Toledo at the now closed Libby factories. People bought furniture made in North Carolina. Those were the quiant old days when people had jobs.
Don't tell the West Virginians they are brain dead from Arsenic, it's a touchy subject especially with parents who have children. Jobs for WVirginians? Dynamite and Dosers these days. They are asking Obama to stop the mining companies from dumping in streams because the waters, especially the ground waters are well, ruined.
The only companies that move around are the reckless ones that don't abide by EPA rules for land reclamation. Sort of bad apples-hit and run. But the coal industry has been regulated for 80 years.
To fill the factories again, kill NAFTA. Korea regulates 9,000 US Cars, they send us 900,000. Didn't we save their buts from the North once?
But when our president imposes a tariff on Chinese tires?
I don't know, maybe we should have a panel of non government industry experts set the prices that our manufactures need to make to be profitable, and then require any foreign manufacture that wishes to export to our market meet those prices. I think it's a good idea because then we compete on quality not price which makes the markets more competitive, and you and I both know how Americans love competition.
The part of my post about dead brain cells was about you, not the people of West Virginia.
And the dynamite and dozers you talk about is also regulated. You can put a shovel in the ground with EPA studies and a couple of dozen other federal agencies OK. But the Liberals make it seem that no regulation exists. WHAT THEY WANT IS NOT REGULATION, BUT ELIMINATION OF THOSE INDUSTRIES. And the only West Virginians asking Obama for help are those who live in Washington DC.
And you talk about killing NAFTA. That was passing during reign of that great LIBERAL leader, CLINTON. The liberals created the mess for American businesses by making it easier for those foreign companies to sell their product here. And now they make it seem that the problem exists because of the other side and therefore the fix is more regulation.
Audra
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Technically correct but not 100% - you can't blame the liberals for this mess. The signatures on the NAFTA agreement are Brian Mulroney (Conservative - Canada), George HW Bush (Republican - US) and Carlos Salinas (Mexico). Clinton was newly president was ratified, it was passed by a House of Representatives (132 republicans, 102 democrats).
NAFTA was so grossly unpopular in Canada that it killed Mulroney's popularity. The Conservative Party was effectively destroyed in Canada at that time.
Audra (proud owner of a Free Canada, Trade Mulroney t-shirt)
Connie
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Audra, technically you are correct. But the politics of this at the time was, that the Liberals were against NAFTA and it took Clinton to garner enough support for NAFTA to pass.
Also in today's paper, it was noted that finally some liberal lawmakers in Washington are questioning the idea that $787 million dollars are going to be spent funding the wind farm in Texas being built using Chinese turbines. Someone came up with a novel idea. They think that American taxpayer stimulus money should spent here in America.