Time line on Making a Dozen of Roses?
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6 minutes absolute start to absolute finish on the roses. Absolute start= from the time you look at the order until the time it's put on the delivery table and the ticket i s put up.
How many designs in a 4 hour work day? Depends on the designer and what else they are suppose to do.
Me- I could do at least 20+ in addition to answering the phone- wait on customers- sweep the floor, blah blah blah
The designer should be making an hourly wage.
How many designs in a 4 hour work day? Depends on the designer and what else they are suppose to do.
Me- I could do at least 20+ in addition to answering the phone- wait on customers- sweep the floor, blah blah blah
The designer should be making an hourly wage.
Wow I had no Ideal is this 6 minutes of fresh cuts using foam tape and greenry and filler and bows making them once design is completed? Or you saying just on a average floral designs of example of roses in water and no taping foam and just greenry? How many yrs. experience do you have at this?
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Like Shannon says as well.
Picking the greenery and roses and making as a handtied as you go, adding the final greenery, tying off, wrapping in the precut wrap ( we have hundreds of wraps cut ready) cutting the stems and adding the bow. Cards etc are added only when item is going for delivery
Picking the greenery and roses and making as a handtied as you go, adding the final greenery, tying off, wrapping in the precut wrap ( we have hundreds of wraps cut ready) cutting the stems and adding the bow. Cards etc are added only when item is going for delivery
As a general rule of thumb.....I am a 26+ year veteran designer and this is the rule of thumb I refer to when I gauge the abilities of a new hire. If they are answering the phones and waiting on customers, then I want the designer to AVERAGE 12 designs a day.....average price 50.00 retail selling price per design. If they are NOT answering the phones and waiting on customers and strictly designing, then I want that AVERAGE to be 20 designs per day with the average price per design around the 50.00 mark.
These are AVERAGES as obviously......a 150.00 design should take longer to make than a 50.00 one. A modern, contemporary, tropical design with the woven leaves should take more time to create than a traditional dozen roses with leatherleaf and gypsphilia.
More important to me is HOW the designer create the work.......For example......setting TWO identical vases on the workstation, getting double the amount of required flowers for the prescribed design ( whether you are using a wire recipe or your own is moot ), it should take no longer to make TWO arrangements side by side at the same time than it take to create one designn at a time. You have then....ONE design for the order and one for the display cooler.
These are AVERAGES as obviously......a 150.00 design should take longer to make than a 50.00 one. A modern, contemporary, tropical design with the woven leaves should take more time to create than a traditional dozen roses with leatherleaf and gypsphilia.
More important to me is HOW the designer create the work.......For example......setting TWO identical vases on the workstation, getting double the amount of required flowers for the prescribed design ( whether you are using a wire recipe or your own is moot ), it should take no longer to make TWO arrangements side by side at the same time than it take to create one designn at a time. You have then....ONE design for the order and one for the display cooler.
I'm saying no matter how the dozen is done it should be done in 6 minutes or less. Period. Regardless if the dozen is done in foam or plain vase.
I disagree with Ricky (RWK) slightly... I think it don't take much longer to create a $150 arrangement than it does to make a $50. I really don't. If weaving is involved- perhaps, but when you weave a palm that palm goes from being $2 to $10.
Last week I made 11 centerpieces in just under 1 hour. They were $55 each and the customer provided the containers. They were made with green pitt, israli, green ivy, green hydrangea, pink roses, mauve mini carns and white statice.
A casket spray should only take 30 minutes. Funeral baskets should only take 10 minutes or less, cascading bridal bouquets 30 minutes tops. Unless A LOT of taping and wireing is involved.
I'll be 40 this year and have been in the biz since I was 12. I became a full time designer when I was 19 and could do a 6 minute dozen about 2 years after that...And that's when roses were wired! Thank goodness I don't wire roses anymore! The first year of being a "designer" (when I was 19) I was only allowed to make rondy moundys in green design dishes and tea cup and mug arrangements. At the time I hated it- but it made me a better designer.
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25 year veteran here, been designing since I was 14 can remember a time when a dozen roses took me better part or 20-30 minutes to create, now I could sell roses vases all day at 5-6 minutes a dozen...I agrre with Shannon shouldn't matter much what medium the arrangement is done on time..
Are you a new designer/owner?
Are you a new designer/owner?
BOSS
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Roses... 5-6 minutes... designs in an 8 hour day... 30-40 or so including answering phone and processing flowers here in an 8 hour day...
Roses... in foam??... nope...
Roses... in foam??... nope...
My time is 5 minutes from start to finish, but, I don't expect quite that much from an employee (although, maybe I should). You might cut your time by not making a grid from tape and by not using a bow. The majorily of flower shops do not do this anymore. Of course, this depends on your customer base.
I haven't used tape in 30 years. The residue it leaves on containers is offensive, plus if it is done correctly, there is no need.
I haven't used tape in 30 years. The residue it leaves on containers is offensive, plus if it is done correctly, there is no need.
BOSS
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Yea... so... I work 12's so I only gave the design time... cut it in half...
Did you get up on the wrong side this morning??? LOL
No- I just wanted to make sure you understood the question. Lots of times I don't read the question right- that's all.
BOSS
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Another point to stress....is the importance of what is called a 'time and motion study'. For example.....How many trips to the cooler, the sink, to get a vase, to the ribbon rack, to the card area....does it take for that designer to make that dozen roses......For instance.....In one circular trip, I can get the vase, the pre-made bow, the greens, the filler, the roses, and the card.....IN ONE TRIP/STEP. If your designer goes to the cooler to get the roses...then taken them back to the table, then another trip to get the greens, than another walk to get the vase, then even more time going to get the card.....too much time wasted.
Again, something like that example is reflective of how well that designer will work in the shop. Also, important is the qualilty of the work presented. I'd rather see a designer work slightly slower and make sure the mechanics are FLAWLESS, the techniques PERFECT, the arrangement/design being the best it can be created. I know one designer.....takes her about 8 minutes to create a dozen roses.....but the stems are not cut clean, there is always fern dust and stem debris in the water, and filler placed unevenly.....She does NOT work for us. If she would slow down slightly.....and take the time to make sure her techniques were flawless, I would find her more valuable a potential hire.
Again, something like that example is reflective of how well that designer will work in the shop. Also, important is the qualilty of the work presented. I'd rather see a designer work slightly slower and make sure the mechanics are FLAWLESS, the techniques PERFECT, the arrangement/design being the best it can be created. I know one designer.....takes her about 8 minutes to create a dozen roses.....but the stems are not cut clean, there is always fern dust and stem debris in the water, and filler placed unevenly.....She does NOT work for us. If she would slow down slightly.....and take the time to make sure her techniques were flawless, I would find her more valuable a potential hire.
secretgarden
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Ricky, I agree. If you are having to "fix" things on the way out the door, because the designer didn't do it right, how much time is that saving the shop as a whole. Ohhhh I love the many trips to the cooler... the slow stroll to the ribbon rack, hand on chin, picking out colors, oh what color to use today. So this is my response, "When your done with that one, we are slow enough you can go home".
If there are lots of issues with multiple trips just to get started on an arrangement it may be worth re-arranging the work flow of your design room and/or shop to be more efficient. Sometimes it's the lay out of everything that's the problem rather than the designers. There is a take out restaurant near me that I can't stand to go to because I want to leap over the counter and re-arrange everything in a more logical way to speed things up. Drives me bonkers to watch them go back and forth back and forth to get things that should be next to each other.
My point exactly, I am tomorrow, moving my worktable in a whole different configuration, just to make my job that much quicker.....I am right-handed, and I have developed my knife technique to where the stems will almost always hit the trash can.....However, My current workstation is set up for a LEFT handed person, so I end up standing on a pile of trash. The layout of a workspace is CRUCIAL to getting the most efficient work out of your designers.
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Shannon is being modest ///I CAN do it in THAT time....she forgot to mention that she does this while whistling a tune from Perry Como, and INCLUDES a pee break!