what we don't like

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sklepikova

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Sorry for such a negative question.............:redface2:
but every time i make a corsage or a fanshape funeral arrangement i think about it............
so... Is there any technique/material/style or type of design that you don't feel confident/comfortable with (or simply don't like it)???????????????? Why??????
and how do you try to help it? Doesn't our attitude effects the result?
 
Simple...

Question one.... Martha

Question two.... Martha

;)
 
I don't like to make sprays. I think it is because I am short and can't see what I am doing. I have never personally liked sprays either. It's a good thing my designer loves to make them. LOL
 
I don't like football shaped centerpieces (except at Christmas) because for some reason there is always a Side A and a Side B.
 
BOSS said:
Simple...

Question one.... Martha

Question two.... Martha

;)
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This may be my answer also. I don't feel comfortable with the "wads," especially the short stemmed ones, chinning themselves on the edge of the vase.

What am I doing to address this? I seek out the websites of florists who seem to do this style well, and I attend every design program that comes around, trying to learn and be inspired.
 
Connie said:
What am I doing to address this? I seek out the websites of florists who seem to do this style well, and I attend every design program that comes around, trying to learn and be inspired.
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I could not have said it better Connie. As a member of AIFD, I am always constantly, learning, inspiring other designers and being inspired by other designers.

Also, I endeavor to always seek a better and easier way to do a design style if it is a style that I don't care for. A Good example: A cute, cheesy, gimmicky, Valentine design......I don't really like cutesy, but cutesy SELLS, So, I just simply add in a little tweak here and there to differentiate it from the norm a little bit and just keep on going.
 
What are your problems with your corsages or fan shaped funeral arrangements?

joe

btw, you just hit a raw puss infected nerve with me and a former designer of mine with the two products products your mentioned.
 
to Joe

not an easy question!!!!!!!!!
though it's easier to answer about fan shape arrangement (probably, because i've heard explanation from another designer and found the same opinion in a couple books). the nature of a fan shape itself doesn't give a designer many chances to work with depth or line. i think (just my opinion!!!!!!!!!!!) that it's the most flat and the most stiff type of arrangement you can possibly do. and in this case i wouldn't agree that it's just a lack of experience or creativity.......actually, it's even worse with fan shape arrangements from WS books where greens+glads or snapdragons or larkspur or smth else create a wall..............and i'm not talking now about creative aspect that designers can bring in any type of arrangement...............it's just.............no matter what i do my fan shape arrangements look as bad as they could
and only my pin-on corsages could possibly look worse than them.....:)
but here.............well...................it's just the matter of my own personal preferences. i see a pin-on corsage as a variation of a boutonnier .........so.........for me (just for me!!!!!) it's something not feminine enough :) or way too official :) you see, Joe....it's just my attitude.......i've seen pretty interesting pictures of pin-on corsages................neat ideas, neat details .................but i'd go with a wrist corsage for a lady

just because of all this factors every time i start making of of these designs i'm totally frustrated and have no wish to make it. what you can always see looking at them. my attempt to resolve this problem? - to run away from it letting others to make it (and i understand that such an attitude is probably not very professional).
so don't don't you think that it's better for owners to know professional preferences of your designers and to let them work with arrangements that they feel comfotable with??????????? or do you think that it's professional to be a pro with every type??????????????
 
I hope this post doesn't offend or upset you after reading it.

If I am understanding you correctly.......I think the problem lies in, that you have not yet mastered the underlying patterns and fundamentals in creating either a pin-on corsage or a fan-shaped sympathy design or some of the more basic traditional designs.

You can get a great amount of depth within the shape and boundaries of a traditional fan-shaped sympathy design. You can use some of the newer gluing techniques to achieve some light-weight, interesting pin-on corsage designs as well as some of the more interesting decorative wires, beading, and other tiny trims out there.

Again, If I am understanding you correctly, Then what I would suggest is to take some courses with a professional teacher/ design instructor.......ideally with an AIFD member who has or works with a school, college, or training facility. It sounds to me like you have not yet mastered the underlying forms and patterns that the more traditional designs require.
 
Eventhough I am aware that each designer has his/her own design preference, even style, when an order comes in, that designer had better be willing and able to complete not just a satisfactory product, but an outstanding product in design and mechanics. Few things cause me to see red faster than a designer who says, "That's not my style," or "That's not my job." In my shop he/she needs to keep that attitude to themselves or pack up their apron....just don't throw it along with his/her knife at me and slam the door on the way out. (another thread)

And what Ricky said about the possiblity of creating depth in fan shaped designs and corsages is true. Also what he said about gluing techniques. He is right.
 
owner

We have some of the most talented designers that I have ever seen, they have ben with us over 16 years, they are great and they can design everything, we are so greatful for them. They are always willing to work anytime we need them. We pay them good for their work.
 
I will tackle anything in the shop. What I don't like.......Dish Gardens. If I had my own shop I wouldn't let them in the door... HATE them! :tongue:
 
Connie said:
Eventhough I am aware that each designer has his/her own design preference, even style, when an order comes in, that designer had better be willing and able to complete not just a satisfactory product, but an outstanding product in design and mechanics. Few things cause me to see red faster than a designer who says, "That's not my style," or "That's not my job." In my shop he/she needs to keep that attitude to themselves or pack up their apron....
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so......can you give me a name of at least (at least!!!!!!!!!!) 1 sprotsman who would be equally the best in hockey, tennis and wrestling?
or......a name of just 1 musician who would be absolutely outstanding playing piano, cello and condacting?????
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There's a lot of musicians that play multiple instruments.
 
I like to sell flowers...

My family has been doing the flower thing for over 40 years, like a lot of other people out here. But the 1 one that my mom & dad told me was dont intimidate your customers. I will and can make just about every design out there, our coolers is full of different choices. If someone wants a
round-mound ( now known as a martha) I am ready, If some wants a
high style ( or whatever you call a stylized design nowadays) I am ready.
If they want a fan shaped , mache funeral spray ( gag!) I am ready, because our customer base is wide- we still have customer from the 70's that expect that but I also have customers from now- that want the new simple styles, some want the shabby chic, a simple container the a few flowers just placed- I also have a lot of the 80's customers that want an excess of whatever is big & gaudy, more is always better, so when my customers say what do you like I ask what do you like.. because they are paying. But I only realy dispise
florist that are snobs and won't treat customers like customers, we have few in our metro area that laugh when they ask for carns in vase or babies breath, ( yes I know it is old fashioned, but you can't alienate your customers..) I wont put our name on a piece of crap dead arrangement but if it is fresh, and it is what the customer wanted than there happy and so am I.
We are versatile.
 
i guess my english is not as great as i thought about it .....:)
because..........what i'm trying to say.........it's not about snobism or rejecting customers...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no-no-no-no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's quite vice versa - giving them 100% (at least!!!!!) of what they can get for their money............
what i'm trying to say is that i'm far from doing outstanding job on pin-ons or fan shape arrangements.. and some other things..............and i'm honest and realistic about my skills......
thinking as a customer..........i'd go with an event floral designer planning a party..........and not with the one who makes 99% funeral arrangements.........
 
sklepikova said:
i guess my english is not as great as i thought about it .....:)
because..........what i'm trying to say.........it's not about snobism or rejecting customers...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no-no-no-no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's quite vice versa - giving them 100% (at least!!!!!) of what they can get for their money............
what i'm trying to say is that i'm far from doing outstanding job on pin-ons or fan shape arrangements.. and some other things..............and i'm honest and realistic about my skills......
thinking as a customer..........i'd go with an event floral designer planning a party..........and not with the one who makes 99% funeral arrangements.........
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I would suggest that if you do not like these types of arrangements you need to do more of them until you get very good at making them. Running away from the things you are not good at will only leave you to someday be alone in a shop not knowing how to help a customer because you never became comfortable with the style of design that they want...
 
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