Why do we have to make it so difficult sometime!

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Luc

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Why as a group of florist we have to make life so difficult at time.

I have been reading post of all kind, and people just have to analize, scrutinize everything.

I will take the thread about the contest.

It is a fun thread, something on a whim, something that should be easy enough but some people just have to take things out of context twist and turn things around and just make it hard.

I have seen this trend often in many threads.

So maybe I am just PMS'ing today but 'keep it simple please'

Luc
 
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I have been reading post of all kind, and people just have to analize, scrutinize everything...
So maybe I am just PMS'ing today but 'keep it simple please'
Luc

But that's the nature of the written word. It's permanent - so for some, they have the opportunity to anaylze, scrutinize, often misinterpret and re-anaylze again... :boggles: It's just human nature and very much a part of any community whether you are a florist, doctor or plumber. JMHO

Regarding the contest - it is being overworked by some and frankly I'm a little hesitant to enter. But that's my own insecurity and not the fault of others...
 
Question to those who don't want to enter the contest:
(This is my personal, unofficial, query)

If you are afraid to present a dozen roses to your peers, why would you send it to your customers?

We are professionals! If you aren't proud of what you do, don't do it - and don't charge for it ;)

Ryan
 
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I agree, it is so much about human nature...We florists as a group kind of make things harder than they need to be...that is basically the underlying debate between artsy florals and nicely put together arrangements...The customer definately does not see flowers the same way as a designer, because designers make it hard...we over think, over analyze and over state things to a fault....
 
A man with PMS? Has my dream come true? lol

Well Luc, we may not all like every thread here, but one thing is that it is a choice to participate in each thread. So just skip the ones that are not your thing and go back to being happy Luc! There are so many threads here each day there will be something for everyone!

Let me know if you need something for that PMS, I find a pitcher of cosmopolitans is a cure all!
 
Question to those who don't want to enter the contest:
(This is my personal, unofficial, query)

If you are afraid to present a dozen roses to your peers, why would you send it to your customers?

We are professionals! If you aren't proud of what you do, don't do it - and don't charge for it ;)

Ryan



Some people are just paralyzed by not being the best...I am a perfectionist and am many times paralyzed by the what ifs of competition. Having no experience with it entering a competition is a huge stumbling block of what if my ideas aren't fresh enough, what if my arragenment is just average, what if my picture doesn't look as good as it looks in real life, what if someone says something bad about it, Do I really have what it takes to compete nationally, what if someone else does something siilar...the list of what ifs goes on and on forever...

I know I am a good designer, I know I can be a better designer... I know my customers like what I do. But to be judged by people who can see every little flaw(unlike the majority of lay people) is a bit daunting...I do plan to enter, the nicer roses show up at the market on Monday and I plan to get my arrangement squared away tuesday and entered, a contest here on what I feel to be family and friends is a bit less daunting than a national competition. I bit more of a comfort zone, the reason being is I know who the real people are and who the jerky people are and can quantify the comments with a personality...
 
Question to those who don't want to enter the contest:
(This is my personal, unofficial, query)

If you are afraid to present a dozen roses to your peers, why would you send it to your customers?

We are professionals! If you aren't proud of what you do, don't do it - and don't charge for it ;)

Ryan

I am debating whether to enter or not. It all comes down to this

SALABLE.

There are designs shown by some on this board that would certainly generate an immediate complaint in my market. I am NOT saying they aren't artistic, professional, cool etc. I am just saying they would not sell in my market.

the dozen rose designs we sell here are pretty traditional. We jazz them up with different fillers, greenery etc but a dz roses here would be dissed in other markets as not upscale or "creative".

So do I want to spend time to enter this contest or spend the time marketing to a new prospective client opportunity that presented itself this morning.

I will be interested to see what is entered. But design competitions while thought provoking and unique do not always equate into a salable product with adequate vase life for the consumer.
 
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Oh Heavnes!!

I love ya Dalin!!! I also wondered this as well, I find that it was a great idea, and so be it, and O my, WEll,,Don't want to stir the pot to much, for the red dots may fly, and I won't be able to post anymore, that would be tough..Ryan you are so right!!!
 
Deciding whether to enter

Question to those who don't want to enter the contest:
(This is my personal, unofficial, query)

If you are afraid to present a dozen roses to your peers, why would you send it to your customers?

We are professionals! If you aren't proud of what you do, don't do it - and don't charge for it ;)

Ryan

I am one of those who hesitates to enter this contest.

I have absolutely no fear about my design ability. (believe me! no fear!)
I do have fear about the voting process.

The way the software is set-up brings voter personality into the voting. Knowing that everyone will see what score you gave to a design will affect the score you give. You may think the design deserves a 3, but knowing how folks will howl that you've hurt someone's feeling, you give it a 7 instead.
The results will not be fair with the way things will currently be scored.

I am always proud of the designs that make it to public viewing. The ones that don't make it off my design table are part of my learning process, and actually more valuable to me.
 
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I just flat think my posts get taken out of context. period.

Think I'll do the lurking thing again.....
 
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Fashion industry as model.

I am debating whether to enter or not. It all comes down to this

SALABLE.

There are designs shown by some on this board that would certainly generate an immediate complaint in my market. I am NOT saying they aren't artistic, professional, cool etc. I am just saying they would not sell in my market.

the dozen rose designs we sell here are pretty traditional. We jazz them up with different fillers, greenery etc but a dz roses here would be dissed in other markets as not upscale or "creative".

So do I want to spend time to enter this contest or spend the time marketing to a new prospective client opportunity that presented itself this morning.

I will be interested to see what is entered. But design competitions while thought provoking and unique do not always equate into a salable product with adequate vase life for the consumer.

Kristine,
I completely and thoroughly understand what you are saying. I hear this all the time at design programs. I understand. I understand.

BUT what many people who say this don't understand, is the power that "unsellable" designs can have for an industry.

What you are talking about is that a customer may see the design and may have insecurity about buying it without hand-holding. This always happens with a concept that is new or different. It is the job of the "sales person" (different from a "clerk", who just rings up a sale) to show the attributes of the design, explain why it could be preferable to what they are used to, and help bring the customer to the next level.

I sincerely believe that we lose a lot of potential sales because the public has lost excitement for the designs that most florists put out there. I'm not talking about losing a sale of someone who comes into your shop to buy flowers. I'm talking about people not thinking of flowers as an exciting gift or an exciting addition to their home. You think you're competing against other florists, but actually we are competing against any other place where people potentially spend discretionary income.

When people go to a Parade Of Homes, they may not actually want to buy every new concept they see, but seeing new over-the-top is what builds excitement about what they could do in their own home. Their home is level 2. The model home is level 10. They try to bring their home up to 3 or 4, not up to level 10.

Look at the fashion industry. Fashion week in NYC or Paris or Milan. Most of the designs are over-the-top. You don't see people wearing this stuff on the street every day. But this is the stuff that builds or breaks a reputation. The interest that is created by "non-sellable" fashions creates the reputation for the design lines that actually do sell. The sell watered-down versions. But the artsy stuff is what gets people interested.

My over-the-top artsy stuff may not always fly out the door, but it creates interest that brings people into my shop. Then they buy something that is close, but not quite as artsy. Sometimes the right customer actually wants the arty stuff, too.

Arthur from Babylon, who has a great gallery here at FC, has built his reputation in Denver by showing completely unsalable designs. Especially the bizarre flowers-in-hair fashion show stuff. But he sells small gorgeous hair pieces for brides and people going to parties. The weird stuff gets their attention. The watered-down version gets their wallets.

I did an over-the-top bridal bouquet made of just beargrass, wire and orchid blossoms for the wedding program on stage this year at AIFD. I made it again for the Colorado Retail Florists Association wedding bouquet design contest and won (pictures on my gallery page). All the other bouquets were cascading or massed. My artsy piece was exciting because it was so different. Salable? I've already had two brides book this bouquet (at $600) for their upcoming weddings - one this month, one in Oct. I plan to sell it many more times over the next year.

If an item is unsellable, it's often because the seller doesn't believe in the product being sold or because of lack of sales ability. Can every good sales person sell every product to every customer? No, of course not. But most people who say that something isn't salable just don't want to sell it or can't sell it.

I know that styles need to be appropriate for people's lifestyles. Part of what a designer must do is make adjustments with this in mind.

I hope that some of the artsy "non-salable" designs get votes based on their design, and not just what people "think" might sell in their shops. If the top 12 are safe salable items, it will create little excitement for the public or for florists.
 
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We are all making this WAY too hard.

Do you understand the POWER that we have here on this board? Do you understand that if we blog, post, vote and make a big deal about all of the entries that we will have some serious link juice built up when it comes to Valentine's Day or any other occasion where roses are ordered? Imagine customers coming to the photo gallery of THIS SITE to search for designs that they want to order. Imagine getting calls from consumers that say "I saw this design on flowerchat, can you make it for me?" It can happen. I know I sound like a cheerleader but, I'd rather hear that a customer saw a design on FC than I would TFTDPF1800.

No matter if they are dressed up dozens or crazy avant-garde designs. Seriously, I don't think there are any "bad designers" on this board.
 
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If you build it, they will come

I am debating whether to enter or not. It all comes down to this

SALABLE.

There are designs shown by some on this board that would certainly generate an immediate complaint in my market. I am NOT saying they aren't artistic, professional, cool etc. I am just saying they would not sell in my market.

the dozen rose designs we sell here are pretty traditional. We jazz them up with different fillers, greenery etc but a dz roses here would be dissed in other markets as not upscale or "creative".

So do I want to spend time to enter this contest or spend the time marketing to a new prospective client opportunity that presented itself this morning.

I will be interested to see what is entered. But design competitions while thought provoking and unique do not always equate into a salable product with adequate vase life for the consumer.

Many, many moons ago when "modern" or "European" arrangements were starting to come forth we knew we wouldn't have much chance in selling them in our market, but we made sure that we ALWAYS had something modern & creative on display to show our customers what we are capable of, and to try to educate them about modern trends. Now our sales are 50/50 traditional and modern (although most of our trad arrangements usually have a modern twist).

I found this line worked well when we first started to really push the mod arrangements: "Is it for a young person? Because this style is very traditional* but something like this is more modern & suitable for a young person"

* If I got the right vibes and thought I could say it without causing offence I would even say "old fashioned"

Another thing to consider with the more artsy styles is you don't have try something from the extreme end if you want to make something that will sell. Or you can mix modern and traditional elements. An example of this would be an "A" shape arrangement where the flowers are grouped.

As always, we've gotta educate the customer.

PS Sorry for the threadjack, but this is a topic I have always found interesting.
 
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