Wire In Woes

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Lady Biker Florist

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Now that we are rid of FTD.COM and them finally FTD we have had lots less wire ins of course. We still have TF and so still do get some, just not near as many. This is a good thing. I take wire ins seriously and do not just fill them with "whatever", just to fill it. So with that in mind - an order came in on VD and it was for a pic. The container was a small SQUARE glass thing the same size as a bubble ball. The flowers were pink roses, dahlias, and filler. All with TF know the pic most likely. It was a headquarters order so I looked at the TF website for any sub disclaimers and saw that it was clearly stated the subbing was an acceptable practice with keeping in mind the same look and value. Well, I don't know about you, but I just don't have SQUARE glass containers sitting around and did not think most would have either. I opted to use a bubble ball. It looked very much like the pic and was very cute and flowers were very fresh and overall was a good sub. Got a call complaining the container was supposed to be square. Explained the TF sub rules posted right on the site and they were ok, but they had to add they still think it would have looked better in a square glass container.

All this said to remind me that filling wire ins is a pain in the a$$ that I would not miss iffen I decide to get out of the WS game entirely. You get in an order, you scrutinize it to make sure you don't miss any pertinent info (some florists put important stuff in the weirdest places) and then you proceed with caution to fill as best as you can. Only to have them complain. We get very few complaints on local orders. VERY few. The ratio of complaints on wire ins to local is way too high. Is this from a poor sales job on the selling end, so the customer does not understand subbing may occur? How many florists have EVERY container in the TFTD books? How many florists can carry every flower in every color known to man in their cooler at all times? How many florists have every container in the selection guides? People selling wire outs need to be educated on how to do it so the senders expectations match reality.

I know it's not poor quality that they complain about, it's that something is different than they expected. Gee whiz florists - get a clue, ya know? I always make sure when taking a wire out order to stress they are not buying a picture, but a look.

Sorry for the rant, just gets under my skin when I have to take the blame and look bad and it was really the seller's bad selling. Maybe the key is to not fill for headquarters. I reject most of them already, but in certain moods I do accept some. I guess I'll have to overcome those weak moments and moods.

Hope you all are having a pleasant and restful Sunday!
 
Patty,
When I send out of town, I make sure the consumer knows that "that vase or basket may not be available". A different container may be utilized. Also most shops don't carry every flower shown in the book and our second choice is always "As similar as possible"
Having had wire services of one kind or another for 30 years, I think I can honestly say that 9 times out of 10, there is something in the picture we don't have. Very few complaints through the years.
The seller is not being truthful with THEIR customer, hence my disclaimer which goes out with every dotcom order.
Luckily, we had only 5 incoming orders for Valentine's and two of them were for funerals...
 
I would be really interested to find out how the wire services did this holiday. I have a feeling that they tanked. No body that I know recieved more than a few incoming wire orders. We had 9 total. Even considering that V-day is not a traditional WS holiday, this is still way way down from past years.
 
For THIS....

the blame rests SOLEY with the wire services.
lately, the bottom line is the ONLY thing that counts, and, the "war" for "dominance" of the marketplace, has diminished the "morals" of our industry!!, with the wire services leading the charge!
It has ALL HURT our industry reputation and image, and we the florists, those of us that attempt to hold to higher standards, and often left behind, because WE CAN'T STAND the degradation of the flower business into JUST a "commodity" market!
I STILL MAINTAIN, that EVERYTHING in our industry could be solved by FULLY QUALIFYING all it's "players", and enforcing those qualifications, right down to the wholesalers and growers.
The major market growers such as RIO ROSES, have realized the error of their ways, and has made MAJOR strategic shifts in the way they do business.....all the way to US, the final product distributors!!
Up until NOW, since ANYBODY could get into our industry with little to no experience, and little to no knowledge, and little to no training, EVERYONE HAS...and we ALL WILL SUFFER, until this enigma is corrected!
I'm going to say this "tongue in cheek"....florists are generally melancholy...as long as that "phantom order" pops up on their Merc, or Dove, or Fax, or by pigeon, or by phone, they feel that all is well!!
Many "florists" don't seem to care too much for the state of our industry...so be it!
Mike
 
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Originally posted by Mikey the Flower Guy
Many "florists" don't seem to care too much for the state of our industry...so be it! Mike

Sadly true... any resemblence to the past state of the industry is mearly coincidental...

And the current incarnation leaves little to be desired in many ways.

mark
 
Re: For THIS....

Originally posted by Mikey the Flower Guy
the blame rests SOLEY with the wire services.
lately, the bottom line is the ONLY thing that counts...

I really have to disagree.

The blame lies solely with the SENDING SHOPS who will say anything and promise anything to get the order. "Let the filling shop take care of the details." It's the bottom line of the SENDING SHOP that is priority.

The wire services provide a service. We pay them for that service. We don't pay them to provide morals, ethics or common sense that is found lacking in flower shops.
 
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Originally posted by Infinite
I really have to disagree.

The blame lies solely with the SENDING SHOPS who will say anything and promise anything to get the order. "Let the filling shop take care of the details." It's the bottom line of the SENDING SHOP that is priority.

I have to disagree with your thoughts Ryan.........most florist to florist orders are not a problem, It's the order gatherers that are diguised as florists with mega web sites showing every item in the selection guide and then some, and state that the items can be delivered anytime-anywhere within 2 or 3 hours!!! and the dot cons are part of that scenario!!
 
I think both BJ and Ryan are correct! As BJ says the OG's are a problem with their "we can do anything, cheaper and better" attitude that disappoints their CONedSUMER and Ryan is also correct because I have found florists who promise many of the same things. We can only be vigilent in refusing to fill orders that come with the "as similar as" tag on 60.00 orders that are for a 125.00 item !
Our wire order total for Val was 1!!! We also received two F2F orders; thank you Ryan for one of them and a fellow florist here in Nfld for the other (she is becoming a FWAC judging from a conversation with her). All other orders were direct 100% orders and since I answered many of the incoming calls I know we received new direct customers as well.
 
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Originally posted by BBJ (Big Bad John)
I have to disagree with your thoughts Ryan.........most florist to florist orders are not a problem, It's the order gatherers that are diguised as florists ...


That's still the sending shop ... or sending entity. Not necessarily the WS. TF doesn't have a direct .com like ftd.com, so that's the only WS OG that fits your description.
 
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Originally posted by Infinite
That's still the sending shop ... or sending entity. Not necessarily the WS. TF doesn't have a direct .com like ftd.com, so that's the only WS OG that fits your description.

I concur, it's the fault of the "Order Taker" and not the WS that allows for the transmission of the order thats at fault.

I fill for Da Dot, but thats the only OG I allow to play my game, and ONLY because the orders are always over my minimums, and they allow me some latitude especially at holidays....

As to Ryans other comment.... I look for TF.CON to emerge this year sometime before the fall holidays...they will not be able to sit on the sidelines for ever where consumer direct sales are concerned, and grow their profits.

"IF" the goal is to grow profits, we know they can not do it thru fees(TAXES) and the only other valid department (except containers) being technology, that does not offer short term cash flow as the margins on the hardware are low, will not stuff the coffers....and the technology arena is becoming more and more iffy all the time...
 
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