WS Guide for a "micro" florist

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goldfish

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Don't forget the most common complaint - I hear it EVERY week: "I don't get enough incoming orders from XX Wire Service."

The above quote is from another thread, but it reminded me of the idea that I have been meaning to throw in here: the number of incoming orders does matter, especially for a "micro" florist. By "micro" florists, I mean those with a revenue of less than ~300K a year, which includes us and, I suspect, the majority of FC members.

In this thread, I will argue that (1) the requirement of a WS for a larger florist is fundamentally different from that for a micro florist, (2) the number of incoming orders does matter for a micro florist. I'm not sure I will succeed, but I will try anyway.

Difference in WS requirements between larger and micro florists.

It is important to recognize this. When varying opinions are expressed in this board, it is sometimes difficult to see where they are coming from. What works for a big florist may not be applicable for a micro florist.

A big florist needs a WS to send a large number of outgoing orders efficiently. There simply is no good alternative right now, other than wire services.

For a micro florist, however, the number of outgoing orders is tiny, usually just a few a day at most. With this kind of number, there are many alternatives to wire services. We can simply phone out the order, or use a cheaper WS-alterantive such as FSN or IFN, among others.

Micro florists do not need a WS to send outgoing orders. There would be little net gain for them to join a WS, if all they do with the WS is to send outgoing orders.

That's not the case for a large florist who must send tens or hundreds of orders a day. WS does save money for them. Also important, a micro florist who actively gather outgoing orders (via YP or web site) does need a WS. For them (let's call them micro OGs), outgoing orders will make money even after WS fees.

The number of incoming orders is important for a micro florist with WS

The above should be self-explanatory. Unfortunately, the idea that "outgoing orders make money, while incoming orders lose money" has become a dogma without much needed scrutiny.

True, for a big florist, outgoing orders do make a lot of money, if they are sending out a lot of orders. And it is also true that, to make the same amount of money with incoming orders, a big florist would need to hire extra personnel, which would dramatically decrease the profit margin of incoming orders (same effect as doubling/tripling COGS). They would need perhaps 3-4 incoming orders to make the profit equivalent to one local order.

Now, that's not the case for a micro florist. For most micro florists, they don't need to hire extra personnel to handle incoming orders (if they do need to hire, the situation would be similar to a big florist; incoming orders won't be as profittable). Most of us are one-two person operation, so there is always excess labors left to be utilized.

In this situation, incoming orders can generate a postive cash flow under a certain condition. The number of orders must be greater than that needed to pay for the monthly fee. Without labor, the gross profit margin of incoming orders is around 30-35% (roughly half of local orders). If the monthly fee is $300, you would need about $1,000 incoming orders a month, to break even.

Equally important, the number of incoming orders must be small enough so that you don't have to hire one more person to do the work. If you do, the margin might plummet to 10-15% or even less.

For a typical micro florist, what this means is that they would need at least 20-30 orders a month, but no more than 100-150 orders a month. That's the window that could generate a positive cash flow.

A few more thoughts

It is also important to consider the impact of your business decision on your competitors, too. Say, you are currently a WS member and thinking to quit because there aren't enough incoming orders. Chances are that your competitors are thinking the same. If so, and if you quit, they would be saved. Becaue of that, if you aren't making any money from a WS (just break even), it is not an easy thing to decide whether you should quit or not. You don't want to "help" your competitors.

Finally, perhaps most importantly, a micro florist who depends on incoming orders is fundamentally unhealthy businesswise. My opinion is that revenue from incoming orders should not exceed 10-15% of your total revenue.

Our store, for example, has a way too much exposure, 30-35% right now, mostly to FTD. This is quite unhelathy and risky. It is like having a single customer controlling 1/3 of your revenue. This is a legacy of the previous owner, and we have been trying hard to reduce this reliance on WS orders. I don't plan to do that overnight, though. My inclination is to do it steadily and gradually. Thanks for reading.:beer
 
You have described very well how I feel about our shops wire orders. When I expalined to the TF rep that our shop was near the point of needing extra help and I didn't want it to be wire orders that pushed us to do that, he couldn't wrap his mind around that thought at all. The WS we use has helped us get product out that would have been difficult for a new shop, and I do appreciate how much that has helped us grow. But it's hard not to hate'em. They sure give you plenty of reasons to want to kick them to the curb!
It's been good to here from people who fight the same fight.
Proud "micro-Floist" (but if I live long enough I want to try life as one of the big dogs!)
 
A few more thoughts

It is also important to consider the impact of your business decision on your competitors, too. Say, you are currently a WS member and thinking to quit because there aren't enough incoming orders. Chances are that your competitors are thinking the same. If so, and if you quit, they would be saved. Becaue of that, if you aren't making any money from a WS (just break even), it is not an easy thing to decide whether you should quit or not. You don't want to "help" your competitors.


Goldfish: I would be willing to bet that most every florist has the above mentioned thought.

I know I do.

I am slowly coming to grips with the notion that I can not control my competitor, I can only control my own business. If dumping a WS adds to my net profit that is good.

From you description of your business, I assume you have a large delivery area. Let your competitor make those 25 or 35 or 45 mile round trip deliveries for the WS.

At least that is how I am leaning.

The delivery cost is the dagger being plunged into the back of every small town WS-member florist.

With today's expenses, you simply can not afford to make those 25 mile plus round trip deliveries of a $35 floral arrangement. Being in a small town means one delivery, not 10 deliveries on a particular route.

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joe
 
Thanks for putting this into words. I receive maybe an average of 2-3 incoming WS orders/month. Makes it hardly seem worth it. Although, like you pointed out, I am not in the business of helping the competition! I think that's the main reason holding me back from canceling TF alltogether!
 
I agree with Goldfish. First let me tell you a little about our shop and the area we serve. Our shop is in a small town in Upstate NY, our zip code covers a population of about 12,000 people. We have 3 funeral homes ( about 95-110 deaths a year in our town) and 1 hospital. One other shop in our town and a Tops Market grocery store with a good size floral department. We do around $250,000 in sales a year. Our nearest fresh product wholesaler is over 50 miles away. The only designers in my shop are a part time designer who works 3 to 4 days(normally 3 days) a week and me, full time. We also send out more orders then we receive monthly.
In this reply I do not want people to think I'm a large wire service fan. I believe you are lucky to break even with wire orders. The wire services are very expensive, but I believe wire services are a necessary evil.
(1) In a small town incoming wire orders help fill in the gaps during slow times. ( In a small town if you do not have a funeral or wedding going on, you are slow), I do not have to hire extra help to do the wire orders, I'd have the same amount of help here wheather I had a WS or not. So labor is not increased.(Mother's Day and Christmas are the only time I have to increase labor because of incoming wire orders, this is a total of about 1 1/2 weeks for 1 person. The rest of the year my regular help covers incoming orders with no extra labor involved.)
(2) Incoming wire orders also helps with the turn over of fresh product in the cooler. With the nearest wholesaler being over 50 miles away, I need to keep a large selection of fresh flowers on hand at all times. Unlike florist's in larger areas who can be to a wholesaler in 10 to 15 mins, it means a round trip of about 2 1/2 hours, $10 to $15 in gas, and extra labor to cover my absense from the shop.
(3) Incoming orders also let me carry a larger selection of flowers(besides mums and carnations), since our turn over is faster.
In our case a WS helps us out, by making our non wire orders more profitable because we are now sharing the labor cost, our customers get fresher product because we are turning the fresh over faster, and our customers are also able to have a more varied selection of flowers to choose from.
If I lived in a larger area where I would have to hire extra help year round to do the incoming wire orders, my opinion would be diffrent. You will never get rich from a wire service in a small town, you will be lucky to break even. But for a small town florist a wire service can be beneificial if used properly.

Rodney
Dogwood Floral Company
Dansville, NY 14437
 
I agree with the pros of a WS and would totally be on board if the monthly cost wasn't so high for a small shop. They give you a small town rate, if no one else in your town is signed up with them, but then they nickle and dime you to death. With a small number of orders to spread those extra charges over, it simply didn't add up for me. We were TF and the other shop in town was AFS so when the merger took place (or buyout) we were both Teleflora which meant that there was no small town rate for anyone.

I stuck with it for awhile but then I bailed out as I was paying them every month except May and December for the "priviledge" of filling their discount orders.

I am now a member of IFA (Independent Florist Association) and I pay $20 per month to "wire out" orders. I go online and enter the information and that is all it takes. Works really well for us!! However, I will admit upfront that we get next to no orders in from them but since the reason we are a member is to take care of our local clients' needs to send out orders, it works for us.

I will also admit that if FTD came to us with a fabulous deal, something VERY affordable for the micro-florist, I would sign up for all the reasons that Rodney mentioned. However, there seems little chance of that so IFA works for us.

Wanda
 
You know, in principle, IFA is no different from an OG.

Members send out, receive little if any incoming, and collect, some would say skim, 20 pct off the top.

Florist networking isn't a one-way street.

Joe
 
Although I would fill the orders with no problem and no skimming, if they came my way. Apparently our zip code of 9000 is not a big destination with IFA senders. Then, it wasn't the big with Teleflora either or not big enough for two, I should say.

Wanda
 
You know, in principle, IFA is no different from an OG.

Members send out, receive little if any incoming, and collect, some would say skim, 20 pct off the top.

Florist networking isn't a one-way street.

Joe

With IFA, you can send and receive orders 20/80% or 100%. The choice is yours. We get at least 5 or 6 incoming from them each month, only slightly less than we were getting from FTD before we resigned. We still do the 20/80%, and we never skim.
 
You know, in principle, IFA is no different from an OG.

Members send out, receive little if any incoming, and collect, some would say skim, 20 pct off the top.

Florist networking isn't a one-way street.

Joe

small towns don't recieve that many incoming wires anyway. I could count on my hands the amount of incoming my zip code would garner most months when we had wire service.

IfA doesn't nickle and dime and the only senders are b/M shops
BTW I send at 100% and no skimming
 
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