Dept of Health and cake flowers

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what a bunch of hooey! In all my years in the flower business I don't think one soul has dropped dead from flower exposure. Look at us! we handle the stuff, everyday. Arrange while eating a sandwich, cut our burgers with our floral knives and we are still alive.
This is the craziest thing I have ever (okay not ever) heard of.
Think we need to follow the slogan of the armed forces....don't ask, don't tell.
 
This is really nothing new, it is up to each everyone to know what flowers are the culprit that they are talking about, there are flowers that should never and I mean never be put on loose ly on on a cake, or any food tables for that matter, and I agree with Ricky there are ways of doing this safely, they make little things to put the flowers in for cake bakers to use, and you can bye ediable flowers from a local food person in each and every locations, this letter has been floating aroound for like the last 12 years, maybe just in your area it is new, but this is dated 2008, why now is it surfacing again, and also SAF they are not the health department???
 
You are right, Queen that SAF is not the health department. However, it is their job to educate and rally on the side of the florist. A few small business owners would have a hard time getting someone to listen. I thought that is what SAF is for.

The government, whether it's state or federal, cannot just come up with some stupid law, rule, or guideline without any concrete proof of harm.

I can't tell you how many times I've had greens in my coffee, forgot to clean my knife prior to cutting an apple, etc. etc. and I'm still here.
 
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You are right, Queen that SAF is not the health department. However, it is their job to educate and rally on the side of the florist. A few small business owners would have a hard time getting someone to listen. I thought that is what SAF is for.

The government, whether it's state or federal, cannot just come up with some stupid law, rule, or guideline without any concrete proof of harm.

I can't tell you how many times I've had greens in my coffee, forgot to clean my knife prior to cutting an apple, etc. etc. and I'm still here.


You are right, but at the same time, it could come back in bite in the arse, on this one, it is a common sense thing on the flowers on cake things, so it is what it is,,,,YOu know I love ya!!!
 
You are right, but at the same time, it could come back in bite in the arse, on this one, it is a common sense thing on the flowers on cake things, so it is what it is,,,,YOu know I love ya!!!

And common sense is apparently a rare commodity. Next thing we'll have a law telling you not to stand in the rain! LOL

Or, they will contact Ace of Cakes and tell them to stop using the styrofoam, boards and the other stuff they use that most "food people" dont use. Can they prove that it is not sanitary?
 
I am on board... I am a member of SAF - and they should be doing something!

But my other question is - Can the gov.. really inforce this? How would they? Go to every reception where wedding cake is being served?

Shouldn't they be getting crack of the street or shutting down child porno sites or something - Isn't their time better spent (as well as tax payer dollars) on homeland security or feeding starving children - OMG I can't believe they spent all that money on all of those stupid letters!!!!

Where is that @@@@ BRICK WALL!!!!
.. Oh well I forgot - I am no politian - therefore I am STUPID!
 
So.. about other dumb laws in Maine..

Check these out.. YES they are real laws.. It is all laughable...

Shotguns are required to be taken to church in the event of a Native American attack.
You may not step out of a plane in flight.
After January 14th you will be charged a fine for having your Christmas decorations
 
This is really nothing new, it is up to each everyone to know what flowers are the culprit that they are talking about, there are flowers that should never and I mean never be put on loose ly on on a cake, or any food tables for that matter, and I agree with Ricky there are ways of doing this safely, they make little things to put the flowers in for cake bakers to use, and you can bye ediable flowers from a local food person in each and every locations, this letter has been floating aroound for like the last 12 years, maybe just in your area it is new, but this is dated 2008, why now is it surfacing again, and also SAF they are not the health department???

you didn't read the actual letter right and although it states sent to commmercial florists, it was never sent to florists only to bakers.
The letter states "lto insure food safety, local commerical florists are NOT considered approved food sources....
flowers used on or in food items must be obtained from an approved supplier such as a food distributer that is duly licensed or permitted and can assure they were grown using acceptable Good Agricultural Practices and are safe for human food and/or food contact"
 
Maybe they are making a bigger point of it since we have had some health/food scares in the last couple of years.

Being in a grocery store, I know our produce and meat depts. have to be COOL compliant-Country of Origin Label. This may include the US, Canada, and Mexico for one piece of meat because the cow was born in one country, raised in another, and processed in yet another. It's a little crazy, but it's required.

I also know that when planning downtown events there are some new rules with serving food outdoors. The Lions Club has always had brat and burger stands and now they have to have a different set up because certain things can't be near each other.

I'm not sure if this is just a WI thing or nationwide.
 
This kind of nanny state stuff is just crazy and lost touch with common sense a long time ago .
I' m inclined to go with the "dont ask ,dont tell and dont know " approach too but these Depts are very worked up about all the wrong things are'nt they ?
 
finally, here is a copy of the letter:

To: Commercial bakeries, home food processors, eating establishments and commercial florists



from: Maine department of agriculture and maine department of health and human services, maine cdc



subject: Cut flowers intended to be used on or in contact with food.



We understand that some bakers of wedding and special occasion cakes, caterers, and floral shops are using cut fresh flowers as decoration on cakes. We are concerned that this practice albeit beautiful to look at, may inadvertently pose a potential public health risk. We understand that local commercial florists provide the flowers for these decorations. Under the maine food code, administered by the department of agriculture and the department of health and human services, maine cdc to insure food safety, local commercial florists are not considered approved food sources which means that we cannot assure that cut flowers provided by commercial florists are grown and harvested according to recognized public health standards.



We understand that these flowers can originate from other countries. In many cases we do not know the types of fertilizers, pesticides, and post harvest treatments used to preserve these flowers nor do we know if these flowers were ever intended for use on food items or in and around food preparation areas.



The addition of these flowers may provide a potential for adulteration of food items (wedding and special occasion cakes) potentially posing a serious public health risk from exposure to unknown chemicals, pathogens and insects. Please be advised per the maine food code, section 3-201.11(a) states, “food shall be obtained from sources that comply with law” and section 3-101.11 states, “food shall be safe, unadulterated, and honestly presented.”



flowers used on or in food items must be obtained from an approved supplier such as a food distributor that is duly licensed or permitted and can assure they were grown using acceptable good agricultural practices, and are safe for human food and/or food contact.



We respectfully ask that you immediately stop using cut flowers purchased from local florists for uses on cakes or in foods unless you can assure that the flowers have come from a safe source.



If you have further questions or concerns regarding this issue, please contact steve giguere, department of agriculture at 287-4456 or lisa brown, department of health and human services, maine cdc at 287-5691.



Sincerely,



steve giguere lisa brown

compliance supervisor program director

division of quality assurance & regulation health inspection program

maine department of agriculture maine cdc, department of health and human services



cc: Consumer protection inspectors

district health inspectors

hal prince, division director of quality assurance & regulations

nancy beardsley, division director of environmental health

dora mills, md mph public health director, maine cdc

and there you go........
The company "sysco" supplies flowers to many restaurants etc and are procured from many of the same sources as "local florists"....again there is no response from the dept of health from local florists questioning this edict.

looks as if there is a licensing agenda here with the state benefiting ! Unbelievable ! Another way to ruin small business !
 
you didn't read the actual letter right and although it states sent to commmercial florists, it was never sent to florists only to bakers.
The letter states "lto insure food safety, local commerical florists are not considered approved food sources....
Flowers used on or in food items must be obtained from an approved supplier such as a food distributer that is duly licensed or permitted and can assure they were grown using acceptable good agricultural practices and are safe for human food and/or food contact"

note" the duly licensed or permitted."...........remember to vote ! And get rid of whoever issued this stupid edict ! Write letters to the editors of all the large state newspapers.....make a big deal out of it ! Maybe you can get some tv coverage if enuf of you complain.......one thing politicians aren't happy about is negative publicity....i know...i'm from illinois ! Don't be sheeple and let them get away with undocumented claims ! Isn't there a state florists assn ? Shame on saf !
 
Technically florists in Maine are required to have a food handler's license if they do fruit baskets although the state of Maine typically does not enforce this. The fee was only $10, might have just gone up a bit.

If a florist licensed as a food handler can show the flowers come from approved sources using safe growing practices then they're duly licensed. No different than a food distributor as far as I can see.
 
I should clairfy something regarding the license, for florists that sell fruit baskets and purchase the fruit and send it out same/next day the state does not enforce the license requirement. If a florist stocks any sort of gourmet items or fruit then they must have the food handler's license.
 
While I don't appreciate the way this is being handled by the state, as a guest at a wedding, I do not want any of the pieces that a flower was inserted in to. I don't know enough about the chemicals that are used in the pesticides and at our shop we are careful to wash our hands before we eat, rub my eye and such.

However, this is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Surely, there are simple ways to deal with this. Do flowers that are rinsed lose a lot of the pestide? I also believe that wrapping the stems with plastic wrap would be an effective way to take care of the situation. And of course, there are small arrangements as Rick suggested.

Wanda
 
Why do they not address all that is bad that goes into the food that is eaten at such events? Can we talk about sugar, fake sugar, preservatives, ingredients that are natural, but can be deadly to someone with allergies. Should bakers and caterers have to have a detailed list of ingredients by every tray of food on the buffet table? Where does it end??

www.unalunaflores.com
 
Can I ask you how many florists have been poisioned over the years by inadvertantly swallowing flower petals foliage or sap? Do we all wash are hands to eat our sandwiches. I know I don't. You are more likely to become ill from poor hygiene in the food establishments themselves from poor standards. This is as bad as some hospitals now stopping the delivery of flowers and plants to the wards. I conditioned a load of aconitium this morning and didn't wash my hands before I ate my lunch. And I'm still here and I'm pretty sure some went in my tea.
 
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Can I ask you how many florists have been poisioned over the years by inadvertantly swallowing flower petals foliage or sap? Do we all wash are hands to eat our sandwiches. I know I don't. I conditioned a load of aconitium this morning and didn't wash my hands before I ate my lunch. And I'm still here and I'm pretty sure some went in my tea.


Maybe that's why we're all so weird? :)
 
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