Ever heard of "tissuing"

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Shannon -

What Bill is trying to say, and I somewhat agree, is that if you demonstrate that skipping the tissue does not compromise the quality of the flowers - by directly comparing test results - you'll have a quick and easy way to get the new designers on board.

How effective was your Mom's 'because I said so'? ;) :> Didn't work too well on me.

Old habits are much more easily broken when demonstrated as no-longer-necessary and no-need-to-add-this-tedious-task.

JMO
 
CHR said:
Shannon -

What Bill is trying to say, and I somewhat agree, is that if you demonstrate that skipping the tissue does not compromise the quality of the flowers - by directly comparing test results - you'll have a quick and easy way to get the new designers on board.
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Um...

Actually...

No...

What I'm trying to say is that if you WANT TO DEMONSTRATE SOMETHING, you must use more than a simple A versus B test. To do a proper test, you have to compare a lot of similar A's to a lot of similar B's.

To illustrate, imagine if you let all the NFL teams play all their games. Then, at the end of the season, you picked an AFC and an NFC team at random -- irrespective of their records -- and sent them to the Superbowl.

DUMB!

Now, whether or not Shannon's trainee designers will respond to a properly done test between tissued and un-tissued roses... THAT is a whole different issue.

I suspect we have all known people whose guiding credo seems to be: "My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with facts!" If the trainees have THAT mindset, then the, "Do it MY way because I'm the boss and I sign your paycheck," approach may be the only way!

Wait!

The Postman just stopped at my mailbox!

Can it be my Obama check?

<time passes>

Rats! Just some junque mail.

Bill
 
Ah, Bill, I knew exactly what you were saying....

What I meant by my "forget that noise" is

#1 I don't have the time..

#2 I'm not wasting the product..

#3 I don't want to set a president.. meaning----> Every time I need to correct them, and try to get them to come into the 21st century, I don't want to waste my valuable time and go through these tests.

But I appreciate the idea. Perhaps if I didn't get an answer from my FC homies, maybe then, I'd consider long tests.

I never ever liked "because I said so" either. The answers I received about this question confirms that it's not "because I said so" It's because that pretty much those in the biz (whose opinion I respect) said there is no need anymore for this and it's an old school way of doing things.

One of the best reasons for me to keep coming back to FC is the collective knowledge of it's members. I always KNOW that somebody here will have an answer.

I thought I was right. It turns out I was. And had I been wrong, I would have let them teach me something I didn't know.

Newbies teach me stuff all the time. however, they may not know it. I watch them like a hawk. Part of my job you know. And every once in a while they do something I never seen before.
Why, because no one ever showed them the "proper" way to do it... Or the way it's been done for so long. Newbies come up with some clever and inventive ways of doing things.
They aren't dumb, they are just newbies... I love newbies.
 
Sorry, Bill. I have an active case of over-load-itis and read that you recommended testing. You are so right that folks dug in on their opinions are unmovable, even when when confronted with obvious and reliable results to the contrary.

When I respect a co-worker, I demonstrate the 'why's' to earn their changed opinion (and to teach lasting lessons), but sometimes it's just easier to be the benevolent dictator. :)
 
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The job I am presently at has caused me to do more testing than I have ever done because I was in a position to listen to new ideas and try them out. I am with Shannon on the fact that it's time consuming and it wastes product if you don't have to do it. I have used many of the recommendations of the Flower Chat group, especially where hydrangeas are concerned since we live in a dry area. Because of the dry area we have to do anything we can to get product to hold up longer, although hydrating, gluing and spraying has worked well with corsages.

Trish
 
In design school the first lesson learned was "there is the right way, the wrong way and the bosses way of doing things. You always do it the bosses way."

The second rule is "time is money and money is happiness"

The third rule is "if you are going to critique something back that critique up with a reason"

Shannon, the biggest problem with adding tissue to the stems is that it consumes design time and it creates a fat stem.

Reducing the labor cost is your job and Amy is paying you to run the design room as cost efficient as possible.

As design manager, you must ensure proper product construction. Fat stemmed corsages look sloppy and add weight to the corsage.

joe
 
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Well this was the way it was done for many years, and actually, we still do use corsage stems, heavens in the heat here, and girls not booking sites with ac, also more than anything it helps in the aspect of the hugging factor as well, I thinkeveryone has there way of doing things, and that is there choice, as to how it should be donem, and heavens dating me, now, I remember using the little water vial with a sponge in it for catalaya and that or cymbidiums, WOW..yeah back in the day, and actually sometimes in the heat ya gota do that,.
 
I use wet chenille stems on hyper wilting flowers like hydrangea in corsages....I would imagine that you really don't care about whether the method workd or not but thet the time spent justifies the benefit....The answer is no...there are much better ways of accomplishing that in faster time...my gusee is that the shop Amy bought was not as busy as here regular shop and these people had lots of time to fiddle, you will need to teach them lessons in efficiency and pose this to them as that not a right and wrong kind of thing becase there is no real right and wrong, it is a matter of time and energy spent vs benefit to the purpose...

I spent 2 years wiring ecquadorian roses in the shop I managed knowing it was a giant waste of time and effort...I had to argue a very compelling case for the owner to stop doing it....it took me 2 years to change his mind...but eventually he did, change is sometimes one of the hardest things to come by in people....
 
yep, they were still wiring roses and other flowers.

bless them, they were just old school.. Really old school.
 
Ok, I am going to finally insert my opinion on this issue. With the advent of sealants, anti-transpirants, and other treatments, combined with the techniques of glueing, the age-old practice of cottoning, tissuing, corsage stems, etc are no longer needed.

Now, What you will need to do Shannon is this.......the best way to educate the newer staff members is to 'LEAD by EXAMPLE' - Let them see you doing a newer or different technique - LET them question you about it - Answer the question by showing them how you are doing whatever technique or style you are being asked about.

I'll give a good example - We had some freelancers in the shop for one of our holidays, We had an order come in for a grouping of corsages. The order fell to me to execute the order.....I prefer to glue my corsages....When the freelancers saw this....THEY asked if they could stop and see this technique....they had never seen or experienced glueing of corsages.

Encourage them to learn new techniques, Invite them to seminars, design shows, conventions, Show them the newer things. - If your boss has not set Education as a priority.....get her to do so.

Lastly - DON'T get bent out of shape if they stick to whatever ways they feel most comfortable with. As long as it MEETS the customer's needs, Makes a profit, and pleases the recipient......then they have done what they need to do.
 
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We've seen this method in books of more creative designs or event pieces because the stems will not always get to the water. Is it a waste of time or outdated method? Not sure but seems better then a day without anything especially if you can't hide a water tube.
 
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ok, i am going to finally insert my opinion on this issue. With the advent of sealants, anti-transpirants, and other treatments, combined with the techniques of glueing, the age-old practice of cottoning, tissuing, corsage stems, etc are no longer needed.

now, what you will need to do shannon is this.......the best way to educate the newer staff members is to 'lead by example' - let them see you doing a newer or different technique - let them question you about it - answer the question by showing them how you are doing whatever technique or style you are being asked about.

i'll give a good example - we had some freelancers in the shop for one of our holidays, we had an order come in for a grouping of corsages. The order fell to me to execute the order.....i prefer to glue my corsages....when the freelancers saw this....they asked if they could stop and see this technique....they had never seen or experienced glueing of corsages.

encourage them to learn new techniques, invite them to seminars, design shows, conventions, show them the newer things. - if your boss has not set education as a priority.....get her to do so.

lastly - don't get bent out of shape if they stick to whatever ways they feel most comfortable with. As long as it meets the customer's needs, makes a profit, and pleases the recipient......then they have done what they need to do.
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the 1st paragraph says it all ! It's 2009 !
 
I'm not sure you should have to prove anything to employees.

But, maybe they should have to prove things to you.....the employer or manager.

Let them set up a test and prove to you that the tissue is better than all the other new things on the market.

Carol Bice
 
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I am not sure it is about 'proving' things at all.......It is just a difference in methods. A great example of different methods is to show the difference between the manager at a shop I worked at and myself.....She prefered to wire and tape her prom corsages, I prefered glueing. BOTH turned out beautiful and made the customers happy.
 
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