FTD Personal Account?

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FTD scripts

I got this from http://www.florists.ftd.com/javascript.jscript?website_id=&source=

I don't know what they mean, but it smells really fishy. FTD should explain this to us.

/* some commented stuff here; is it okay? */

var url_args = new Array();

allargs = document.URL.split("?");
if(allargs[1]) {
arg_pairs = allargs[1].split("&");
for(var x = 0; x < arg_pairs.length; x++){
tmp=arg_pairs[x].split("=");
eval("url_args[\""+tmp[0]+"\"]=\""+tmp[1]+"\";");
}
}

function geturlarg (value) {
if (url_val = url_args[value]) {
return url_val;
}
}

function getcookie(cookiename) {
var cookiestring=""+document.cookie;

var index1=cookiestring.indexOf(cookiename+"=");
if (index1==-1 || cookiename=="") return "";
var index2=cookiestring.indexOf(';',index1);
if (index2==-1) index2=cookiestring.length;
return unescape(cookiestring.substring(index1+cookiename.length+1,index2));
}

function SetCookie (name, value) {
var argv = SetCookie.arguments;
var argc = SetCookie.arguments.length;
var expires = (argc > 2) ? argv[2] : null;
var path = '/';
var domain = (argc > 4) ? argv[4] : null;
var secure = (argc > 5) ? argv[5] : false;
document.cookie = name + "=" + escape (value) +
((expires == null) ? "" : ("; expires=" + expires.toGMTString())) +
((path == null) ? "" : ("; path=" + path)) +
((domain == null) ? "" : ("; domain=" + domain)) +
((secure == true) ? "; secure" : "");
}


function trackcampaignhit (webtrends_campaign_tracking_id) {

// Webtrends campaign is activated by arg rather than url param

url_campaign_id = geturlarg('campaign_tracking_id');
cookie_campaign_id = getcookie('campaign_tracking_id');

if (webtrends_campaign_tracking_id || (url_campaign_id) && (url_campaign_id != cookie_campaign_id)) {

document.write('<img src="/cgis/campaign_tracking.cgi?website_id=&source=&vh=&campaign_id=' + url_campaign_id + '&WT_id=' + webtrends_campaign_tracking_id + '" height=0 width=0>');
}
}

function setreferralidcookie () {
referral_id = geturlarg('referralid');
if (referral_id) {

SetCookie("referral_id",referral_id);
}
}

function setquixtarcookie() {
quixtar_id = geturlarg('eID');
if (quixtar_id) {

SetCookie("quixtarid",quixtar_id);
}
}

function writehiddenform(value) {
var ret_val = getcookie(value);
if (ret_val) {
document.write('<input type="hidden" name="' + value + '" value="' + ret_val + '">');
}
}
 
It's mostly tracking code, for their stats reports. Fairly harmless stuff.

Ryan
 
Luc said:
Call me naive, but when you buy a site from FTD or TF, and they control it, it is easier for them to collect any data.

BBJ, tellme if I am wrong on this. I have a site on a1florists.com hosted by BBJ. Now I get the date and BBJ can go inside my website anytime and look for any information on any order. If he wish, he can collect any data and promote his site and transfer the order back to me through the wire service.
We all know he would be making money on the 20% and rebates.
Do I trust BBJ? My answer is Yes by a long shot.
Do I trust FTD or TF? My answer is No by a long shot.
Will all their broken promises they are sounding like politicians.
Luc

Yes if I really wanted to I could get data, that is on my server.........the only way not to allow anyone access to your info would be to have your own server running in your own building with proper security and fire walls etc. installed that you control your self. Anything short of that would allow your hosting company access if they wanted to get info.

Having said that, the data is secure on the server, and we would never check the data files unless there was a problem withone of them.....and so far we haven't had any reason to check and data files.
 
Jim called me today from FTD and said that all the suspect code will be removed from all of the FOL sites as soon as they have the time. Supposedly it's a leftover from a while back. THey no longer use the mentioned company.

Jim has always been straight with me as far as I know, so time will tell.
 
BOSS said:
Jim called me today from FTD ... it's a leftover from a while back

That's understandable ... I've got lots of that going on in our sites. Most of it makes me shudder :)

Ryan
 
There is nothing new about this information. Both of the companies have always tracked everything that happens to the hosted sites.

The question you have to ask yourself is do you continue to allow them to collect all of your customers information and continue to analyze the access logs for each site that contain referal site information whether it's a paid directory or your own ppc program. Its been over a year since I closed both FTD and Teleflora Sites and I still receive emails from the test orders that I placed on those sites that still market to Teleflora.com and FTD.com.

Even the other email account that I used to place the order on the "free storefront" that teleflora placed on the find a florist directory for our store I still recieve all the holiday reminders from it and it dosen't say anything about Everyday Flowers.
 
BOSS said:
Telefloras explaination to me is that this code is to bring consumers to the Eflorist sites, FROM the Find-a-florist site....

I'm still scratching my head over that one...:confused:

I'll sell you a bridge...

It perplexes me that anyone who pays for a site will allow the FAF box to appear in the top right. Which is does any time it is found from FAF.
You don't have to allow this. It's your site, isn't it? Or is it?

Think I could get you all to put a link to my site in the top right of your sites? And you can pay me for it too!

On a side note, with more about this later. I helped a friend build a site last week, to switch from a TF site. He had had 1 order in the last month. He pointed the same domain to the new site and had 3 orders in a day.

Something smells like fish here.

I *think* it could be connected to that code, but I am not a javascript expurt. I are a lunatic fringe florist conspiracy theorist from the Floral Bureau of Investigation.
 
Eric S said:
The question you have to ask yourself is do you continue to allow them to collect all of your customers information and continue to analyze the access logs for each site that contain referal site information whether it's a paid directory or your own ppc program. Its been over a year since I closed both FTD and Teleflora Sites and I still receive emails from the test orders that I placed on those sites that still market to Teleflora.com and FTD.com.
Um...NO....get an INDEPENDANT SITE!!!
 
Paranoid...who said we are????
Is it because we ask to many question.?
Is it because they always others motives to what they do?
Is it because we find the truth....


Luc
 
We also promoted both FTD website and TF website and still the TF site out did more than the one or two orders that we recieved from the FTD site. We actually closed the TF site 6 months before the FTD site was closed and still the same response. Keep in mind that we where adding more of our own images to both sites and continued to add images to the FTD site.

I think many of the problems with these sites is the redirect pages supplied by the advertising programs directing traffic to

floristonline/your flower shop name.com instead of the actual domain name.

I also would like to add that the FTD account was never on our site so I don't believe its something left over and they just haven't had the time to remove it. There is no reason for me to make that up you guys...
 
My friend went up to 6 orders in 36 hours. We looked at the stats and the TF site, same domain, had 4 in a month.

Something to be said for not letting the fox gaurd the henhouse, again

opinions vary
 
Wow!

Where is this "findaflorist" button your refering to on the TF template sites. I have a TF website www.colemanflorist.com I went to see what link to TF.com or findaflorist you were refering to. I do not find this on my site. Am I missing it?

Several months back someone here sent me sopy of script on my site they were concerned about, I contacted TF and they showed me(well not me personally) but someone I had go over what they said it all was and he verified it. TF hosted sites can add pop up's as we wish and change them as we wish, customers coming through google will not see them as google won't allow the competing blah blah blah. Other script had to do with the link from TF's FAF and others from the tracking stats that they give you for your site. He found nothing in that code to be suspect.

I won't argue that I don't think it is possible for TF to market to your customers but I over a year ago I set up 3 E-mail accounts and had a few friends email addresses I gave them to add to our data base just to see if they would market directly and as of yet they nor I have ever received anything other then great e-mails directing them to order from ColemanFlorist.com.

For the month of April so far I have received 13 orders due to the e-mail reminders that they have sent out on my behalf to my customers. Verified through the source code information and our customers.

I will say that Find a Florist sucks for us, probably due to the fact that we won't pay extra to come up in the listing for rotation in the top. How stupid of the florist who have signed up for this. We all rotated equally before, they offered a paid listing to everyone to get top listing, so most of the florist here signed up, pay more now and rotate equally anyways because almost everyone is doing it. DUH!!!


Knife's Wife
 
O.K. I see what you mean there...but, they already found you through find a florist.... If they don't like what they see or can't find what there looking for they are going to hit the back button and find someone else anyways. I thought from the talk here that the "button" was on my site, no matter how someone found me. At least it's not a TF.com it brings you to, right?

knife's Wife
 
Joan,
No matter how they found you, say your customer looks for you and finds you thru FAF - do you want to take care of their long distance delivery needs? They're telling them that they don't need you for that, just click here.
Take a good customer look at the FAF directory, and you'll see a big chunk of people that order thru there end up using tf.con without even knowing it. I'm referring to all the plain vanilla sites below that look like florist websites, but are really "storefronts" where the orders go out as traditional wire orders.
 
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