FTD's "new" direction?

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Back in the 80s there were 28,000 independent Office Supply dealers in the US. I was the general MGR of one such companies and I had 5 stores in 3 states. Well when Staples open first store in late 80s everyone said they never make it and that the populations of an area would have to be over 125,000 people and we will outsiervice there no service model. Well speed forward to today and you have Staples or Office Depot or Office Max in small population centers, There are less then 2800 Independent Office supply dealers left in US and ther low price low cost model is still working. Don't Bury your heads in the sand on this issue they will not be going away. Rather we must learn to compete and buy better and be more effecient.
 
We're a little off track here........

back to education of up and comers please!!
Certification of new wannabees is critical to reversing ANY of these trends....REGARDLESS of which/where the floral vendor location IS!!
Grocery stores DO make money on floral items, because they've largely smartened up, and done what WE have NOT......and that IS, providing long hours of service, locations of high density/traffic, and lottsa variety of product.
I have NOT read about FTD U.....sounds interesting!!
 
I faxed our resignation and mailed a certified letter (copy of fax) to FTD on Tuesday. Yesterday both TF and FTD called to make offers for joining (TF) or cancelling resignation. Everything was very busy, so I could not talk to either, but when I began listing the reasons (also stated in letter/fax) for resigning, the FTD person said that FTD U was meant for anyone who wanted to take the courses.

I only knew 1 used car salesman that I trusted, and he was my nephew. I don't know any WS spokesperson that I trust anymore.
 
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Connie said:
I only knew 1 used car salesman that I trusted, and he was my nephew. I don't know any WS spokesperson that I trust anymore.

That's a line for florists to take to heart and live by. I know a lot of car and truck salesmen, general employees, and dealership owners from my previous life and I'd trust any one of them that successfully made a career of it over ANYbody from a wire service these days.
 
Well, No FU U fore you then, EY?

Connie said:
I faxed our resignation and mailed a certified letter (copy of fax) to FTD on Tuesday. Yesterday both TF and FTD called to make offers for joining (TF) or canceling resignation. Everything was very busy, so I could not talk to either, but when I began listing the reasons (also stated in letter/fax) for resigning, the FTD person said that FTD U was meant for anyone who wanted to take the courses.

I only knew 1 used car salesman that I trusted, and he was my nephew. I don't know any WS spokesperson that I trust anymore.

KUDOS to CONNIE for taking those first steps in eliminating our biggest competitors.

We've all witnessed how they morphed into DOT.CON THIEVES while draining our profitability with their HIGHER DUES and MO ANCILLARY FEES.

In 2005, we heard a quiet WALKING AWAY from the OLD PARTNERS. 2006 will be much louder as the BIG STAMPEDE begins. The HERD got SPOOKED by the wolves and are now running for their lives.

I don't fault any ws rep. Like us, they are just trying to survive while holding on to their jobs. Accordingly, they must mouth the COMPANY'S MANTRAS, regardless of THE TRUTH.

As one fsr put it: " I go from a 3 year contract to the next 3 year contract, all during which, I try to keep my head under their radar screen. " We considered him to be a FRIEND and we were all always aware of the BIG LIES the ws company to perpetuate.

Probably, the BIGGEST SCAM they perpetrated on DA FLORISTS was another one of their passive streams of revenue called QUALITY ASSURANCE. At $20 a pop per shop per month, that's gotta bee a few more million in their bank. In fact, some of us believed that, some of the money was used to FUND the FREE CONVENTION ROOM give-a-way program small bob had put in place.

I remember when small bob bought out the association to make THE GATEKEEPER JUST GO AWAY as a precursor to DA GREEN SALE. Then, he touted the fact that, HE SAVED DA MEMBERS that monthly fee which used to go to the association to enable them to perform quality tests.

Then, and in less than five months, he added it back in again to the member's drain account fund. Only problem was that, no testing was going on which made it a WINDFALL PROFIT TAX.

Besides, how would you test the old VNS bucket shops after they were disbanded and automatically moved back into the ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY FOLD or the stupermarkets anyway? Might as well KEEP THE MONEY and RUN! (da florist scam)

Anyway Connie, you did good kid! Now, it's all about YOU rather than allow them to send you to FU TOO U!
 
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To add to my first post, I think "raising the bar" is another way of saying niche marketing. The real problem is first to indentify the niche and to make sure that niche you are aiming for is large enough to sustain business.

The problem right now with the flower business is that in the U.S flowers are viewed as a gift item. In Europe the biggest reason for buying flowers is everyday self enjoyment. The florists by themselves cannot change American buying habits. And since consumers view flowers as an occasion driven item, what is happening to the percieved value of flowers in their eyes, now that there are so many players in this industry looking to make the buck, with little care for long term business.

As RC pointed out FTD.COM is locked into a vicious cycle of having to spend large amounts of money to gather consumer orders, because they are unable to keep past buyers due to numerous reasons. PROFLOWERS is marketing to the consumer using the deception of showing arranged flowers and delivering a product nothing like what was shown. Others are flooding the internet with "Flower Specials" and not delivering the quality due to the excessive fees charged, like Tom Meola. Even florists are now bad mouthing the flower industry, ie wire services. The florists view this as a way to reclaim their customer, but in fact are they driving the consumer to other forms of gift giving because the consumer becomes unsure of what he or she will recieve for their hard earned money.
 
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Connie!!! Well done :) You have risen to a new level of respect in my book.


To add to my first post, I think "raising the bar" is another way of saying niche marketing. The real problem is first to identify the niche and to make sure that niche you are aiming for is large enough to sustain business.

Well said!

PROFLOWERS is marketing to the consumer using the deception of showing arranged flowers and delivering a product nothing like what was shown.

Odd, they grow over 100% each year. I guess their customers like to be deceived. I think florists who have their heads in the ground are the ones deceiving themselves. People buy from PF because of their marketing and convenience. THAT and flowers is a commodity these days and what better way to ship a commodity? There's a new market out there.. it's call the internet. PF knows this, 1800flowers knows this, why is that so hard for most florists to know this?

Speaking of a commodity, FTD has turned their look and cookie cutter style into a commodity and I hear it all the time from customers. One lady said last week, please make it special, not the FTD type of arrangement. I hear that a lot. The floral industry has hurt itself by turning flowers into a commodity. It’s like FTD marketed too well. We talk about changing the perception of flowers not being a commodity, but in this day in age of lighting speed service and product availability, changing that will be extremely hard.
 
Florists have been driving the The Limo to their own Funeral.

Cutting costs equates to deminished quality, service, presentation, product longjevity, collective knowledge. While defining a line where some things are done and others are not.

I consider the supers to be more involved in the personal use catigory serving an increase in the European model. With the exception of the do it your selfer. Who are a growing number.

Like todays "hardware" store. Finding someone who knows something more than the customer themselfs is pretty hard to find.

So I suspect that it will be much the same in the supers.

Our mentors have established a whole extra layer of expence for the consumer that generally is unwarrented. Coupled with their re-direction of the consumers buying habbits for "gifting" Their is little wonder the industry is in the state it's in.

Florists need to get a Shovel and start digging someone elses hole instead of driving the Car.
 
You know, I'm beginning to change my Real Florist "pessimism" very quickly. Has anyone else noticed the sudden business shift in the PPC advertising model? Over the last few days, I have seen several unrelated articles in unrelated industries talking about how PPC and in general those business that are relying on net advertising (think OGs, DOGs) are having a TOUGH time with it.

Perhaps we are being somewhat hasty about the demise of our industry...yes we all need to clean up our pricing and do a better job of promoting local C2B and B2B, but I think that over time, the efficiency of the net will *eventually* work in OUR favor, IF we continue to use it to lower our costs and deliver a better, more value conscious product to our customers. I am already seeing results in our "avoid the WS, call DIRECT" campaign. It's such a shame to me that so many Real Florist's are loath to give up that 20%+sending fee "easy" income.

We ALL need to go a better job of promoting a "go ahead, pamper yourself" campaign of flower-awareness in our local markets. No one is going to do it for us. Flower ARE a great thing to live with, and should be constantly selling the therapeutic benefits that having such beautiful, living things around us gives.

SFOX makes some great points about "headroom" at the top of the niche...I used to think it was all about "niche" now I think it all about "SALES", anyway you can get em!! Low end, high-end, mid-end...I want them ALL! Why limit yourself? Who knows which way the wind will blow a few years from now when the public realizes that all these online OGs are just a bunch of scammers?
 
12BucksFor2Dozon said:
Who knows which way the wind will blow a few years from now when the public realizes that all these online OGs are just a bunch of scammers?

WE, here in OUR shop, realized that EXACT result, whereby it seems OUR customers, have ALREADY caught "on"........
 
Florists have been driving the The Limo to their own Funeral.

Quote of the day!! :)

Low end, high-end, mid-end...I want them ALL! Why limit yourself?

If my shop carried low end stuff, just to try to be everyone's buddy, it would turn my high rollers off. I have chosen a side, the side with money and the side that doesn't have to worry about big box biz and the grocery store. Don't get me wrong, I sell cute/unique $10 bouquets, but I won't carry ballons/plush/carns, etc... why? Cause I preach the word of "Don't compete with your local grocery store". This works in my area, it might not in yours. So Mark, we finally disagree on something. Wooohooo!!! :)
 
Dazeal said:
...This works in my area, it might not in yours. So Mark, we finally disagree on something. Wooohooo!!! :)
Not so quickly there, Dazeal...we, too, refuse to carry the "craft-florist" nickle and dime ballons and plush, so I am not thinking we are disagreeing at all. By low-end I mean a good quality 40 cm 9.95 c/c rose wrap, or a value-packed 24.95 "modest" get well basket. Our new buying habits are allowing us the ability to profitable serve this demographic, so why not? I am a BIG believer in the "long tail" concept, where at some point I will probably have over a thousand different items on my web site, and that mean 100's of price points...something for EVERYONE, ya know?

Plus, with our re-vamped web site, we want to create a favorable "value" perception among the ever-growing throngs of PNC shoppers...I don't think we can afford to roll over and play dead for a significant portion of the flower buying public, those looking for a "deal".
 
12BucksFor2Dozon said:
...I don't think we can afford to roll over and play dead for a significant portion of the flower buying public, those looking for a "deal".

I agree. That's especially true when today's buying opportunities allow us to make money on those "deals".

If we don't have anything available when the customers are looking for something inexpensive for small occasions, where do you think the customer is going to look next time they they decide to spend big bucks? The last place that served them well would be my guess . . . even if they didn't spend big bucks last time.

That "carriage trade" "nose in the air" attitude can alienate a very significant portion of a local market's buying public very quickly even when and if they can afford what you've got. Most of the extremely wealthy people that I know and deal with are not favorably impressed by a snob attitude from those who aspire to deal with them. And that's especially true when those who "aspire" obviously have little or no wealth themselves.

As my partner likes to say . . . "our wealthy customers didn't get rich by being stupid enough to p--- their money away or deal with con artists who would rip them off with overpriced products".
 
hcflorist said:
...As my partner likes to say . . . "our wealthy customers didn't get rich by being stupid enough to p--- their money away or deal with con artists who would rip them off with overpriced products".
Now *those* are words to "do business by"...and I agree. Like I said in a previous post, we could not believe how many upscale women with 3+ carats on their hands were running around with there Jo-Anne's 60% off coupons before the holidays.

SFOX is right...who has actually run the numbers to even assure that there is enough margin at "top" to successfully support a growing business? It *sounds* good to be the "florist for the upper crust...", but to be honest we have found our upper end clientele just as finicky as our others...one day they spend, another they scrimp etc etc.

Just look at the numbers...we have lost approx. 5% of the total floral market in the past 3 years alone...this while the economy has grown by about 2-3% a year. Do we have the luxury to "pick and choose" who we sell to? I don't see it like that anymore...
 
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Here's more of my thoughts.

First, the wire services by themselves are not the whole problem Do they gather orders, yes. Do they overcharge for most of their services, yes, Do they spend our money on advertising not aimed at us, yes. Are there other problems they create, yes.

But they also provide us with the ability to send flower orders. That is their single most important use to a florist. Why, because our portion of this industry, for better or worse, is tied to the wire service model by the consumer.

Where many florists have gone wrong is by tying their whole business to the wire services. How? They clear their credit cards, they buy wire service technology systems, they spend large sums of money buying advertising inside the wire service system and the only potential buyer is another florist. They buy wire services containers and then spend their own money promoting those containers when in fact the should be spending their money promoting themselves.

Now you probably are saying then what good is a wire service? Well, first, it gives use the ability to send one of our customers orders anywhere in the world. Well you are going to say the customer can do this without us by using the internet. True, but could the reason your customer will do this is because you are not offering them enough of a differential between yourself and internet providers. Why do so many florists follow the big guys and charge as much as $9.95 as a fee, when in fact they could charge nothing and still make a profit. Why don't florists sell their personal service by building on the point that by sending through their local florist, they are dealing with someone who is local and can offer face to face service and who offers a better value.

And the only reason these gatherers have grown is because florists are willing to fill. Most florists are blinded by the money. They can't see the long term effects of their actions. Florists should fill every real florist to real florist order just as if that order was taken at their front counter. If every florist, filled every other florist order like that, we could rebuild consumer confidence in our part of the floral industry. Too many florists feel that becasue they are giving up a percentage to the sender that it is justified to cost out that order by using a different price schedule. Florists in Florida, don't charge their walk in customers $75.00 a dozen for roses, but feel justified doing this to another florist.

Now, am I saying spend large sums of money trying to get wire out orders, no. But what I am saying is for better or worse, the public ties our part of this industry to that service and why shouldn't we captilize on that. If you belong to a wire service, only use it for the sending of orders. Forget about buying ads. Other real florists will find you. Forget buying wire service technology, so that you eliminate the possibility that the wire service can hold your entire business hostage. Forget about buying containers, unless that wire service by it's own promotion, drives the consumers into your store to purchase those containers. Forget about clearing your credit cards through a wire service, why let them hold your money over your head. Remember the person who holds the money holds the power.

We have got to get over the fact that the wire services have changed. Move On. Realize they have changed and only use them for the only real purpose a wire service was created, to send orders between real florists.
 
sfox said:
..But they also provide us with the ability to send flower orders. That is their single most important use to a florist. Why, because our portion of this industry, for better or worse, is tied to the wire service model by the consumer.
BZZZT..Wrong Answer! The consumers are, at near light speed, learning to bypass the old 20th century "go-to-my-local-florist-and-send-flower" model and are learning to order online. The WS have allowed OG/DOGs to capture most of the these orders, leaving the Real Florist who spent decades building the "brand" holding a empty, profitless bag...

sfox said:
Well you are going to say the customer can do this without us by using the internet. True, but could the reason your customer will do this is because you are not offering them enough of a differential between yourself and internet providers. Why do so many florists follow the big guys and charge as much as $9.95 as a fee, when in fact they could charge nothing and still make a profit. Why don't florists sell their personal service by building on the point that by sending through their local florist, they are dealing with someone who is local and can offer face to face service and who offers a better value.
Easy answer here. GREED!!!

sfox said:
We have got to get over the fact that the wire services have changed. Move On. Realize they have changed and only use them for the only real purpose a wire service was created, to send orders between real florists.
Well, welcome to FC Mr. Fox...this message has only been pounded here for about 3 years now...maybe someday it will make a difference but since most of the Wire Zombies(tm) don't even have 'net access at their shops, I am doubting the ability of FC to affect change...
 
Mark, it was pounded for years longer than that on the floristboard and the saf board and the only diffference I have seen it make is in the 50 or so of us loonies who post here, if that.

I've kinda sorta given up the soapbox, well I still have it but it is under the bed.

However... that stuff the Fox posted was right on the button, and not the wrong answer at all. IF consumers are learing so quick, they why they be spending so much money with non-florists? Fox is a smart fellow and it would behoove us to listen to him. I know I do.

's ok - I loves a good debate - because...

opinions vary...
 
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