Help me remove the hidden OG's / Wire Services?

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So in reading your response to CHR, am I correct in assuming that you ar not a florist but a business that works with different industries and makes directories? If that is the case then I am not so crazy about helping you clean up your listings...in the past I thought you had made a directory and charged a fee of $ 50.00 a month to be a preferred shop.....or do I have you confused with another group that did a directory? Sorry to sound so witchy so early on a Sunday but I am leary of what you are proposing and having us all get excited and help you clean up the mess that you are working with with. Can you please explain to us exactly who you are and what your eventual plans with this directory will be and the costs associated with it? Thanks
 
Sher said:
So in reading your response to CHR, am I correct in assuming that you ar not a florist but a business that works with different industries and makes directories? If that is the case then I am not so crazy about helping you clean up your listings...in the past I thought you had made a directory and charged a fee of $ 50.00 a month to be a preferred shop.....or do I have you confused with another group that did a directory? Sorry to sound so witchy so early on a Sunday but I am leary of what you are proposing and having us all get excited and help you clean up the mess that you are working with with. Can you please explain to us exactly who you are and what your eventual plans with this directory will be and the costs associated with it? Thanks
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No Sher, not a florist. Also, this is our first florist directory dealing with so you do have me confused with someone else. Pricing has yet to be determined because we aren't sure if we will be tying in any other services at first. The directory is just a small piece of a very large puzzle.

We have been dealing with online marketing since 1999, mainly driving traffic to affiliate programs. While this has been very profitable we have switched our focus and will be developing many of our own sites, eventually moving into offline marketing and other areas.
 
Kings Florist Directory said:
mainly driving traffic to affiliate programs.
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Hmmmm.....interesting....afilliate programs, especially in our industry have for the most part been scams, either on the consumer or the florist.

One question, has ANY of this traffic been floral related in nature?

One thing you will find here, is that many florists have been burned in previous experiences with directories. Honestly there are very few that are upfront, honest and ethical. Also, know that we do our homework, I noticed your using a proxied domain and hosting is out of LA...why the proxie?

If anything here sounds like an attack, you'll have to excuse the hesitence, we are a skeptical bunch, especially when a Non-florist says they are trying to help us, even if it is for profit.
 
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No Sher, not a florist. Also, this is our first florist directory dealing with so you do have me confused with someone else. Pricing has yet to be determined because we aren't sure if we will be tying in any other services at first. The directory is just a small piece of a very large puzzle.

We have been dealing with online marketing since 1999, mainly driving traffic to affiliate programs. While this has been very profitable we have switched our focus and will be developing many of our own sites, eventually moving into offline marketing and other areas.
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So again, I ask...Who are you and why the interest in florist? And please answer Mark's question...why the proxy...I see that you are located in Shreveport...please give us your name and the name of your company...not to be offensive but if you want us to be upfront with you, supply you with assitance, then we require the same in return....otherwise, and this is harsh...I think you are feeding off of us and will then turn around and market to the very folks who helped you out and also make a profit on our backs...we do not need this...we already have some very big folks who do that already and none of us want a repeat of history...
 
Wow the Syracuse NY listing is a joke.
Bartlett- out of business
Bennets Fruit-doesn't sell flowers
CJ Backer Wholesale-is wholesale and out of business
Dougall Mary Jane Flowers-Out of business
Ellens-out of business
Father Natures-out of business
Floral courtyard- out of business
Flowers by Danielle-out of business
Flowers unlimited-out of business
Grant Florist-out of business
Onondaga Florist Delivery Pool- Is a delivery service only
Price Chopper is a-Is an FTD og/fullfillment center AKA-gocery store
Rosebud floral-out of business
Scott Brothers-out of business
Vivians-out of business
Where did this list come from?
You have the bottom of the barrell except for a few florist that are good. You are missing About 20 florist that are not here, and an additional 15 or more that are the top florist that have been serving this area for decades!!

Knife's Wife
 
BOSS said:
Hmmmm.....interesting....afilliate programs, especially in our industry have for the most part been scams, either on the consumer or the florist.

One question, has ANY of this traffic been floral related in nature?

One thing you will find here, is that many florists have been burned in previous experiences with directories. Honestly there are very few that are upfront, honest and ethical. Also, know that we do our homework, I noticed your using a proxied domain and hosting is out of LA...why the proxie?

If anything here sounds like an attack, you'll have to excuse the hesitence, we are a skeptical bunch, especially when a Non-florist says they are trying to help us, even if it is for profit.
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No floral affiliate programs, no. We could have easily thrown up a directory with adwords or similar and made money that way. In fact at $4 per click our commission on those clicks would have been very nice. Normally this isn't a big deal because the companies buying the ads are the same ones you want your website visitors to find. Because this industry works differently that isn't the case. Not only do the national companies take so many fees along the way, they also buy up all of the ads making it virtually impossible for a local level business to compete. Where else can the "middle man" get such a big cut that he can pay more for ads than the business selling a product?

To be a little more clear, our business plan involves products and services that are mainly used on a local level. We started with florists but will also be working on various other sites dealing with restaurants, tanning salons, night clubs, real estate, and automobiles to name a few. Once a number of these various sites are completed we will be tying them together with local hubs. For instance a Houston, Texas website that includes the various directories for Houston, message boards, localized dating, information, news, etc. Some hubs will be themed such as "Houston Entertainment Guide" and similar. It would be of no benefit to us if every city listed ads for businesses located thousands of miles away as it goes directly against what we are trying to accomplish.

Also, yes we do intend to make a profit. We feel however that this is best accomplished by offering services that people want while providing outstanding support and unbelievable pricing. We are in business for the long term. If we weren't we would have thrown the site together, slapped on some adwords, and moved onto the next one. This would have made the site profitable almost immediately and would require no additional work. Listings that weren't updated wouldn't matter because it would just make people click more ads. We'd rather earn your business slowly and build a long term relationship that makes everyone happy and profitable.

Finally, the proxy registration just keeps the internet spiders from hitting the info constantly. Our last email address listed in whois still gets a few hundred emails per day. :(
 
Sher said:
So again, I ask...Who are you and why the interest in florist? And please answer Mark's question...why the proxy...I see that you are located in Shreveport...please give us your name and the name of your company...not to be offensive but if you want us to be upfront with you, supply you with assitance, then we require the same in return....otherwise, and this is harsh...I think you are feeding off of us and will then turn around and market to the very folks who helped you out and also make a profit on our backs...we do not need this...we already have some very big folks who do that already and none of us want a repeat of history...
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Chris Culotta, Globalcast Media LLC registered in Delaware, located in Shreveport, LA with partners in Arizona and Canada. Not sure what you mean by make a profit on your back as that is counterproductive for everyone and wouldn't be tolerated for long enough to ever make a profit. I answered the other questions one post up.

Thank you.
 
flowerknife+us said:
Wow the Syracuse NY listing is a joke.
Bartlett- out of business
Bennets Fruit-doesn't sell flowers
CJ Backer Wholesale-is wholesale and out of business
Dougall Mary Jane Flowers-Out of business
Ellens-out of business
Father Natures-out of business
Floral courtyard- out of business
Flowers by Danielle-out of business
Flowers unlimited-out of business
Grant Florist-out of business
Onondaga Florist Delivery Pool- Is a delivery service only
Price Chopper is a-Is an FTD og/fullfillment center AKA-gocery store
Rosebud floral-out of business
Scott Brothers-out of business
Vivians-out of business
Where did this list come from?
You have the bottom of the barrell except for a few florist that are good. You are missing About 20 florist that are not here, and an additional 15 or more that are the top florist that have been serving this area for decades!!

Knife's Wife
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Thanks I'll get right on them. List came from a company that deals with business lists but I'm assuming they trust local phone books or just don't care if nationwide companies are included. I'm not as concerned with missing listings yet because a shop can send their information in at any time. We'd love to list them but there's just too many to find and verify one at a time.

Thanks again for your help.
 
Something smells a bit funny here. Sure we're skeptical, it's pretty SOP for florist directories to be gatherers of orders, using florists money to advertise themselves. I can think of possibly a dozen or so, and some that started out as pure directories that eventually succumbed to the draw of the green.

Just what we need, another non-floral entity getting in our game, and one more florist directory.

Sure color me skeptical.
 
bloomz said:
Something smells a bit funny here. Sure we're skeptical, it's pretty SOP for florist directories to be gatherers of orders, using florists money to advertise themselves. I can think of possibly a dozen or so, and some that started out as pure directories that eventually succumbed to the draw of the green.

Just what we need, another non-floral entity getting in our game, and one more florist directory.

Sure color me skeptical.
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We will not ever gather orders to send through wire services. I don't like anything about the entire system.
 
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