HonestFlorist.com - one to keep an eye on

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I guess I missed this thread when as it broke while I was out chasing the elusive whitetail deer. But this sounds pretty good. how will these orders be transmitted to florist? or did I miss that part.

Haven't seen anything on that just yet. Wondering how you go live, without having a florist sign up or something. Is this an exclusive group? Looking forward to hearing more.
 
We go live with wire services. I also have my preferred florist list from when I owned florist.com. Once florists see our site, we would be more than happy to work with more preferred shops.

Aron
 
Aaron:
Does that mean that you are transmitting orders to be filled thru the currently existing wire services (FTD/TF/Bloomnet/RFA/IFA/??) or are you creating a new network? I think that is the question on everyone's mind.

If you are transmitting thru the exisitng WS, then how does that help the florist who is doing the actual filing of the order? (you are then still keeping 20% of the order, I assume, plus some type of order transmission charge.) Perhaps you are giving us more realistic orders to fill, with a delivery charge that's reasonable....but what is really, really different?

Thanks,

Cheryl
 
I doubt we'd convince anyone to pass the complete customer information along, but what about just the email address?

RJD, I would consider having the shop contact the sender directly for those consumers wanting an answer to delivery confirmation. Of course there are things to consider, How much time goes by from the time we pass along the consumers info? Will the shop actively advertise to this consumer in the future? I think so, I don't mind that, as long as they didn't sell us down the river, I can live with good clean competition, but not bad mouthing.

Aron,

It shouldn't be too hard for you to design a system that creates a temporary email address for each customer & each order. What if you made addresses like "[email protected]" that would be active for 14 days after the delivery date. All mail to that address would be forwarded by your system to the customer. You could even insert a tracking number in the subject so that the florist's email address is masked to the sender.

That way the florist can contact the sender directly for a time, but you're not giving up direct access to the customer. Service WIN!

Ryan
 
Dang it Ryan...

I had him on the ropes... he was gonna give in, give it all up! :rofl:

I'll keep pushing.....:rofl::rofl:
 
It seems to me what Aron is trying to do is something most of us have wished for in terms of moving orders at 100 percent.But I can not see how that is going to happen if he is moving them through a wire service. If there was a way to by pass the wire service then he might have something here.
 
If there was a way to by pass the wire service then he might have something here.
If everyone was on MAS and FAS then we could bypass the wires :)

There is currently no other way to transmit orders to florists other than the traditional services.

Far as I know Aron never said anything about 100%... there would be no benefit to him to do so, and it is his money building his business.

My hope would be that Honest Florist would build enough volume, and be open and honest enough to cripple the dishonest gatherers out there and consolidate orders into ONE place, funneled to a group of florists willing to accept them, and help to take beck from the greedy. Florists can not do this themselves, it will take the help of someone like Aron to do it.

And I think Aron knows he has to be above board and honest with us, if he expects us to help him help ourselves and in the long run regain, rather than lose more.

Time will tell... MY jury is still out...
 
Too bad, I guess we are out then...

We go live with wire services. I also have my preferred florist list from when I owned florist.com. Once florists see our site, we would be more than happy to work with more preferred shops.

Aron

I can't see this being any different than anything else that has been tried. Still limited value for the consumer, and limited value for the customer. We are out because we don't have a wire service. :(

Had hope for a minute...
 
Boss,

Thank you for clairifying my position. It's impossible for me or I think anyone to operate a national flower business and not be working with wire services. What it comes down to whether you love them or hate them they have the NETWORK! Like Boss said, if everyone had MAS then things could be different, but that's not the case so we work with what we have.

As far as Duane's comment about still limited value for the customer, I don't think that is true. Our site is designed to offer choices to to consumers that they can't get anywhere else.

Our ideas for working more closly with florists are much different than the way anyone else is doing conducting business with you when they are giving you a wire in order.

1. We guarantee that we will pass along full value to the florist on merchandise ordered.

2. If you want you can send us images for your zip code and we will put them on our site, you can name them, set the price you want to fill it for. When those sku's are purchased of course your shop fills them.

3. When a customers wants to know if there flowers have been delivered yet, we will gladly pass along the name and phone number of the shop that is filling their order. I like some of the suggestions I have heard thus far and am willing to try them. But at launch it will be as mentioned above.

4. When someone clicks on one of our paid adds for a geographical area, we are going to list three other shops that our consumer can choose from. If they want to see your phone number, they just click a link. ( I want track this, and this is the only way)

One of the links will be a hyper link going directly to the shops website. This idea came from Boss and I am open to it. This portion I don't think we be ready for launch, we have to finish some other things first, and I have to fish out a bunch of shops that have sites.


Ryan,

Thank you for this idea, it's already been sent into a que to be looked at and discussed with the programmers.

See Duane, When you say you can't see anything different that has been tried, you are wrong, so me where others have tried what I am going to do, and then I can agree with you. By the way, if you want to fill our orders, we would be more than happy to give them to you using a credit card. You can keep the wire service 7% for yourself. And I'll eat the rebate.

If anyone else has any outside the box ideas keep them coming.

Thanks,

Aron
 
As far as Duane's comment about still limited value for the customer, I don't think that is true. Thanks,

Aron

Aron is spot on with this comment and something I have purported for years.

You can certainly get better value going thru an honest order gatherer than for instance choosing a florist from a directory or internet yellow pages, or even a wire service directory.

We don't crap shoot like that cuz we have the Golden Preferred Florist List. And it applies a huge percentage of the time. Florists are used with great track records who do not skim incoming - every bit as large of problem as dOG's that skim outgoing.

Experience in sending long distance flower deliveries, just like the rest of our business, nothing substitutes for it.

Aron has that.

So does bloomz.:jester
 
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Good Question: We are going to populate those positions with our preferred list and then draw off the data base of florists from the wire services. Our hopes are that by letting these florists know about these links/text links, they would want to take our orders, or be more likley to take our order over another national seller.

So it's a trade off, I know I will lose some business, it's a matter of how much and how comfortable I am. It all depends on the reputation we get out there and if shops want our orders and are willing to say sure, I'll take your order because your the only national sales guy out there at least trying to do something to change things up a bit.

There will always be shops that don't want order gatherers orders, and we respect that very much. All we say is give us a chance, check out our site and decide for yourself if the way we are going to do business makes you feel comfortable enough to fill our orders.

If it gets really, really, crazy and I'm paying tons of money out to ad words then I may consider letting shops bid nominal amounts in order to keep that slot. But really all I want is shops to do is fill our orders. I'll make it up on overhead.

Boss has seen the entire site and give some insight if I'm just blowing smoke or not.

Thanks,

Aron
 
I just finished a half hour tour of the HonestFlorist.com site like Aron said, and I must say...it's pretty dang nice....ya all know I'm a fan of white/light backgrounds anyway... but.... it's the tools in the box that are going to make a difference...

There are too many "kewl tools" to list right now...but a few for your brains to ponder...

There is a place for the recipient/consumer to upload an image of what they received if they are not (or are?) happy with the design... let's see FTD take this challenge....

There is an option to "lower the price" on some selected items... like, lets say you have a design that has a SRP of $47.99, but want to spend only $42.99 on the flowers... you can change the price, as long as you agree that you know it will be smaller than pictured. How many of us have consumers say "I like that...but can you make it smaller?"...and we say sure...gimme your money. (Oh and the ability to select many upgrade prices is nice too)

Another neat thing, is regional pricing...we all know things cost more in NYC and California than in the middle of Idaho...

Oh and showing regional trends like Erics cut fruit vases in CA but not in TN....

There's a lot more... but since I really don't know how much Aron wants me to put out there (Aron if you want this post removed let me know) before he launches...I'll stop with this...but know there is a bunch more kewl stuff...

Aron and I, as many of you can guess, have spoken at length many times over the last many months. I truely feel he knows that with a name like Honest Florist, he has to be just that, and above board ion each aspect of this new venture. Like I have said in the past, time will tell, and Aron knows I and each one of you will be keeping an eye on him.
 
2. If you want you can send us images for your zip code and we will put them on our site, you can name them, set the price you want to fill it for. When those sku's are purchased of course your shop fills them.
Aron, IMO this is what's long been needed in national selling - the ability for local florists to sell what they (we) really do at prices worked with every day.

I've often used the hotel booking sites as an anaolgy. Imagine if Expedia or Travelocity offered a room at a rate with specific amenities and then got mad when there was no hotel in a town that could accommodate the buyer. When those sites sell travel services, they already know what's available on a given date and they also know the prices - provided by the hotels themselves. Everybody wins. The hotels move existing inventory and the agent gets paid for its marketing services...and if the hotel does a great job, they might get repeat business.

Further - with a larger, more interesting collection of unique designs - you'll have an advantage over the usual national companies when it comes to flower lovers.

When a customers wants to know if there flowers have been delivered yet, we will gladly pass along the name and phone number of the shop that is filling their order.
Excellent.
 
There is a place for the recipient/consumer to upload an image of what they received if they are not (or are?) happy with the design... let's see FTD take this challenge...
Will the images be published for consumers to see? Will the delivering florists be credited with the work?
 
Thanks Boss,

RJD, I would consider having the shop contact the sender directly for those consumers wanting an answer to delivery confirmation. Of course there are things to consider, How much time goes by from the time we pass along the consumers info? Will the shop actively advertise to this consumer in the future? I think so, I don't mind that, as long as they didn't sell us down the river, I can live with good clean competition, but not bad mouthing.

Of course I would have to study the analyze the long term effects doing things this way. I am open to any suggestions on how florists would prefer to work with my new company.

I am curious to see how many productive suggestions I get back, now that someone is finally asking for them.

Thanks,

Aron

Aron,

A little devil's advocate here, please don't take offense to anything.

If someone goes to Google and searches for "florist butler pa", their intent is to find me, not you. I'm a florist in Butler, you're not. I'm not sure what your marketing strategy is, but I can assume it will involve SEO and targeted pages for major and minor cities. That puts you in direct competition with the florists who directly serve those areas.

You're asking us to pay in one form or another to be listed on your website. This is either a direct payment to you, or you keeping a percentage of every order you harvest, or both. Through the miracle of high rankings and customer confusion, you'll harvest an order and pass it along to a florist your preferred list.

And your concern is that we might market to a customer you harvested from us? The nerve of us to provide information to someone who was looking for us in the first place!

What's there to like for florists who aren't on your preferred list? (for full disclosure to everyone who's not Aron, we were on the florist.com preferred list before he sold the company, so I assume we'll be in the select group when the new one launches).

And Boss, why MAS or FAS only? Why not work with FloristWare to tap into the ordering system? Mark is amenable to things like this, and fully capable. There's no reason to be exclusionary.

My honest feeling is this--you don't know what the customer's relationship is with the recipient. You don't know if this is a one-time purchase (sympathy from a business), infrequent (birthday), or a frequent (monthly) purchase. Granted, you can infer from card messages and tracking data as time goes on, but really, in the end, you're looking for orders, and your definition of a relationship is repeat orders. However, our definition of a relationship is knowing the preferences of the family members, their colors, what ribbons they liked. There's no database you can design that can replace the kind of knowledge we have (and I know because I do that for a living).

In the end, the only equitable way to treat a customer is to be a middleman for relationships, not a middleman for orders. It's not as likely to be as profitable for you, but it makes you more valuable to consumers, and that will bring a decent reward of its own.

So, if you're planning on being a middleman for orders, what makes you different?

Devilish enough?
 
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[And Boss, why MAS or FAS only? Why not work with FloristWare to tap into the ordering system? Mark is amenable to things like this, and fully capable. There's no reason to be exclusionary.]

Here....Here!! When I started using FloristWare in 2005, one of the first things I thought of was how easy it would be to network directly with other florists...provided they know how to use a computer and the Internet.
 
Rich, Dorothy and anyone else without a WS-POS...

I did not intend to neglect any independent technology provider...all willing to work together are welcome in my book.

I only mentioned MAS cuz thats what I run, and FAS because there has been talk of the possibles...I mean come on.. I did mention FAS....:eek:face
 
Aron -

Can you tell me about the ad Honest Florist is running in our local AT&T Yellow Pages? (Attached) Local 714 area code and "Buy 1 Get 1 Free" in the add.

Have you opened a brick & mortar flower shop here in Orange County?
 

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