I hate guns part 2

[bloomz]

Since the other one was closed???

Police chief, club indicted in boy's Uzi death

Child accidentally shot himself in the head after losing control of weapon


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28053880/

Why are they closed so early?

 

[Connie]

The story of the youngster accidentally shooting himself is sad, sad indeed.

I missed the first thread.

 

[HeatherTuckey]

Hubby built our home office when we bought our house 11 years ago. Along with built in desks, bookshelves and file cabinet drawers, there is a LOCKED gun cabinet with 8 rifles and a handgun. It is three feet to my right.

Did I mention it is LOCKED, and my kids have been taught repeatedly about gun safety in the event they EVER come upon a gun or unlocked gun cabinet while at a friends home.

Guns don't kill children... stupid adults do.

Three of my closest neighbors are two police officers and an ATF agent. My husbands father was a state trooper. Responsible adults with guns know that kids may be curious and need to address this curiousity so that children never handle guns without a parent. All of these homes have guns, and they are all locked.

 

[lori042499]

I also have a home gun cabinet, with an arsenal of collectible firearms...

They are locked in, unloaded and trigger locked...Ammo is in a completely different locked cabinet away from them...

My husband's carrying firearm, that is always on his person stays loaded, when it is not on his person it is kept in a vault on his dresser that he has the only combination for...

I was required to take a gun safety class and all people in my house have been taught about the rules surrounding the guns, the rules are that the gun cabinet is off limits at all times...it is in my bedroom and we make that room off limits....they have been taught the dangers of guns and shown what kind of accidents can happen when fooling around with items of this nature. They have also been taught about the difference between video game death and real death and how real life is tragic...

It really is a shame that so many people own guns and keep them accesible to their children..I am not saying this tragedy could never occur in my house, because kids are curious and do get in trouble, but education and safety is a good way to help that it does not happen...the same with teen pregnancy...it happens to some of the best kids, but education is the best defense...

By the way, I was a gun hater but the class made me understand them and have less fear and more respect for them...so I do understand the need or want for not having them in your home or life for that matter...but if you do have a partner who insists on having them best to educate yourself and those you love to the hilt...

 

[bloomz]

Maybe I was/am odd man out but my Dad never bought me toy guns and only when I was a teenager he let me buy a shotgun - and he hunted pheasants with me. Only gun I've ever owned, long gone.

I am planning on doing same with my little boy - it ididn't hurt me. I have no fear for them.

I agree about keeping them absolutely locked up even tho that negates the idea people have them to protect their families.

And according to that 60 minutes or whatever it was I saw - you can not keep kids from playing with them no matter how much you drill teach and educate them. They will hadle and play with them when the adults are gone, they will try to load them and they will point and try to shoot them at each other.

 

[aileen_c]

That's really sad. As a parent, I would never allow my 8 year child to fire any weapon. My father owns a huge gun safe filled with various guns. We were taken shooting often but only when we were 16 and up. We were taken to indoor shooting ranges more often than outdoor ones. When visiting family in Montana, we were only allowed to fire a shotgun at the clay pigeons. Any of us under 16 were not allowed to handle a weapon.

I feel for the 15 year old as he's going to have to live with that for the rest of his life, knowing his actions caused the death of a child.

 

[bloomz]

I'm glad they were charged with a crime.

 

[avenuegardensflorist]

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... i always wondered how many people have been robbed and/or killed and had a 'locked' gun stored away in a cabinet.??? So much for self-defense. We have to make sure the thugs do not get hurt.

 

[LORRIE]

Well, raised on a rural farm here. Always had guns behind the kitchen door to fend off varmits and Dad had an extensive collection. The rule was we were NEVER to touch without permission and we were taught to shoot and hunt at a very early age. Got my 1st gun at age 6 for (just what every 6 year old girl wants) Christmas gift. If we disobeyed we were promised a kick in the a@@, and Dad provided that too, LOL. Only takes one kick to learn the rule! No namby pamby discipline there. While my kids were VERY little I had no guns in the house, but since being though a major hurricane disaster and having wild looters running though the neighborhood, while we had no doors or windows, I now keep a handgun and a serious dog. My kids are grown, but still don't know where it's kept, unloaded in my home waiting for MY use only. I will defend myself and my family if necessary. Just a different view, as Bloomz says, opinions vary!

 

[bloomz]

Here's the caveat - how you gonna use an unloaded gun - ask the perp to wait while you get the ammo?

So - unless you use it for hunting or plinking - what's the point of these "defense weapons" if they're unloaded?

I guess you could bluff but that's a dangerous game to play.

 

[Mikey the Flower Guy]

Here's the caveat - how you gonna use an unloaded gun - ask the perp to wait while you get the ammo?

So - unless you use it for hunting or plinking - what's the point of these "defense weapons" if they're unloaded?

I guess you could bluff but that's a dangerous game to play.

I really don't think kids of today, are like kids of the past, that respected the rule of law, and understood the ramifications of discipline.
Adults should bear 100% of the responsibility of the mis-use of ANY guns in THEIR "possession" regardless of the circumstances.
Lori's kids have moved away, she keeps a gun, good for her, perps beware.
BUT, the "law" doesn't really "allow" you to "defend" yourself, so, IF you're GOING to shoot, shoot to kill....that's it!!

 

[lori042499]

Here's the caveat - how you gonna use an unloaded gun - ask the perp to wait while you get the ammo?

So - unless you use it for hunting or plinking - what's the point of these "defense weapons" if they're unloaded?

I guess you could bluff but that's a dangerous game to play.

Locked and unloaded, never....only his hobby and collection guns are locked and unloaded in a gun case...

His regular carry and protection weapon is next to our bed in his vault with a finger combination...He has lightning fast reflexes and can hear a noise jump out of bed and have weapon in hand ready in 5 seconds and has done this on a few occasions...he has never had to use his weapon, but does not hesitate to have it ready just in case....


I do not carry because I am not 100% sure I could kill someone if I needed to...I am afraid that I would be that person that would get killed with their own gun by a bad guy because I wouldn't be able to do the deed...I am also not as good as my husband at the details, so I would probably go to jail for hurting an unarmed person because I panic....It is a huge amount of responsibility that I myself do not want or feel I have the ability to handle but he is 100% confident in his abilities to determine in a split second what needs to be done if it does....so I trust that...

Like I said before, just because of all of this knowledge or training certainly in no way ever means there would never ever be a gun related accident in my house, you can never ever say never when you have such a thing and kids are very curious again that is why they dies from drug overdoses and teens get pregnant...you can tell them all you want that they shouldn't play with these things, but curiosity killed the cat..

 

[theRKF]

Since the other one was closed???
...
Why are they closed so early?

I believe they are closed after 90 days of inactivity. That other thread has been inactive since Oct 08.

Ryan

 

[Iris Eyes]

I never even saw a real gun until I went on vacation out of the country and like 99% of the population here never held 1 in my hands .

 

[Chezbloom]

My nephew shot himself in the head last year with his mother's locked up gun. He broke the door to her bedroom. My neighbors 6 year old got paralyzed in 1980 when playing with a "hidden" antique but loaded gun in parents bedroom. My dad has alzheimers and he also has a garage full of rifles and a Glock. I hate guns. I don't have one, I also don't have anything in my house worth stealing. I am rather fond of hunting knives though.

 

[master J]

just for the record, I hate GUNS!!!!

Instead, Ill keep a baseball bat under the bed.....Id rather beat someones brains out instead...and don't have to worry about accidents with kids finding it-

 

[Chezbloom]

Ha, I just got this great visual of Master J wailing on some dumb thief bas*trd with two baseball bats (drummer style) while singing "peanut butter jelly time" from Family guy. I would actually pay to see that.

 

[TGDragonfly]

I remember buying a pellet gun from Sports Authority to kill squirrels in my back yard. I remember trying to conceal it as I was walking out the front door in front of a police squad car all the way to my white Van. This was in DC back when there was a sniper at large.

 

[Iris Eyes]

Hows the baby mole Thom ,still alive ?

 

[TGDragonfly]

Baby Mole died last night. We had a baby Mole funeral this morning. Babies are babies, it says something when a 4 year old sheds a tear for a baby mole.