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I'm expecting a slow summer here in So Cal. Could be worse though.

Last night I watched a show called swamp loggers. It's about these swamp loggers (Duh) in North Carolina. Because of the economic slowdown, the entire industry is sucking badly. The show is primarily about a fourth generation company which may or may not survive. It's pretty sad. I can't watch it anymore.
 
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It's slow here in the South too. I'll take it that the 4th's pulled alot of the people out of town.
 
Talk about slow. I'm in OH and I think people have stopped dying! How does your funeral business dry up? One funeral home close by said that many of their clients are cutting burial expenses to the bone, opting for graveside services so they don't have to pay for the use of the funeral parlor. Apparently that translates into fewer flowers or no flowers at all.
 
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We watched it last night too. Seems like such a decent guy and his crew. Made me very sad too.

Thanks for the funeral info as well. Reasonable analysis keeps me from becoming completely overwhelmed.
 
quiet here.......most of the cars on the main street are at the barber shop (next door) and at the bars......(we have 3 of those) but it's "gone to camp" time and it's rained 26 out of 30 days here (still raining in spurts now - over 7" of rain this month alone).
Two funerals this week both no services, not even gravesides are mentioned. One funeral scheduled for Monday and neither wholesaler is carrying much in premium flowers at the end of the week due to the holiday. That did force me to order from FB!
Shop is cleaned, re-arranged, coolers next.... playing with table pieces for wedding July 25th....taking pictures....maybe some silks next....
 
It seems the funeral homes are also being hit hard in this economy.

We have flowers ordered for a service at a church tomorrow and I asked the church sec'y if she had the name of the funeral home handling the service. (We always call to check & see if there's a viewing and then direct the flowers there so the family can see them as long as possible.)

The mortuary receptionist put me on hold 3 or 4 times and finally a lady comes on and tersely says, 'The family is on their own on this one and we have nothing to do with the service.'

Apparently it's a memorial service and not a traditional funeral, but I don't recall ever having been told 'it's not our problem' by a FH.
 
our service on Monday is by the family and I've had two burials in the past two weeks that had no mortuary or funeral director. The family has done it...direct cremations....then burial sometimes with a church service. Tis another sign of the times....along with deceased wishes to keep everything simple.
 
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our funeral director has been hit hard too- in the last month 2 very prominate ladies died- the first, had no service at all. really tough, not only for him and the florists but also for the townspeople that are left stranded, wanting to do something but not being able to.

the 2nd had their own service- and the funeral home had nothing to do with it.

so sad, they are really good people. We talked and he was just beside himself- and wondering what in the world I was doing to survive. He is on the NV board of funeral directors and sees this move away from funeral services as a trend.

thank goodness people are still getting married.
 
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It's sad to see the funeral industry dying, but they won't get my sympathy, they haven't been exactly supportive to the floral industry. I kind of think that the whole thing is flawed and probably is not beneficial to the system. When you die, they pump you full of formaldehyde, stick you in a steel box, stick that box in a larger cement box, and bury you in a hole. Seem like we have created a bag of toxic waste that needs to be sealed and discarded in concentrated areas close to towns and cities underground water supplies.

I like this whole push for green funerals. I like the idea that families can have their loved ones at home for a few days before burial. I like that one can buy a organic hemp shroud as a casket. I prefer my body becoming a source of nutrients for the earth to reabsorb. I figure I've done enough damage to the earth without polluting it for another 1000 years when I'm gone.

Seems like a good idea for the floral industry to support this, the plus is that families will have a huge amount of SAVED money which means that they can spend some of it on flowers. You know that's how funeral flowers became so popular at funerals, to disguise any aroma of death before we started embalming during the war. Does it really matter to you that your body becomes a cesspool of goo that lies in a steel box for a thousand years?

Just a thought.
 
As a funeral director turned florist, I can tell you that in most cases a person's opinion about caskets. funerals and their worth mirrors their opinion about flowers and their usefullness at services. Most bronze/copper caskets have full rose covers. Most flat top wood boxes have nothing or perhaps s single rose. While I understand the "green" burial, I doubt that those individuals will spend the exta money on flowers. I have always thought that undertakers and florists must work together, as our businesses are so intertwined. Sadly, some FD don't get it. Fortunately, most Southern FD do.
 
As a funeral director turned florist, I can tell you that in most cases a person's opinion about caskets. funerals and their worth mirrors their opinion about flowers and their usefullness at services. Most bronze/copper caskets have full rose covers. Most flat top wood boxes have nothing or perhaps s single rose. While I understand the "green" burial, I doubt that those individuals will spend the exta money on flowers. I have always thought that undertakers and florists must work together, as our businesses are so intertwined. Sadly, some FD don't get it. Fortunately, most Southern FD do.

Your right, good point, but the way people think about what they by and why they buy it is evolving too. Do I buy a Mercedes and bury it the ground, or do I buy a bicycle and bury that, or can I just give that money to my wife and kids and bury myself naked?

If one does any research into the green burial push you will discover a HUGE resistance and lobbying effort to bury it by the funeral industry.
I think it boils down to giving us the right to choose instead of being mandated to do and pay for the death process.
 
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I agree with you for the most part. Leaving $ to wife and kids is different that using it to buy flowers. I know you are a big event florist, so I compare a 15,000 funeral to a 15,000 wedding. When the day is done...what do you have to show for it except memories. Funerals are really nothing but a grieving process with a touch of showmanship (watch what unfolds with M Jackson). Plus people have insurance to cover their "last party", unlike weddings. When my mother died last year, she had over 150 pieces at her church service. I wonder how many there would have been had I dropped her in a hole in the pasture. BTW, I'm not opposed to people having the choice of traditional/cremation/green, but the FDs are only fighting the issue like we fight "in Lieu of". It''s a matter of survival. That being said...there are some bad FD out there, that like bad florists, give all a bad name. I think you and I agree in theory
 
I do agree. I think it best to be proactive in your market especially when your up against bad FD's.

I don't agree with you, I'm not a big event florist, I'm very small compared to most.
 
My bad. I just assumed by your posts that you are a big event guy. I'll bet that although you are smaller than some, you are larger than most here. I have enjoyed the friendly banter, but must get to work. We actually have a butt load of funeral work today. I thnk 5 casket sprays plus lots of other stuff. We're one of the shops that are known for unusual funeral work. I think today we have a slot machine and domino to make in addition to traditional stuff. Have a great day
 
The last 4 deaths in our community have been folks under the age of 55. And not one of them were buried thru our local funeral home. They all chose to go to a FH outside the community. Some to locations we service, others not. that has really hit our bottom line. It doesn't surprise me because our local fH guy is 85 and hasn't updated his parlor since I've been here (1984) and his wife is not the friendliest person to work with.
 
I've always thought it would be better to send flowers way after the funeral once depression supersedes the whirlwind of kind gestures and the dizzying actual loss and funeral. What if you guys offered a grieving package that would supply a fresh bouquet once a month for a year for a set price that people can purchase and rest in assurance that you will handle it?

It might be a wise to purchase a small add on the obit page of your local newspaper and create wording that will explain the benefits. What better way is there to express to grieving person that your still remembering them when they need it the most?

Just a thought.
 
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I agree with you for the most part. Leaving $ to wife and kids is different that using it to buy flowers. I know you are a big event florist, so I compare a 15,000 funeral to a 15,000 wedding. When the day is done...what do you have to show for it except memories. Funerals are really nothing but a grieving process with a touch of showmanship (watch what unfolds with M Jackson). Plus people have insurance to cover their "last party", unlike weddings. When my mother died last year, she had over 150 pieces at her church service. I wonder how many there would have been had I dropped her in a hole in the pasture. BTW, I'm not opposed to people having the choice of traditional/cremation/green, but the FDs are only fighting the issue like we fight "in Lieu of". It''s a matter of survival. That being said...there are some bad FD out there, that like bad florists, give all a bad name. I think you and I agree in theory

John, I am glad to see you posting. You have such a wealth of knowledge in so many areas. Thanks for sharing.

Carol Bice
 
Carol, you are too kind. I posted because funerals, flowers and funeral flowers are my passion. I suppose my FTD years and Gerald Stevens years, gave me a great education in a number of arenas. I'll try to post more often. Regards to Buddy
JP
 
It's sad to see the funeral industry dying, but they won't get my sympathy, they haven't been exactly supportive to the floral industry.

I believe this is "in part" our (florist industry's) own fault...locally and nationally.

When TSFA had a booth at the TFDA Convention in 2008, many funeral directors said that they do not have any relationship with any of their local florists (and I am not talking about a percentage deal...just a networking relationship). I do not know of very many businesses ....in any industry....that thrives without some business relationships with another companies that can "help your business" (OK, baddly put...but the point is in there).

Nationally, our industry lost major ground when nothing was done between 1990 to 2007 as per my early 2007 email below;



Now, for my view on the “State of the Industry” regarding Sympathy Flower Marketing;

A quote from A Centennial History of the American Florist by Francis Dudley;
“FLORIST INFORMATION COUNCIL. In 1957, the Florist Information Council (FIC) formed a standing committee for the purpose of combating the use of the phrase “Please omit flowers” in the media.”

Question, what happened to FIC? It was never part of AFMC (that was created later) and we can see from the 90’s sympathy marketing that it was still a separate group from AFMC and AFE, which neither was created solely “purpose of combating the use of the phrase”. It was the FIC vision that came up with the Funeral Directors Marketing Kit in 1991 using the 1990 Virginia Polytech study. But…nothing has been updated since 1990, some 17 years ago. When I see someone’s “cause” literature/brochure using a 17 year old study, I think that their “cause” needs the figures from that outdated study or they do not see the importance to fund a new study. Maybe that is just me…but I doubt it, the funeral directors are not dumb. 17 years…that was a long time ago….less than 1% had personal computers and cell phones were like big walkie talkies for a business man.

It was also FIC’s vision that came up with this 1990 Sympathy Program;
Sympathy Programs
The concern: “In Lieu of flowers” phrases in death notices
The approach: An industry awareness campaign
**Public relations efforts encourage funeral directors to view flowers as a necessary part of the memorialization process as well as a source of warmth and beauty at funerals.
**Alternate phrase cards for funeral directors offer a choice of phrases that name a requested charity without a negative reference to flowers.
**A Special Representative of SAF visits national sympathy industry conventions to strengthen ties with the floral industry.
**The booklet “Take a Fresh Look at Your Sympathy Business” offers dozens of ideas for maintaining the sympathy business and lessening the effects of “in lieu of”.
**Camera-ready advertisements offer a dignified way to promote a service and product at a sensate time.
**Carefully researched speaker cards provide information and Humorous material that adds interest to professional commentators sympathy flower presentations.
**Ongoing press releases to back the floral and sympathy industries help keep readers informed about the importance of flowers in the bereavement process.
It is unfortunate that some of this information is not available to your marketing department; I would think that the past “campaign” items and notes would be invaluable as a starting point on any new sympathy floral campaign.

In getting some feedback from a funeral person that was part of the Funeral Directors Association, his comment was that the floral industry has abandoned our own “cause” marketing within their industry since we have not had any representation at their conventions or trade magazine since the late 80’s and very early 90’s. By representation, he mentioned booth representation showing new funeral floral products (flowers and hard goods), new floral trends, a floral display, and someone to field questions and/or be a sounding board for gripes. Some reasons that might contribute their feeling of abandonment are; it has been since the late 80’s/early 90’s did someone in the floral industry (or representing the floral industry) asking to speak at their convention, it has been over since the 90’s since a National Floral Association has submitted a “cause” article to their industry magazine (except a little over 5 years when a Houston florist submitted something). . In summary, this person alluded to that we are being out marketed by the cause donation organizations because we have abandoned our own cause.

In summary, basically nothing has been done for the florists “cause” on floral flowers marketing and In Lieu Of Flowers marketing since 1990. No new research/studies to use to market to the funeral directors or consumers, not new marketing campaigns, no new public press releases, etc..
 
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