Lighting, Crowning Glory and Flowers

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Mocha Rose

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I'm having my open house this weekend and we brought in lots of lighting that you'd typically see at high end events. This is a two day event for us and unfortuantely the lighting fried a lot of my flowers! My poor white peonies. I've noticed that the worst of the damage is on flowers that I used crowning glory on and it is almost like the coating is what was burned and turned brown.

So does anyone work with lighting for events lasting longer than a day and stuck around to see the results? Do you use CG with lighting?

(by the way, this is new crowning glory not the recalled product)
 
Yes, yes, yes! Crowning Glory is back. New and improved and fabulous. We should have it available on our site for purchase next week. (a small plug - www.flowerschool.com) Our shipment is due in on Monday. We'll post it as soon as we see it come in the door.

Yippee! I love Crowning Glory and have missed it terribly.

You can also check with your local wholesaler. (a plug for the wholesale community) I think most everyone will have it on the shelf soon.
Leanne
 
The new Crowning Glory is distributed through the Pete Garcia Co. to the wholesale community. The actual product is manufactured by George and Jim Wolfe in Lorena, Texas. John Henry is no longer the distributor.
Leanne
 
I never liked Crowning Glory because it seemed too heavy on the flowers and I didn't like the way it coated the flowers. At the last shop I worked in they used Aquafinish, and I liked that a lot better it seemed lighter,and to me, the flowers looked better. Just my opinion .
 
Have you tried the usage of 1/2 & 1/2 with crown & glory? The heat of the lights maybe has turned your flowers.
Good luck with your open house !!! Send photos!!!! :blowkiss:
 
I'm so sorry to hear about the trouble you had with the lighting "burning" your flowers:( The chemicals in the Crowning Glory may be heat sensitive and perhaps even flameable. Check the ingredients and any warnings on the label. Also, certain types of lighting are naturally very hot and will cause burn especially on white and other light colored flowers. I know that LED lighting is low heat but I don't know if it would be bright enough for "showcasing" your flowers. Do you know what type of lighting it was? Incandescent? Halogen? Incandescent burns especially hot. How close were the flowers to the lighting?

I would be great if we could have a thread started on the topic of "flower safe lighting". Also, it might be good if we found out if Crowning Glory and other products like it are heat/flame sensitive.

I wish I knew more about event lighting so I could help you more. My knowledge leans more to aquatic plants and "spectrum" lighting.
 
April,
Event lighting is very, very hot.....It's not just the Crown & Glory.....It's the lighting bulbs and the heat they generate. (Think stage prodcution lighting......powerful, and very hot!!)

I do not know the answer to this one. We have had to work very, very carefully when there is event lighting...and actually be prepared to replace flowers or bring in duplicate pieces if it is a multiple day event.

Cathy (CHR) may be better able to give you answer on this one.

Hope this helps!
Cheryl
 
First of all what type of lights did you this, were these gell, pin light?? or can lights? The flowers should not have cooked unless the lighting was not done properly?? Did you have a professional company do this? This will help better to answer you..
 
I've attached a few photos. The peony arrangement is with the replacement peonies that I added today but you can see the pin spot lighting. The crowning glory really reacted under the heat.

The rose shows the damage. The CG actually "fried" on the petals and left shiny spots, discoloration and burnt spots. These roses didn't even have direct lighting on them. However, the lighting was used in the space for about 10 hours total. I also noticed what appeared to be "bleaching" damage to some of the brighter, delicate flowers like my anemones and lisianthus.

I'll post more photos in a separate thread of the event overall. (It was a great event!)

I'm really curious about lighting and the effects on the flowers. I will not use the CG anymore for any arrangements that are going in a lighted area. I just think it is interesting because I think it is a rare situation when a florist actually sees the arrangements after an event to see the damage. I'm going to talk with the lighting guy on Monday when he picks up his equipment. He knows his stuff.
 
Here are the pics.
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While it is possible that the plastic suspended in the crowning glory solution fried on the petals, I had a similar reaction happen to my bridal bouquet back in 06. It's almost a sticky brown "residue" that gets left after the CG evaporates. I actually spent most of my wedding morning picking the sticky brown residue off the peonies and the edges of those pink peonies look exactly like what I experienced-with no lights. The edges almost pucker up... It was awful! I can't even IMAGINE if that would have happened to a clients bouquet... :boggles: Anyway, I've never had good luck with the stuff and, hot lights or not, you probably would have had the same results.
 
felicityflowers said:
While it is possible that the plastic suspended in the crowning glory solution fried on the petals, I had a similar reaction happen to my bridal bouquet back in 06. It's almost a sticky brown "residue" that gets left after the CG evaporates. I actually spent most of my wedding morning picking the sticky brown residue off the peonies and the edges of those pink peonies look exactly like what I experienced-with no lights. The edges almost pucker up... It was awful! I can't even IMAGINE if that would have happened to a clients bouquet... :boggles: Anyway, I've never had good luck with the stuff and, hot lights or not, you probably would have had the same results.
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Yes! That is exactly the experience I had! I couldn't afford to replace all of the peonies (nor get them to open in a few hours) so I replaced a few and trimmed off the brown stuff with scissors.
 
Just an update on the lighting situation. I replaced the peonies that took the most damage from the lighting with fresh ones before day #2 of the event (these were the ones on the top). I used the same lighting for the same time period. The only difference was that I did not use the crowning glory on the replacements.

I checked the new peonies after the second day was over and they did not have the same damage. They had a little heat damage which is to be expected, but did not have the strange plasticy burnt coating of the ones treated with crowning glory.

I'm meeting with the lighting guy (known to be the best in the city) and I will ask him what kind of lighting was used and what kind of reactions he has seen to flowers after events in the past.

I'm going to research these issues a little further.

But has anyone noticed any problems with the new crowning glory in general? I've had it leave "bleached out" spots on my anemones and lisianthus.
 
Mocha Rose,
Thank you so much for posting about this. It's great to learn about these variables affecting the flowers. Learn something new everyday!!~A
 
Regarding lighting... I do stage/production lighting as part of life, and a friend here does stadium lighting for ESPN and concerts... most of my experience is with 750 watt Leco's and Par4 lighting that we use for stage productions.

Even at 50 feet from the stage the heat from the lights in enough to make you sweat, especially when I use 50-60 per stage...

If the lights used were theatrical lighting, and if they were fairly close to the flowers, it is very possible, and likely that they lights heated the flowers enough to do damage over a couple/few hours. CG could have added to the deterioration. Were the blooms wet when placed in the lighting?
 
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