Look what kremp just sent me

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Not that I'm siding with anyone in particular but......

In reference to the "The only way to become The Florist of the year is to screw the other florists" comment....

What the heck is the the difference between what he's doing, this Kremp guy, and lets say the shop I work for offering 2 dozen roses for $65 at Valentines day.

The maneuver is clearly done to receive as many orders as possible. To get more orders than the competing shops and also make us able to compete with the grocery stores.

I got this Idea from the post I read on FC. And in particular RC posts.

I remember when I first started coming to FC reading how he'd make this big beautiful casket spray that in the store I work for would cost at least $600. He said he'd make it for $150, and it wouldn't be "that skimpy"

That statement has stuck with me ever since I read it.

"How could that be?" I thought to my self "how could he possibly make a casket spray like that, but fuller for only $150?"

Now I know RC has a great big operation. I thought to myself "how could I apply those same principals to the shop I manage? How can I make more sales, offer flowers less expensively, and still make the mark up I need to?"

Well I can't order on the scale RC's stores do, but I did some figuring out, I paid way more attention to what was said by the big dogs in FC, And I'm learning how to play the game.

WITH THAT SAID.....

We are offering our premium dozen roses at Valentines day for $85.

We used to sell them for $75 everyday. We lowered our price to $70, so at $85, that's not too bad. Plus we are offering our everyday short compact dozen roses at $35.. we always sell them for $35, and we sell lots of them, we sell lots of the long stemmed at $70 as well. AND we are going to offer everyday 2 dozen short stemmed roses for $65.

Now with that said....

Back in the day I can remember in the town I grew up in and started my crazy career in the floral biz, All the flower shops would call each other before a major holiday and make sure we were all on the same page...

"how much are you gonna sell your dozen for?"
"We were thinking $75, how 'bout you?"
"Yeah, we'll do ours at $75 too."
"Cool."

everybody was on the same page. That don't happen anymore.

My POINT to all this is-----> Is it really considered "screwing" the other florists if you are just looking out for what's best for your shop, your crew, yourself?

I'm not defending what I do, NOR am I saying that what RC or anyone else does is wrong or bad. I personally think RC is pretty freaking smart the way he runs his business....
But how many shops have closed because they couldn't compete? How many aspiring shop owners would never dream of opening anywhere near him because they knew they couldn't compete.

I really do think this flower business is getting very dog eat dog. It seems more and more I see shops who want to annihilate their competition. squash them like little bugs.

I feel bad for little shops. But I have to do what's best for my employer...
It's a personal paradox of sorts for me.

I want everyone to be successful, but mostly I want the shop I'm working for to be the most successful of all...
Hard to have both.
 
I smell envy... or is it jealousy?
 
I smell envy... or is it jealousy?
Of Kremp... ya OK dude... you're breathing too much 100% oxygen while bus diving over there...

And Shannon... would you consider me smart as well if I put up 115,000 doorway pages? Or am I simply looking out for "what's best for your shop, your crew, yourself?"

To me, doorways, like Chuck uses that say "We deliver to Mancos CO" are unethical, I guess you don't see it that way.
 
I'll ask Missy to confirm this ... but I'm fairly sure it was Kremp who was in town a couple months back at a seminar hosted by Hofland. He was the featured speaker, and laid out his case that florists don't really need a website, and that OGs are doing the industry a favour by increasing demand for flower purchases.

Sadly, many in the crowd bought into it.
 
Now that's just sickening!
 
Ryan, no need to check, Chuck's said that in other venue's IIRC.
 
please do check - I have never heard anything like that, and can't see him alienating intelligent florists with carp like that.

and yes I have spoke with him about this particular matter.

I see him fighting 800TFTD for orders, just like anyone else with a decent web presence does.

It's the same thing Ryan has talked about before - anyone with half a presence in their own city can easily "take back" their listings for Kremp or Wesley or any of them. They're not bothering me fershure..

You just gotta have the will, drive, and wherewithal to do it.

If you don't, well geez, shame on those that do?

naw.....
 
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I see him fighting 800TFTD for orders, just like anyone else with a decent web presence does.
Big difference between having a good "presence" for YOUR CITY and having thousands of doorways saying he delivers to freaking Midland!

I'm just say'n....
 
please do check - I have never heard anything like that, and can't see him alienating intelligent florists with carp like that.

It's the same thing Ryan has talked about before - anyone with half a presence in their own city can easily "take back" their listings for Kremp or Wesley or any of them.

I don't think he was targeting the intelligent florists with that speech ;)

It's like you said - anyone can take their local area. So what does a crafty OG do? Convince the masses to lay down and wait for scraps. Never said he wasn't smart.

JB, I think you know where I stand on the OG issue. What I do take issue with is a presenter being billed as an industry icon, multi-generational family florist guy coming in to share his secrets of success with other florists at a local wholesale-sponsored event, and using that platform to spread bad advice that will contribute to the downfall of those in attendance who buy what he's selling.

Ryan
 
Of Kremp... ya OK dude... you're breathing too much 100% oxygen while bus diving over there...

And Shannon... would you consider me smart as well if I put up 115,000 doorway pages? Or am I simply looking out for "what's best for your shop, your crew, yourself?"

To me, doorways, like Chuck uses that say "We deliver to Mancos CO" are unethical, I guess you don't see it that way.
Boss, I'm not considering him (Kremp) smart....But you know what, on second thought, yes, maybe he is smart... Is he ethical? me thinks not so much....

But My post wasn't necessarily directed toward OG's, FTR, we do not accept OG's orders.

My post was directed toward the dog eat dog mentality that florists have become within home towns.

Maybe it has become dog eat dog Because of guys like Kremp???? I don't know....
It's just not the sweet little business I remember it being when I was a kid.
It was always hard work, just never this aggressive.

And, It was just my observations..

P.S. I'd like to see him deliver to Mancos, CO!!!!!!!!! LET HIM TRY!!!!
((((((((((((((ah, funny joke for Shannon ))))))))))))))))
 
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So.......you would just take it upon yourself to sub the container???

This order is/was a complaint waiting to happen....also, i did the right thing by rejecting, especially in a speedy manner....lots of shops would have just subbed and hoped the customer didnt complain....yet another reason i stopped sending....dont accept the order if there is no second choice and you do not have the appropriate container.


When a shop sends an order for something specific to their site and it says similar or states on their website that the container may be different, yes I would sub....I said on first glance also, This one I would probably call because a plain bucket would ruin the arrangement...This is one reason why flowers on the web suks outloud...there are way too many variables...and then you have shops like this that take their chances with what they get. They should be responsible for any complaints on these as it is their stupidity for allowing these on non-local orders, but I am sure it does fall back on fillers as it always does...
 
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Big difference between having a good "presence" for YOUR CITY and having thousands of doorways saying he delivers to freaking Midland!

I'm just say'n....

Funny last nite I didn't find any for my city in the first few pages - non issue

Maybe it has become dog eat dog Because of guys like Kremp???? I don't know....

Or maybe he's a smart player in a dog eat dog world?

I'd like to think I am.....and I know I didn't create the environment we work in now, but I have reacted to it.

remember...

opinions vary
 
what is sad, is that we are STILL "debating" this issue.....gullibility still reigns supreme in florist land

I dunno Mikey. I think the debate has been over for a while. Nobody with half a clue believes the "good for the industry" thing.

I think that the reason the debate is still around is because most florists still haven't decided what to do about it.
 
Or maybe he's a smart player in a dog eat dog world?

I'd like to think I am.....and I know I didn't create the environment we work in now, but I have reacted to it.

remember...

opinions vary

Boss, I'm not considering him (Kremp) smart....But you know what, on second thought, yes, maybe he is smart... Is he ethical? me thinks not so much....

But My post wasn't necessarily directed toward OG's, FTR, we do not accept OG's orders.

My post was directed toward the dog eat dog mentality that florists have become within home towns.

Maybe it has become dog eat dog Because of guys like Kremp???? I don't know....
It's just not the sweet little business I remember it being when I was a kid.
It was always hard work, just never this aggressive.

And, It was just my observations..

The business has drastically charged. We all must have a VERY different business plan that we did 5-10 years ago. I agree with both Bloomz and Shannon, many florists/OG's cross the line and are decieving the consumers in various ways. No one florist or group of florists is going to change these unethical practices b/c the line is just too fuzzy and there are too many big players benefiting. I admire you "dreamers" out there that want to change the industry for the better, I really do. But... I am a realist and choose to react as Bloomz does, without crossing over the line with deceptive advertising or featuring an item that I can not likely wire out "as pictured". I keep those creative items with products only I am likely to carry on my "philly phavorites" page.

I don't think it's as dog eat dog between florists in each others markets... just with OG's, and a few florists that have stepped over the ethical line.
 
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