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As soon as the judges learned that she was from a Christian college, she was sure to have such a question. IMHO

BTW, my twin daughters participated in their high school pageants, and they had a blast! They learned a great deal about make up, poise, and gaining self-confidence. When the first twin said that she wanted to be in the Miss Freshman competition, I was appalled, but when I witnessed how she was growing/gaining from the experience, I was happy that she had made that decision. Both of the girls competed for Miss Senior. They did not bring home trophies (blind judges LOL), but they did bring home many good things from having participated in the pageants.
 
Why in the world have a question like that if they didn't want to chance someone having "the wrong" answer?
Strange...but hey, it's a pageant.
 
Loaded question for sure...

Perez Hilton should have never been any kind of judge...He makes a living being mean and nasty about celebrities and their cottage cheese butts or bad clothes...What were the pageant people thinking...

As for her answer to the question, I think pnyflr has it right, she should have answered it more diplomatic, as it would be her job to do so in the future as she is interviewed...i appreciate the fact that she wasn't fake and didn't say what she thought the judges wanted to hear, but it could have been more eloquently put, but nerves probably got the best of her...

We do live in a free country, free to say what we want, but everyday most of us show some restraint in what we say to each other to be diplomatic and not purposely hurt people's feelings...If we didn't what kind of civilization would we have...I know daily I say things that I would love to say differently or harsher but I do not because I have a business and I need to be seen as easy to deal with or diplomatic in some ways..
 
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OK, I just have to jump in here. I am a former Mrs. Nebraska, 2005. I know, I know. I had to say it. Just as in our business, there are good pageants and bad pageants. But, having been invovled in the Miss America and Mrs. America systems for years, I can tell you that pageants for young women are a good thing. They teach women confidence...because you have to have it to command a stage...and how to articulate her opinions, just as Miss California did. Kiddie pageants, well let's just say that I choose not to be involved in them.

Now to Miss California's answer...loaded question, and while it might be fun in today's reality tv environment to watch a contestant squirm, I don't believe such an emotionally charged question should have been asked on stage. It is really one of the most stressful situations you can be in with millions of eyes on you as you try to not sound like a dolt. I applaud her for stating her opinion, and judges should be told that there are no right an wrong answers to the questions you ask...we are looking for someone who can articulate herself well in any environment. You are interviewing for a job, and you have to be able to talk about any topic to 2 year olds to little old ladies. In hindsight, she could have been a little more diplomatic, which might have avoided the controversy...I did NOT say PC...I said diplomatic. Just like we would have loved to see our prez tell Chavez to his face that he is a nut job, it wouldn't have been appropriate to do.

So, she could have said, "One of the great things about our country is that each state has its own right to govern themselves so states that want gay marraige can have it, and those that don't, don't have to have that law. I personally believe in the traditional definition of marraige between a man and a woman, but respect those who would like some sort of legal partnership to protect their rights to be the primary person in their lives such as the case when one is hospitalized and wants the other to be able to visit them in the hospital."

Sorry it is such a long answer...
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Pageants don't teach confidence... maybe, perhaps to the contestants...

but to the rest of the people watching, it boils down to a BEAUTY pageant.

The prettiest girl wins. Or at least the prettiest girl in the judges mind.

And to countless young girls watching the pageants and also watching celebrities, they get a distorted view of self worth.

For instance when Britney was a cute virgin vixen she was adored. The minute she had kids and got "fat" the press turned on her.
same thing with Jennifer love Hewitt, except she didn't have kids. She just porked out. Right now Jessica Simpson is being torn apart.

All these women are beautiful, even with added weight. But the way they are treated for loosing their looks (give me a break) is ridiculous.

So I'm sorry but an argument that pageants teach women confidence is just a tad bit silly to me.

I teach my 3 nieces that the most important thing in the world is being smart, so study hard and pay attention in school. BTW, all three have beautiful outward appearances, but I want them to know that their looks don't posses their worth. I want them to grow up knowing that their character,,, how they handle themselves, how they treat others (even the ugly people) is leaps and bounds above and beyond their looks. And THAT teaches them confidence.

But hey, if I was pretty and thought I had a shot at winning, I'd do it to try and get money for college....

BTW, Remember miss Universe a few years back from Venezuela?
And the mockery Donald Trump made of her? How confident do ya think she was having to do jumping jacks during a press conference?
I'm sure she felt like the most confident girl in the world during that humiliation.
 
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The winner was Miss North Carolina - Kristen Callton

Have you heard the latest update. Some legal advisors were interviewed today and they all said that Miss California would have a great court case for discrimination against religion and freedom of speech.

It is funny to see some of the movie stars voicing their opinion. Of course many are speaking against Miss California. It's funny how people are missing the point. The point isn't about what is right or wrong for gay marriage but it's about freedom of speech and every is allowed an opinion. To make a point, I hope Miss California does sue. I don't see this going away too soon.
 
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Doesn't Donald Trump own this beauty pagent? If so, never underestimate "the Donald".

I personally think the whole thing is a set up because the pagent needed more publicity. The viewing is almost down to nothing. Any time Donald needs publicity for one of his projects, somehow, he always gets an argement or something going and ends up with all that free press. Just my take.

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Much ado about nothing in the greater scheme of things. She and her words will be forgotten as soon as the next controversy pops up.

V
 
Well, My thoughts on this subject. As a gay man, having the right to be able to marry is important. However, also being the proud son of a career military man who fought in several wars......He and many other veterans.....and those who died on the battlefields......fought to preserve the freedom that Miss California CAN say what she thinks.

I am squarely in the minority here, but all this political correctness flys right in the face of what every red-blooded American serviceman fought and is fighting now to protect....our basic freedoms. It is people like Perez and others who need to hang their heads in shame.
 
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It's not about core values.

Let's not get sidetracked, it is purely about fame and money. Sexiness/sex and controversy grease the wheels of fame and money. This is a huge win for all of them.

The show, the girls, the Donald, that jackass Perez, everyone who wants to revel in some public outrage (on either side), Miss CA, they are all getting what they want. Fox news is even in on the sideshow.
Who won again? ;)

And you thought the only fake thing about this pageant was all those perfect teeth and breast implants.:dunno:
 
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Well the snarky one is in on this now,

It is a darn shame that so much has went into this issue, There are more important things to worry about, Say the children who go to bed hungry at night, Elderly people haveing to decide if they are going to eat or get meds, Or to have enough money to have heat in there house, or the man or woman who has lost there job as to weather they will have a place to live or to feed there families, and with our young men and woman fighting to save our country, to be able to keep themselves safe and out of harms way, Now these are real issues, but the most importhing here is that with love all can conquer, and that of faith and hope, So if two people love each other, that is all that matters, and lets worry about the real issues. This shouldn't even be anything that has aperson we should even get our underwear in an uproar about this, We all have the same hopes dreams, and inspriations of our lives, that is what is important, Not this issue, and it is so wrong as human beings to judge one another, yes I am guilty of that , but not of ones sexual prefercence that is wo wrong, everyone has opions, we may not always agree to them, but darn it, it gets you to think, I can only hope that one day, ... Well I leave it at that. and that everyone has the right to choose what is right for them, and not goverment. As long as you are not hurting, cutting or killing anyone, Then why all the hate?? In the long run, Love is a grand thing,
 
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As I've said before... it's not who you love, it's how you love... therein lies the success or failure in a relationship between two people.

V
 
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Well, My thoughts on this subject. As a gay man, having the right to be able to marry is important. However, also being the proud son of a career military man who fought in several wars......He and many other veterans.....and those who died on the battlefields......fought to preserve the freedom that Miss California CAN say what she thinks.

I am squarely in the minority here, but all this political correctness flys right in the face of what every red-blooded American serviceman fought and is fighting now to protect....our basic freedoms. It is people like Perez and others who need to hang their heads in shame.
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Ricky, good response and if I may be so bold, and not to offend but may I ask how your Father stands on gay marriage?


for what its worth - I think anyone that wants to should be able to marry whomever they choose - the world needs more loving couples.

People that are against it I see as hompohobic, and I have long said I know where homophobia comes from...

The closet.
 
He passed away JB a little over four years ago.....however, him being the man I think him to be, His faith would have told him to be against it, however, he would have stood behind his son.

Now, let me add this in - Yes, I think same-sex marriages should be legalized.......however, Each and every pastor, clergy, layman, court officer, Justice of peace.....should also have the right to say no...I do not wish to perform that ceremony.

This probably places me squarely in the minority - but I do believe in truly equal rights.....including the right to say no.
 
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