Need help pricing these alter pieces.

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Well, I am finally starting to pick up and get better sort of.... anyway, sent the nice little bride with her exquisite taste an email to let her know that for her $1000.00 budget, she can barley get her personal flowers -
6 bridesmaids, gardenias, hydrangeas, roses, parrot tulips.....
Here centerpieces ... I will attache a picture and still not sure the size vase her mother has purchased will be anywhere from $800 something to 1400 depending on vase size.
And her beloved alterpieces - around $1000.00

I do have to say that the knot has some lovely things on it, but alot of unrealistic expectations when it comes to cost.
 

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Where does the pricing come from on the knot??

Is it industry average??
 
Where does the pricing come from on the knot??

Is it industry average??

There is not pricing on the not, just pictures of big beautiful spendy wedding.... brides coming in with gorgeous pictures, but not the budget to support. This particular bride pulled all her idea's from the knot.

Sorry if I did't make myself very clear---- it's this darn flu, it hs impaired not only my body, but my mind too.
 
So it is like magazine envy....

I have that when I look at home remodel mags...I want everything I see but in sad reality I can never afford...but I do find ways to get the look I want at prices I can afford...maybe this is the key we are missing...we really need to find ways to get these brides the look they want with less expensive materials...of course they need to be flexible too...I know I always am, just because I like pottery barn style I am very OK with shopping around and getting a similar look at target...this is where samples come in real handy...you can actually show them that the carns nestled in will look very similar and cost half as much as the hydrangea they love...or what ever the case...
 
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You are so right - I like that - Magazine envy.... I have that all the time to.

Yes, it is our job to come up with alternatives, to fit their budget.

But that again also depends on the brides and if they are willing to hear alternatives.

At this moment, I don't think that this bride is, but then again, I may be wrong.
 
You are so right - I like that - Magazine envy.... I have that all the time to.

Yes, it is our job to come up with alternatives, to fit their budget.

But that again also depends on the brides and if they are willing to hear alternatives.

At this moment, I don't think that this bride is, but then again, I may be wrong.



I abandon many a project because I just cannot get the look I want for a price I am comfortable with...I am sure brides are no different...This is probably why so many are DIYing it...They figure thay can't have what they really want for the right price so they may as well try it on their own...at this point they have nothing to lose because their dreams are far short of their budget anyway...
 
Magazine envy - I Love it!!!

I am of the same opinion as Lori the brides think the flowers will be (pick a number) $400.00 "Tops" it's crazy so they go out and DIY or BB it.

I am shocked at the beauty of the pics and would love to really do a wedding like that.
 
In your table arrangement photo, I can see about 6 white hydrangeas, one bunch of extra long bears grass, and 10 stems of dendros. The vase if you were renting it looks like a 4x 20 cylinder.

I see about $27 in flowers. Pretty fast to make, The vase, well depends on if you have or not. How much do you really need to charge for this? And can you make up in other areas?
 
Yes Thom but she may have to purchase those vases, the brides sees the votives as part of the design and the moss around the bottom and ....chances are would like to spend about $40.00 per table.

Were are just getting a bit beat up by the brides lately - we will adjust :)
 
Don't venues around here supply votives?

$40 bucks, oie vey. 5 white hydrangea and a clever wrap of the stems in a rented vase is about all I could do. If I like the girl, I might through in 1 branch of white painted curly willow.
 
In your table arrangement photo, I can see about 6 white hydrangeas, one bunch of extra long bears grass, and 10 stems of dendros. The vase if you were renting it looks like a 4x 20 cylinder.

I see about $27 in flowers. Pretty fast to make, The vase, well depends on if you have or not. How much do you really need to charge for this? And can you make up in other areas?



Depends on the venue...5 starvenue maybe anything less than that here they nickle and dime the bride for every little thing...by the time they get to us they want us supply everything for free...some venues here charge for the votives and then charge for lighting the votives...Brides here do not rent vases, here brides give the centerpiece away as like a consolation prize at the end of the night...When we do big tall vases we must account for the fact that the topper will be taken home with someone and the arrangement needs to be made into a cheapy dish...I have been trying for years to get brides to rent the vases because we always sed the same vase over and over and noone wanted to pay, but as soon as you talk about renting they don't want to deal with the vases nor do they want you to take the vases at the end of the evening with the flowers they paid for in them, they all want their cake, eat it and get it for next to nothing...

Average whole wedding in these parts totals between 20-30 thousand dollars, that is an average for MA...I would say the average whole flower budget that your average everyday flower shop sees is 1500, an average wedding/event shop, 2500 and shops like winstons and stapleton's much larger, winston's actually has a minimum of 5,000.00 for any wedding...or they used to not sure if that has gone up this was 10 years ago..
 
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Same here in Connecticut, I don't know, we have sold several weddings so far around these local parts, I have been able to get 2 to 5 for low budgets. However we are having better luck finding the upscale planners, like Tracy Romano, and we are starting to see results with some great leads. She has invited us to a cocktail party down in southern CT tonight, sort of a meet and greet of wed industry people.

The planners are the way to go in my opinion. Any bride with money usually hires a planner. Marcy has been courting several NY planners as well as DC planners to hire us as destination New England complete decor services. We are trying to capitalize on the fact that not only do we have a great reputation, but we have had almost 2 years to prove that even though we are located in northern CT, we still deliver in DC and NYC.
Sometimes the way to go is to broaden your capabilities.

I would rather do 10 events per year than 30 small ones. But trust me, I feel for what you are going through. If I were your marketing director, I would start in the New England ISES crowd. I would focus mainly on the wedding planners. It takes a lot of courting and diligence and time.

The best thing we ever did for Dragonfly was to create a minimum. It raised or standard and exposed us to larger events, by that I mean every event we did we had the budget to show of our talents. When guests, planners, vendors, and venues see what you can do, the word gets around.

Even though the economy is bad for most, there is still great wealth in the US. Though they may be cutting down on the platinum look, they don't want to appear to astentatious, they still seek out professionals, because they want quality and service.

I believe, and I still preach that Flower Shops can capture this market and maintain it. I believe that mass marketers have cheapened the value of flowers, and that has destroyed the value of decorating services. I saw this when I first moved to DC. Up to that point I never really understood that Special Event Florist actually were so profitable. I quickly changed my goals of opening a Flower Shop. I think for certain that if any shop chooses to go high value, set standards, and actively pursue this type of social event work, they can start now at this moment. It doesn't mean quiting your day to day operations, or the occasional budget bride, it means that they have to polish up and expose them selves to this type of market. And this is hard to visualize and do if you are confined to four walls. It may require hoping on a plane in a days notice to meet with a new client, and TONS of emailing and looking for opportunities. And you will need to sharpen your consultation and presenting skills. When your hard up for a buck, it's hard to comfortably ask for 20,000. People with money can smell the fear and uncertainty.

The reason I am not jaded by low budget high expecting brides is because I have a certain look, full and lush, and thats expensive. Are my events as expensive as Preston, Tutura, or David Beame's? No, I am not of that level. Do I deal with that caliber of family money? probably so and more so. Can I do what they do? Not any more because I have chosen to scale back and raise a family and have a life.

So my goal is to have a medium in life. A certain goal of events and a certain goal for personal life.

Sorry for rambling, I hope I don't sound to big headed, cause I don't mean to be, I just really want to help. I think if the value of flowers go up through the flower shops, than it trickles upward and we all win.

Ok I'm finished.
 
Same here in Connecticut, I don't know, we have sold several weddings so far around these local parts, I have been able to get 2 to 5 for low budgets. However we are having better luck finding the upscale planners, like Tracy Romano, and we are starting to see results with some great leads. She has invited us to a cocktail party down in southern CT tonight, sort of a meet and greet of wed industry people.

The planners are the way to go in my opinion. Any bride with money usually hires a planner. Marcy has been courting several NY planners as well as DC planners to hire us as destination New England complete decor services. We are trying to capitalize on the fact that not only do we have a great reputation, but we have had almost 2 years to prove that even though we are located in northern CT, we still deliver in DC and NYC.
Sometimes the way to go is to broaden your capabilities.

I would rather do 10 events per year than 30 small ones. But trust me, I feel for what you are going through. If I were your marketing director, I would start in the New England ISES crowd. I would focus mainly on the wedding planners. It takes a lot of courting and diligence and time.

The best thing we ever did for Dragonfly was to create a minimum. It raised or standard and exposed us to larger events, by that I mean every event we did we had the budget to show of our talents. When guests, planners, vendors, and venues see what you can do, the word gets around.

Even though the economy is bad for most, there is still great wealth in the US. Though they may be cutting down on the platinum look, they don't want to appear to astentatious, they still seek out professionals, because they want quality and service.

I believe, and I still preach that Flower Shops can capture this market and maintain it. I believe that mass marketers have cheapened the value of flowers, and that has destroyed the value of decorating services. I saw this when I first moved to DC. Up to that point I never really understood that Special Event Florist actually were so profitable. I quickly changed my goals of opening a Flower Shop. I think for certain that if any shop chooses to go high value, set standards, and actively pursue this type of social event work, they can start now at this moment. It doesn't mean quiting your day to day operations, or the occasional budget bride, it means that they have to polish up and expose them selves to this type of market. And this is hard to visualize and do if you are confined to four walls. It may require hoping on a plane in a days notice to meet with a new client, and TONS of emailing and looking for opportunities. And you will need to sharpen your consultation and presenting skills. When your hard up for a buck, it's hard to comfortably ask for 20,000. People with money can smell the fear and uncertainty.

The reason I am not jaded by low budget high expecting brides is because I have a certain look, full and lush, and thats expensive. Are my events as expensive as Preston, Tutura, or David Beame's? No, I am not of that level. Do I deal with that caliber of family money? probably so and more so. Can I do what they do? Not any more because I have chosen to scale back and raise a family and have a life.

So my goal is to have a medium in life. A certain goal of events and a certain goal for personal life.

Sorry for rambling, I hope I don't sound to big headed, cause I don't mean to be, I just really want to help. I think if the value of flowers go up through the flower shops, than it trickles upward and we all win.

Ok I'm finished.



No no rambling there...I got approached to do a wedding with a 20,000.00 budget....I was so out of my league that I lost it....My head was spinning not knowing where to soarce items or even where to source people to do some of the extensive setup...I do not have the experience or the look of a very expensive wedding shop, it is not my forte and the best part is that I know it...

I am very very comfortable doing weddings under 5000.00. Being the very overweight person I was just a short year ago, I didn't do ladders, I didn't do dress clothes and wedding setup was very very stressful, my whole career I have tried to avoid doing it at all..Now that I am slim and presentable, I will see a difference in my wedding bookings...I know it shouldn't make a difference but it does...I am seeing a huge difference in how my customers buy from me because of my appearence, still the same person just better looking less messy and disheveled and easier to buy from I guess...

I have always been a back room florist...I managed design rooms, I was a designer, a schleper, a clean out the cooler type of girl...I did limited front office sales and consults...and it shows in my business practices and attire. I wear sneakers and jeans most days and have been told that I should be wearing better clothes to get better customers, this is very true of brides and corporate customers...but old habits die hard...It is getting easier for me to dress better because I am more comfortable in dressier clothes and shoes now...
 
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I have a couple of money saving ideas for you if you are interested. Instead of using curly willow, do you have any crepe myrtle trees up there? I have attached a picture of some we used - painted silver and hung with crystals - but you can leave natural and use flowers. Also, are any of your trees blooming up there? - do you have Bradford Pear trees blooming? - you could cut some of those branches and use them and add the Dendros too. Just a thought - sorry if this isn't applicable.
 

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Well, back to this darling bride.... she is nixing the alter pieces saying a friend will make them for her.... hurray!!! I sent a very frank email detailing the cost of the alter pieces she was desiring and centerpieces, and personal flowers and it came to over $3000.00 and her budget is supposedly $1,000.00 which at the time of our consultation, I told her that I could not meet, with the exquisite flowers and designs she was wanting.

She will be coming back to visit everything else, so I am not out of the running on this even tho I was very frank on the cost of the centerpiece, which is something we are revisiting.

It's just nice to know even when you enlighten them, it's not a bad thing they are just clueless.

So now we will work on providing lovely flowers (May 9th of all days) for her wedding.

Thank you for all of your suggestions and ideas. They are so appreciated!!!​
 
RED FLAG just went up. Make sure your bride knows full well ..... in writing.....that you are NOT reponsible for those altar designs......If they look like a true amateur did them.......the blame could fall back on you...."That florist ruined my wedding......She could have done my church flowers......and helped me out.....instead of them being done by Miss Friend....WAAAAHHHHHHH"
 
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