No Child left behind?

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This is an exact copy of an email I received

"hi, im looking for a job, pls advice me the email address i can send my resume at.
thank you"

In my day (the old days) they taught business communication and the importance of being professional when applying for a job. Apparently they don't anymore.
 
Oh Ted, don't you know it!

We had 2 employess that didn't know how to make a pyramid out of buckets! I mean seriously not know how to stack buckets to dry!

And the advice or advise thing drives me crazy.

And when people call and they say "Are you hiring?' And that's all they say.

Instead they should ask for the owner or manager and say "Hi my name is Shannon Conner and I'm a designer. I will be moving to your area soon and I would like to know if you are needing any additional staff. I'd like to e-mail or fax you my resume if you are interested."
You know, or something like that...
 
Oooh very nice Shannon. I like that...I usually go in, introduce myself in person and don't call. Or if it's an ad I make sure to follow the instructions...like NOT calling if they don't want you to call!!
 
I think the information technology era is upon us and the kids have found that abbreviations and run-on sentences are acceptable in that format. I am on a Career Based Intervention Committee with our local schools. We were just discussing this at the last meeting. Children are not taught how and when to use appropriate communication. I remember when I was in school we were told by an English teacher that how we talk to friends is not acceptable communication for how we talk to a potential employer. I get resumes and applications all the time that have symbols and abbreviations written on them. Had I not been text savvy I would not have been able to translate!

I think education is by far one of the most important issues facing us in this election. Education touches everything in our country from national security, to technology, to our deficit. Until and unless this country decides that learning math, reading, and history is more important than being a football star, we might as well kiss our butts goodbye and learn to speak Japanese!
 
In my day (the old days) they taught business communication and the importance of being professional when applying for a job. Apparently they don't anymore.


It may well be that the skills are being taught, but not learned. In our day, WE learned what was being taught to us, and our parents made certain that we did. There is the fallacy of your statement, IMHO.
 
Yes!! Math, Science, U.S. History, Geography, Reading, Writing. Great subjects. I was shocked that my daughter's previous school in So. Cal did not teach history or science...they made sure she had a textbook for CALIFORNIA History!! WHAT!!??!! Not U.S. History....just CALIFORNIA history!! grrrrr....
 
Perhaps we are just moving foward into a new place.

I remember my Grandmother was shocked that I did not ever have to learn the names of all the presidents of the US as she did when she was a girl. My Father was angered that we didn't learn at all about Vietnam (sp) There are just so many hours in a day. I never felt harmed or stupid for not learning the names of the Presidents.

I feel bad for the teachers (so shoot me) who now have to teach everything, like manners to these children, and the parents expect it. I have friends who teach and one by one they all burn out.

So I put comma's in the wrong place while I type. Am I a fabulous worker -yes! What is my point? Well perhaps it's going to be (in the future) less important that you not make a run on sentence and more important that you know Excell, Power Point, Word, how to make your own web page Etc. again teachers can only do so much and we have to trust that it will all be alright.

My Grandfather (other side of the family) never learned to read. He held down a good union job his whole life, he was a great man. If people had held him back because he used the wrong words he would have been on welfare. So instead of him supporting himself and his family, you all would have gotten the wonderful opportunity to support them all through the welfare system. I say try to walk in someone elses shoes it makes you a better person.

I hire workers with mental challenges they can never advance but WOW are they great at what they do. And never ever call in sick or late.

Just my two cents. :)
 
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Good grief, we see lousy spelling and grammar in here among the adults of the world. Are we really supposed to expect more from the kids? Whole language boggles my mind and we are witnessing the results of such educational folly.

V
 
Funny, we were having this discussion at Happy Hour one night. One of my friends said...be prepared it will get worse. Just as proper English is no longer used, the English language will start to transform into something different with the use of the computer generation. I have a friend who teaches "keyboarding" (used to be typing class) and said she has the worst time getting kids to spell
y.o.u instead of u.
My husband works for the post office. He said he constantly gets teenagers in who have NEVER addressed an envelope. They don't know where to put the address, the return address or even the stamp in the right place.
I opened joint checking accounts with both of my sons when they started college,
then they enrolled in online banking. My youngest just asked me how he would go about physically depositing money in his account as he has never filled out a deposit slip or made a deposit in person. Oh brother!
As technology advances (and it will) this generation will not get UP to do anything that requires anything other than typing, clicking and sending.
Both my sons have cell phones and they seldom use it to CALL anybody, but they can text a dissertation while watching television.
Some of this is because their frame of reference to the world WE know is so different from ours.
My nephew came to my house and I offered him a soda and told him to grab some ice out of the freezer (we still use ice cube trays). When he asked where the ice was, I pulled out a tray and he asked " What is that?". I then realized that since he was a baby his parents had a frig with an ice dispenser in the door. He had never seen an ice cube tray.
When I was the manager of a Bagel Shop we employed A LOT of high school kids.
One of the young girls was doing dishes in the sink and said " I hate cream cheese, you can never get it off the pan!" I stuck my hand in the water and it was cold. When I told her that hot water cuts grease and the water needed to be hot to dissolve the cream cheese she said " Wow, I never knew that, we have always had a dishwasher."
So, there were alot of things I assumed kids would know, simply because I knew them. It never occurred to me that their exposure to the world was very different than mine and perhaps I needed to teach in a different way.
I agree about the education in our country Inferno, however I think the attitude toward education needs to change and I don't know you do that in a free society because our young adults (not all) don't value education the way other countries value their education. I would guess if it was something that was harder to come by, as in most under developed nations it would have more value in the eyes of those who want it. Throwing money at a situation never fixes the underlying social issues that create the problem.
In other countries education is an honor or expected for the overall wealth and success of your nation. In this country, we don't have to do anything we don't want to do, period. The honor of our nation is not "one thought" like in other countries with one vision, but with many different thoughts, many different visions.
It is an interesting topic......a problem Im sure we can all solve over a few cocktails on a Friday night... I will buy the first round! haha
 
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Oh Victoria I agree. That whole language thing is crap and we are suffering the consequences dearly. When they were teaching my children that in school I just about went nuts!
When my son was in second grade he wrote a sentence " our dog is runing to my hus" the teacher said " As long we can understand that we know what he is trying to say, how he spells it isn't as important." WTF????
Then when the poor kid got to fourth grade and couldn't spell to save his life, I get a call from the guidance office to discuss my sons "disability".
This same son who is now a sports writer got an 86 on an 8th grade report and had 16 spelling errors. When I asked him how that was possible, he said " The teacher said spelling didn't count."
Needless to say, he didn't really learn to write or spell until he got to college.
 
Oh Victoria I agree. That whole language thing is crap and we are suffering the consequences dearly. When they were teaching my children that in school I just about went nuts!
When my son was in second grade he wrote a sentence " our dog is runing to my hus" the teacher said " As long we can understand that we know what he is trying to say, how he spells it isn't as important." WTF????
Then when the poor kid got to fourth grade and couldn't spell to save his life, I get a call from the guidance office to discuss my sons "disability".
This same son who is now a sports writer got an 86 on an 8th grade report and had 16 spelling errors. When I asked him how that was possible, he said " The teacher said spelling didn't count."
Needless to say, he didn't really learn to write or spell until he got to college.

I reacted the same way to Alana's teacher for the same reason. It was squiggle language... if they didn't know how to spell it they were encouraged to put a squiggle between the letters they knew. I freaked. I asked if there was a dictionary in the room. She said yes but it wasn't a tool they used as the kids can't spell. WTF!!! "Isn't that your job? Isn't it your mandate to teach my daughter how to spell?" :hammer:

Alana has a wonderful command of language... it's a bloody shame she can't spell it. Even in college the computers did it all for her.

V
 
I am now fainting V from your squiggle story...and I am squiggling on the floor in a fit of disbelief over the squiggle! It's really perplexing me how this lack of educating our kids is slowly coming to an end!
 
I don't think it is coming to an end. The lack of literacy is visible more and more each day. The basterdization of the language has been tolerated for so long, many accept it as the norm.

V
 
Ok V I just reread what I wrote and I messed up. what I was trying to say is that the lack of education is slowly coming to where there really is no education at all. Ok did that make sense? lol It's been a long day..I'm sure you get what I am trying to say!!
 
Ok V I just reread what I wrote and I messed up. what I was trying to say is that the lack of education is slowly coming to where there really is no education at all. Ok did that make sense? lol It's been a long day..I'm sure you get what I am trying to say!!


Looks like you were just trying to provide an example of poor laguage skills ;)
 
The scary thing about it... I understood what you were trying to say! ;)

V
 
Language is always evolving. At any rate, the English language is always evolving. Think of how the meanings of some words have changed, e. g., quick, gay,

The change in the punctuation rule which allows the omission of the comma before the conjunction "and" in a series of words still startles me.

Some of the examples which have been cited here, most notably V's squiggle, are shocking. The reason they are so surprising has to be because they are the exceptions to good teaching. Otherwise, we would not be shocked.

In my own teaching careers, I was forced to sit through several seminars where BS was being forced on us as if it were the latest and best teaching technique. I hope that the teachers who were used as examples here were young and simply trying to use the latest, and therefore "best," techniques. I also hope that your talking with the teachers helped them rethink their strategies. Furthermore, I sincerely hope that your children were not damaged beyond repair.

I'm getting off my soapbox now.
 
I believe too that teaching in the home is very important. I'm not talking about homeschooling , I'm talking about parent participation. My teacher friends all marvel at parents who drop their children off and expect they will be taught all things without any reinforcement from home. My granddaughter has reading and math skills well beyond her age group median ( yes, yes, I'm bragging). It's because her parents help, her grandparents help. We find joy in watching her learn and grow and we understand that teaching her life skills is our responsibility too. I do think that what is taught is evolving, I agree that the computer skills are probably going to replace a lot of the RRRs of my day ( boy I am old ). Thank goodness for spellcheck right? I imagine she'll be teaching us some things down the road. I just hope that we can help her beyond the classroom to learn to be gracious, polite and respectful, that too is our job.
 
What I noted from the initial post. Most companies require your resume and employment application to be sent via email nothing unusual about that request.

As to grammar and spelling, I have learned to read articles so quickly I tend to miss or skim over many words (remember Evelyn woods speed reading) Half the time I have to go back and edit my comments here because I forget to type half the words.

But I still can't understand half those text messages. :)
 
I miss Dick, Jane and Spot. At least repetitive learning created word recognition.
Phonics...what ever happened to that??? If it isn't broke don't fix it.
Yes, Victoria my son was encouraged to use the squiggle method for the words also. Unreal.
 
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