Sending WS(ASK)(Pricechange) messages

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In "theory" Luc

Luc said:
Mark,
How could that happen. THose order would then go directly to a flower shop thus we will not loose any order. AS for losing members coverage, that is why domestic retrans got started and will continue to find shop that are not ftd to fill their orders.
Luc
Ok, lets try this one on, and remember Luc, it has nothing to do with coverage...that will never again be an issue, for anyone, as most all, have figured out alternative methods.

Let's say FTD raises the bar to be a member to $250.00 a month (guess), (Griff?), thus a reduction in membership of 30% becomes a moot point dollar wise. Those remainning, which will be mostly the larger members, will still have their same outgoing volume, and in "theory" their incomings would increase as there are fewer members to disperse the orders between.

Then, an increase in order value becomes easier to maneuver thru the larger shops, that are most likely already sending out higher value orders to begin with. (NOT talking OGs here) This in part could lead to and overall higher dollar ratio flowing thru the clearinghouse, and with fewer members, it would be easier to raise the bar SRP wise.

Next, the remaing members, by curtailing the orders they allow the OGs to funnel thru their shops increase their profitability, all the while growing their outgoing business because they are "members" and the consumer has fewer choices thus the volume increases.

While the remaining members do this, the low dollar orders now must find a home. All that is left are the unsuspecting (not "connected") smaller shops. This will only eat away at their bottom line, and while the volume looks good on paper, overtime it eats them alive, and one by one they close up shop.

And lastly, since the OG's must now either raise their prices to get their orders filled, or find alternative methods, begin sending to NON-members direct, cloaked as direct orders on a credit card. Yes they are now 100% orders, but the value does not increase. Or they must direct ship (limited market).

As time goes by, more and more are educated, and the OG's begin to find they can not find a home for their orders, and they are the next to go.

What will be left, is a stronger industry, less the OG's and sadly many smaller shops. But also stronger member groups with more clout to control the wire services to some extent, or at least get them to work more for the greater industry good.
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Of course this is only MY scenario, and only time will tell if it will play out. But we all know things are changing, and we are still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
 
One big problem, Boss ...

The big senders (not talking OGs) are often big senders BECAUSE they underprice items.

Ok, two problems ...

The big OGs didn't get to be multi-million $$ companies by being static. They grew because they saw a need / opportunity and took it.They survive by adapting and adjusting. That's how you GET to be that big. They won't sit on the status quo while the little guys choke them out.

Ryan
 
Infinite said:
One big problem, Boss ...

The big senders (not talking OGs) are often big senders BECAUSE they underprice items.

Ok, two problems ...

The big OGs didn't get to be multi-million $$ companies by being static. They grew because they saw a need / opportunity and took it.They survive by adapting and adjusting. That's how you GET to be that big. They won't sit on the status quo while the little guys choke them out.

Ryan
Hmmm...on the first point, I'm not so sure. Most of these "Big senders" were BIG prior to the changes in the way things are done today. Yes they have grown more, but I don;t think its because they underprice, more likely because they out market the competition, locally.

I know what my average outgoing is, but it would be very interesting to see what the average dollar value is based on the top 100, top 101-250, top 251-500 and so on to see if there is any pattern. I think much of this problem (and maybe Tim Huckabee, can enlighten) is based on sales techniques. I will not accept an order from a customer for less than $35.00 plus delivery for an outgoing, but all too often florists do not know how to sell, or tell their customers the realities of the current floral delima.

If a customer only wants to spend $25.00, I'll give them another shops number so they can call direct.

As to sitting on the status quo you are correct, unless the "Little Guys" really band together, and stop filling these orders en mass. My little scenario below, is nothing more than a dream, but it would be possible, if florists would just work together openly, honestly and for the greater good.
 
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