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BBJ, you just explained why the old system is BROKEN. It will not be fixed by anyone but the florists at hand. As proven by all the crap going on with the WS's now.

I loved everything said in those articles, and it needs to be said over and over again. Maybe alittle louder next time. Tell it all, air it out, and start all over.
 
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CHR said:
Oh, we're gonna get certificates to put in our windows if we pass the ratings tests.

Nice that they will be doing this "in a few months" after Mothers Day...why the hell not do it now? Because they are trying to figure out how to with "smoke and mirrors" make it look like they are doing something for the florists, and trying to maintain the OG system at the same time...

Maybe it's time for a Real Florist code of conduct, a Real FLorist Badge of Honor...

I do know one thing, it's up to us to affect change in the industry, because nobody is watching out for our money except us, the wire services are too busy trying to fight each other and help the OG's get their orders cloaked and placed with unsuspecting Real Florists.
 
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Can't you guys see what they are trying to do?

Can't you guys see what they are trying to do? Both FTD and TF need a quality assurance plan. They need this because if they are to transform themselves from a old wire service into a order-generator/wire service they need to be sure that those Teleflora.Com and Ftd.Com orders are filled correctly.

They are spending a huge amount of money to get the consumer to buy from them. And then florists, who are not making any money filling those orders, are undervalueing and misfilliling those orders causing a large amount of customer complaints and resulting refunds. The quality program is make sure florists tow the line and fill those .COM orders correctly.

They don't want you to have a inwire price list for your flowers and an inhouse price list because they need to control the pricing of all orders. They don't want you to shut off you Dove or Mercury machines at peak holiday times because they need you to fill those last minute, unrealistic promises their phone operators make to the consumers. They need to have your staff of designers waiting and ready to fill their orders and not put them aside to fill walkin customers.

Quality assurance is another way of saying your have become a contract employee of either FTD or Teleflora and the contract states that you pay them, not that they pay you!
 
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sfox said:
Quality assurance is another way of saying your have become a contract employee of either FTD or Teleflora and the contract states that you pay them, not that they pay you!
sfox, you said it!! Very very well!!!
 
ROBSWF said:
sfox, you said it!! Very very well!!!

Here here..DITTO!

sfox, as always... you nailed it!

One thing I do know, I am not anyone's contract "employee" except my own.
 
Skimming

My view of the skimming issue is one where most of it must be occurring at the shops that primarly fill the OGs orders.

I rarely get a complaint that a florist We sent an order to, sent a bad value. The Idea of florists, filling florist generated orders at face value, based on local market values, I feel are still strong.

A shop filling a substancial volume of these discounted orders needs to make ends meet to keep the doors open. Efficency is one thing. lowering COGs is another. Good buying only goes so far. Changing suppliers from local to direct buying is only a one time winfall to reduce COGs

I suspect that most shops in that position have already taken advantage of that, and have no options left. The margins have all been squeezed.

The OGs have the option of re-directing their orders to another shop if tracking generates too many complaints. Be it Value or service. A new filler starts the whole cycle over again. While the origional filler is left overpriced in their own local market.

My mind tells me, that Shops have become accustomed to desireing these orders for two principle reasons. Other than the wire services saying it's good for you. And it's not pretty.

Reason one, is that their really not good enough to generate their own work.

Reason two, What ever the reason someone started filling these orders. Over time , found themselfs in the COGs squeeze. The slow but inevitable process of pricing oneself out of the local market. Toss in the supers precieved lower costs of flowers in the eyes of the consumer. And where does a shop in this position have left to go?
 
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It occurs to me that as we as independent floral professsionals come together as a unified group that we are in fact defineing our own quality assurance program of the wire services now if we could only figure out how to bill them for our services to them.
 
Interesting statement from Soenen. Especially after the little speech he gave to us when I was at the meeting in Downers Grove. To quote Mike Soenen

" I don't know why you people keep complaining about quality assurance, I suppose none of you here have ever sent out anything less then perfect. Why don't you just stop complaining about the other florists and fill your orders"

That came directly out of his mouth in front of 23 shop owners.

But then again, he was trained by one of the best bullsh*t artists in the industry,(Bob Norton) so what else can we expect....
 
jbarb said:
Why don't you just stop complaining about the other florists and fill your orders"

Let me translate...

Quit your Bit*h'n and fill OUR orders...
 
Re: Much better this way with a few changes! "]

"While we understand the importance of marketing our business during this busy season and staying competitive, it is imperative that we by no means compromise customer service and quality. We are committed to and focused on enforcing high-quality standards and will continue to REMOVE FTD from the REAL FLORISTS' NETWORK as they do not consent with the standards of our MISSION STATEMENT regarding our GOALS OF OUR 100% SALES and OUR PROFITABLITY hence, their membership has become a liability!"

Facts are that, the OLD BRAND was always CUSTOMER to FLORIST DRIVEN!

Now, they really believe that, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DRIVE the consumers to them while driving their discounted junk orders in the back door THROUGH US (all skimmed of profits) and, US WEE BEES should sit back and remain happy with the few crumbs from their table and only when we're THEIR FLORISTS of LAST RESORT!

So, let them continue to BAIT and SWITCH and DIVERT THEIR CUSTOMERS to ALTERNATIVE GIFTS (other than flowers) and to FARM DIRECT (other than florists) and we'll KEEP THE SAME-DAY-DELIVERY MARKET NICHE to ourselves!


My thoughts? You STEAL OUR ORDERS! YOU DOO DA DOO!
SCREW MEE? NAW! SCREW YOU!

FORE! TOTO and WEE BEE DA BRAND!
 
A passing thought

I can't speak to FTDs motives about quality assurance. All I know from past statements from that company is that it never bode well for the members.

As for Telefloras' quality assurance program. It reads pretty much like the policys the member owned FTD had to maintain quality and honesty. If one were to think positively about their program. Then THEY would be in the position to remove ALL members who skim the outgoing orders. Considering that most of us consider the OGs of being the worst offenders in this reguard. Then the program would be worth the price of admission.

If the program is applied evenhandedly(potentially, a big if) then what If???

IMO, Teleflora has to set up a formal process that would stand up in court if it wanted to be in a position to remove large OG operations. It is one thing to arbitarially get rid of one of us little people. But dumping someone big is a different is another story alltogether.

In reality, Skimming is a fradulent behavior. A crime. Acussing someone of a crime needs proof. Obtaining proof of a crime needs access to to the books. The quality assurance program is the vehicle used to gain that access.

Member owned FTD used that system to rid itself of crooks. I don't see why Teleflora won't use it either.

Watch out Charley B.
 
As to Teleflora's Quality Assurance...their rules state a shop must be evaluated in person by a rep before acceptance into the program. This is not true. They gave approval to a shop with less than 3 months experience in the floral business (correspondance course even) and until I complained to the rep (of which I had not seen one in person for over 3 yrs), nothing was done. They still approved a shop in our area with less than 1 month experience..new owner...I gave my notice. They sign up anyone with a presence in a town over 1 population.
 
FTD is not much better. I installed flowerSoft in a shop whose owner's expertise was making sandwiches. He owned a deli across the street. You had to see what was coming out of that shop! He belongs to FTD, Teleflora and gets orders from 800-Flowers.
 
George Simon said:
FTD is not much better. I installed flowerSoft in a shop whose owner's expertise was making sandwiches. He owned a deli across the street. You had to see what was coming out of that shop! He belongs to FTD, Teleflora and gets orders from 800-Flowers.

Can I assume you got your money up front?
 
BOSS said:
What a load of crap, sorry Mike, I don't believe you!! Zero tolerance policy ??? I see Lovn' Blooms is still a member...

Well Boss....looks like we better belive Mike, or at least give FTD some credit as Lovn' ain't being loved by FTD any more!!!!
Also noticed that Vancouver Flowers has had 31 more compaints since my Feb 11th post above, and their not loved by FTD anymore either!!!.............
 
BBJ (Big Bad John) said:
Well Boss....looks like we better belive Mike, or at least give FTD some credit as Lovn' ain't being loved by FTD any more!!!!

Yep, I did send my personal thoughts.... that is if I can still get email past their firewall :)
 
They're far from gone. Tf is still embracing them, and if you look at some of the other sites, they still sport the FTD logo. It would be nice if they degraded as fast as VFC did. THIS is a serious issue.

So they can still send by Dove
 
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