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Griff said:
The FlowerChat Association.....Hmmmm
Griff said:
Nah...there tax laws are really screwy!
P.S. thanks for the chat today, it's always appreciated Griff!
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The FlowerChat Association.....Hmmmm
Nah...there tax laws are really screwy!
P.S. thanks for the chat today, it's always appreciated Griff!
Interesting topic....??????
This topic died just as fast as the rest of ANY topics which pertain to Sales Tax Liabilitys and what the Boogie Man or Woman Tax Cop say's through out the Floral Industry with the exception of some JACK A SS who made sure I received a NEG in my user CP file in this thread and had to say "Ding Bat".
Ding bat? Weeks ago I said "I'm ashamed of the industry" and comments with all folks who think different cannot understand the WRITTEN TAX LAWS?
Begone....If you run your business with letting your Tax Accountant control the Ebb and Flow, Your in trouble of NO CONTROL of your business money.
If a tax consultant is telling you that you MUST charge sales tax on direct F2F orders.. chances are they are also treating your ws membership incoming orders as 100%. I would pull the plug with 'that' firm and First make sure YOU as a business Owner knows your Ebb and Flow and study that ancient Sales Tax Code which hasn't been updated in YEARS.
Silly Florists......Taxes are for Kids!
This topic died just as fast as the rest of ANY topics which pertain to Sales Tax Liabilitys and what the Boogie Man or Woman Tax Cop say's through out the Floral Industry with the exception of some JACK A SS who made sure I received a NEG in my user CP file in this thread and had to say "Ding Bat".
Ding bat? Weeks ago I said "I'm ashamed of the industry" and comments with all folks who think different cannot understand the WRITTEN TAX LAWS?
Begone....If you run your business with letting your Tax Accountant control the Ebb and Flow, Your in trouble of NO CONTROL of your business money.
If a tax consultant is telling you that you MUST charge sales tax on direct F2F orders.. chances are they are also treating your ws membership incoming orders as 100%. I would pull the plug with 'that' firm and First make sure YOU as a business Owner knows your Ebb and Flow and study that ancient Sales Tax Code which hasn't been updated in YEARS.
Silly Florists......Taxes are for Kids!
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Blue Oyster Cult said:
Hmmm... wonder what the IRS would say..."taxes are for kids!"
Begone yourself!
No need to call names, BOC...everyone runs their shop their own way - it may be wrong in your op. - but that's up to them, huh.
Personally, I will listen to my Accountant. I will do what the State of PA expects with regards to Tax Law. If some org. like SAF or some other florist related group can dig up CONCRETE docs stating I am TOTALLY OK with not collecting Tax from another florist, ON A DIRECT C-CARD ORDER, with NO clearinghouse, then it will be....
See ya'
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Philly your kidding Right?
You have to be kidding me with this topic of charging sales tax to another 'florist' who calls you via a phone with a CC payment and a Tax License provided via the state they do business in and if your accountants or state say's you need to TAX than god forbid everything about POS systems because the industry is at cross roads about Sales Tax.
You have to be kidding me with this topic of charging sales tax to another 'florist' who calls you via a phone with a CC payment and a Tax License provided via the state they do business in and if your accountants or state say's you need to TAX than god forbid everything about POS systems because the industry is at cross roads about Sales Tax.
Sher
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the problem of "tax-free" orders
We have taken F2F orders on credit cards and have not charged taxes on them but that is open to change. We provide our fax number and ask that they send a copy of their States equilvelent sales tax id.So far not one of them has done that and I am not willing to be audited and asked to offer it up......if you are really collecting sales tax on your end then plan on sending me your ID......we have to send it to every one of our vendors at the beginning of the new year and if we do not get it to them, they charge us tax on every delivery until we send it.........and they are aware that we have done buisienss with them for years..So why would any florist not be willing to provide that as a part of doing business.....in my opinion it is a part of doing busines.....we are asked by the WS on a yearly basis to send in ours........am I the only one they ask?????
We have taken F2F orders on credit cards and have not charged taxes on them but that is open to change. We provide our fax number and ask that they send a copy of their States equilvelent sales tax id.So far not one of them has done that and I am not willing to be audited and asked to offer it up......if you are really collecting sales tax on your end then plan on sending me your ID......we have to send it to every one of our vendors at the beginning of the new year and if we do not get it to them, they charge us tax on every delivery until we send it.........and they are aware that we have done buisienss with them for years..So why would any florist not be willing to provide that as a part of doing business.....in my opinion it is a part of doing busines.....we are asked by the WS on a yearly basis to send in ours........am I the only one they ask?????
dave said:
What BOC is forgetting is that this thread was started by the above question in regards to taking an order from an OG. And, my reponse to an OG when they call asking for certain privledges I do not feel they deserve. The response from BOC to my statement was ugly, out of line, and taken out of context from its intent regarding the question asked.
Granted, that got us started on a very interesting topic of taxes. My very good & capable accountant & I did research in regards to California Sales & Use Tax Laws. California only, not the rest of the country. What I found was useful & I retracted my statements regarding F2F transactions & sales tax. However, if an OG calls me wanting to place a cc order, I will give them same answer, No DO's, No Discounts, and they will be charged sales tax. Remember, that's an OG not a hard working legitimate florist.
I agree with Philly Phlorist. Every person needs to run their shop they best way they see fit. And, they should not be criticized for it by anybody for doing so.
easy does it...
Take it easy, Michael. It doesn't matter. You can only provide them with the facts and they have to make their own evaluation. Several have posted their own state codes on these boards in the past and each time they are posted, the results are always the same. Some get it, others don't.
No disrepect to anyone, but Philly, no one needs to worry about an IRS audit on sales tax. internal Revenue service is federal they are only concerned with income tax. The SRS or state revenue service are the ones concerned about state sales tax. I realize it is not as itimidating to refer to SRS rather than IRS, but again we should be dealing with the facts and only the facts.
And Sher, these direct orders are never "tax free" and we have talked several times why they are not. Just for puiblic knowledge, the reason your vendors request a copy of YOUR state tax number every year is so the state can TRACK you. Your vendors are selling to you at wholesale and you are selling utimately to the customer at retail an only then is tax collected. buy alot of product at wholesale and not pay any sales tax and watch what happens. Keeping my Ill state tax number on file in FL does nothing for your sales tax people because it is not tracked in FL., but I'm always willing to provide it if reuested.
And flowerdiva, you're OK and I mean that in a good way.Don't understand why you are looking at Calif tax laws when you're in NM, but I think you're beginning to understand it and I don't have any problem with you taxing OG's. It should be noted however, 99.9% of all OC orders are going to continue to be put throught the WS so they can collect commission and rebates. And you're right again - you won't have to worry about charging sales tax to an OG. Don't offer ANY discount and all you will hear is CLICK!
And Michael you can only say that we tried. The one fact that most have failed to realize is that if your look closely at the people who are proclaiming that florists SHOULD charge sale tax are also OG's themselves and have many reasons to discourage direct orders!
Take it easy, Michael. It doesn't matter. You can only provide them with the facts and they have to make their own evaluation. Several have posted their own state codes on these boards in the past and each time they are posted, the results are always the same. Some get it, others don't.
No disrepect to anyone, but Philly, no one needs to worry about an IRS audit on sales tax. internal Revenue service is federal they are only concerned with income tax. The SRS or state revenue service are the ones concerned about state sales tax. I realize it is not as itimidating to refer to SRS rather than IRS, but again we should be dealing with the facts and only the facts.
And Sher, these direct orders are never "tax free" and we have talked several times why they are not. Just for puiblic knowledge, the reason your vendors request a copy of YOUR state tax number every year is so the state can TRACK you. Your vendors are selling to you at wholesale and you are selling utimately to the customer at retail an only then is tax collected. buy alot of product at wholesale and not pay any sales tax and watch what happens. Keeping my Ill state tax number on file in FL does nothing for your sales tax people because it is not tracked in FL., but I'm always willing to provide it if reuested.
And flowerdiva, you're OK and I mean that in a good way.Don't understand why you are looking at Calif tax laws when you're in NM, but I think you're beginning to understand it and I don't have any problem with you taxing OG's. It should be noted however, 99.9% of all OC orders are going to continue to be put throught the WS so they can collect commission and rebates. And you're right again - you won't have to worry about charging sales tax to an OG. Don't offer ANY discount and all you will hear is CLICK!
And Michael you can only say that we tried. The one fact that most have failed to realize is that if your look closely at the people who are proclaiming that florists SHOULD charge sale tax are also OG's themselves and have many reasons to discourage direct orders!
Huh?
I'm looking at California because I'm in California! lol Central California! No disrespect to those of you in folks in NM of course, but I'm glad I'm the "Clovis" in California!!!
Griff said:
I'm looking at California because I'm in California! lol Central California! No disrespect to those of you in folks in NM of course, but I'm glad I'm the "Clovis" in California!!!
Here's a yuk, who gives a sh1t?
Only ones who are FREE seem to even care. Our ws memberships ain't free and you save LONG green every month.
Now I would charge sales tax - if I was in a state that had it!
Why would I bother keeping files etc so you can save a buck or two?
You want a percent? You want no tax? Join a freaking wire service and quit belittling those who choose that way of life.
This topic gets more press than "what kind of synthetic oil should I use?" or "what kind of pipes should I buy?" on my motorcycle forum.
Maybe we should invite Phlop back to educate all us dumb florists who want to do things our way? He's a real fart smeller.
Only ones who are FREE seem to even care. Our ws memberships ain't free and you save LONG green every month.
Now I would charge sales tax - if I was in a state that had it!
Why would I bother keeping files etc so you can save a buck or two?
You want a percent? You want no tax? Join a freaking wire service and quit belittling those who choose that way of life.
This topic gets more press than "what kind of synthetic oil should I use?" or "what kind of pipes should I buy?" on my motorcycle forum.
Maybe we should invite Phlop back to educate all us dumb florists who want to do things our way? He's a real fart smeller.
I agree.....
I think this topic has definitely run its course. IMO, nobody's right & nobody's wrong in how they choose to run their business as long as they are sending out quality, they are successful & making a profit, and don't scr*w anybody doing it.
What I find amusing is that when it all comes down to it, is that this tax thing is about saving a few bucks on an order like you said Bloomz. Very few. Enough worth arguing about? Probably not. Yes, I see the big picture, but y'all are wearing me out! And, Griff, I don't mean this in a bad way cuz I think you're OK too, but you gotta admit that this topic must be exhausting you! You must be showing early signs of carpal tunnel by now from all that typing you do?!
We'll keep our membership to the WS. The WS works for us at this moment because we receive far more than we send out. When that changes we'll consider doing something different but for now, this F2F tax or no tax stuff gives me a headache.
Out!
bloomz said:
I think this topic has definitely run its course. IMO, nobody's right & nobody's wrong in how they choose to run their business as long as they are sending out quality, they are successful & making a profit, and don't scr*w anybody doing it.
What I find amusing is that when it all comes down to it, is that this tax thing is about saving a few bucks on an order like you said Bloomz. Very few. Enough worth arguing about? Probably not. Yes, I see the big picture, but y'all are wearing me out! And, Griff, I don't mean this in a bad way cuz I think you're OK too, but you gotta admit that this topic must be exhausting you! You must be showing early signs of carpal tunnel by now from all that typing you do?!
We'll keep our membership to the WS. The WS works for us at this moment because we receive far more than we send out. When that changes we'll consider doing something different but for now, this F2F tax or no tax stuff gives me a headache.
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Blue Oyster Cult said:
What the hell does a POS system have to do with this? Other than we can send direct orders, without sales tax, and even include our tax ID with the order?
And for someone that has "left the industry" you sure seem to still want to play in the sandbox...
Once and for all, tax is collected at the origin of the sale<PERIOD I can see where some would feel uncomfortable with direct orders and no clear identification of the originator, however **IF** one was to get audited you have several months in which to gather your data, and if they pull an order or two, and require copies of certs you would have plenty of time to gather them...
Here's a scenario for those who think they must collect the tax...Oregon...no sales tax, Bloomz calls an order to California who has an 8% tax...how much tax are you gonna try to collect? Or Michigan has a 6%, and I send JB an order to Oregon with no tax...what's he gonna do with the tax?
Sher
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With all due respect to your vast knowledge on this subject, I totally disagree that a "visit" from the Florida Dept of Revenue is less scary than one from IRS. If you are accepting orders from a "florist" using their credit cards then you had better be prepared to show that ID or tax certificate or you will get dinged........and they ding with a big hammer...and yes, having your certificate on record will show at least that you are legitimate and that your are a real business, not just "a customer" trying to skirt around the few bucks of sales tax.Griff said:
As far as wholesalers, they are in the same position as they are not suppose to sell to the public.....ergo they need the certificate for the same reason.
Ya'll have a good day ya hear!
My question Sher is.
When the IRS or SRS are looking at your Books, are they seeing TF or FTD columms listed as Incoming tax exempt orders or is your accountant just lumping in those statement total figures as One big line item under
Member Services?.
When the IRS or SRS are looking at your Books, are they seeing TF or FTD columms listed as Incoming tax exempt orders or is your accountant just lumping in those statement total figures as One big line item under
Member Services?.
[QUOTE= But, my Church and Charity accounts each have a tax exempt form on file and marked TE (tax exempt) in the system. But what about these direct florist orders???
I am definitly interested to hear my accountants view about this. But, on the Church tax exemption, my dad chaired a multi-million dollar building committee for their home church and the tax exempt status didn't work in purchasing. No items (ie:flowers, pews, buses, hymnals, etc.) could be purchased tax exempt in South Carolina by a church. Being in GA. I will definitely check into it. And on that note have you found that personal orders creap into those church "tax exempt" accounts?
I know you guys might get tired of me rehashing old threads so bare with me.
I AM LEARNING!
I am definitly interested to hear my accountants view about this. But, on the Church tax exemption, my dad chaired a multi-million dollar building committee for their home church and the tax exempt status didn't work in purchasing. No items (ie:flowers, pews, buses, hymnals, etc.) could be purchased tax exempt in South Carolina by a church. Being in GA. I will definitely check into it. And on that note have you found that personal orders creap into those church "tax exempt" accounts?
I know you guys might get tired of me rehashing old threads so bare with me.
I AM LEARNING!
BOSS
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snellvilleflorist said:
Nope...never... thats what we're all aboout... learning and teaching....
There are no dumb questions, other than those not asked....
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