Stop! Smell the online flower fraud

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Stop! Smell the Online Flower Fraud

By Michelle Vandepol - Agassiz Observer

Published: April 08, 2009 11:00 AM
Updated: April 08, 2009 11:40 AM

http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/ahobserver/business/42686682.html#disqus_threadMichelle Vandepol

The Observer

Thinking of sending your cross-country friend a bouquet to celebrate or mark a milestone or holiday with them? Good idea.

“Recipients of flowers feel less depressed, anxious, and demonstrate a higher sense of enjoyment and life satisfaction. With so many challenges in today’s life, it’s wonderful to know that something as simple as a bouquet of fresh flowers can alter a person’s mood to something more positive.

"It is also important to know that people who give flowers make the best impression. They are considered more reliable, friendly and emotionally intelligent. The floral gift giver is regarded as highly caring, trustworthy, loving, successful, and as valuing achievement and beauty in life,” says local florist Sandy Lance, citing research done by the Society of American Florists.

But while caught up in the good feelings of picturing how those flowers will brighten someone’s day, be aware for the signs of flower industry fraud, more common now with widespread easy website set-up.

Every industry has the potential to have an unsavory side and you might think the flower industry would be different, but it’s not.

Getting and receiving flowers itself is a positive experience. But the risk in ordering flowers and sending flowers online is there, even with large, well-known companies because of the small set up shop affiliates they work with on a daily basis.

A lot of these are small basement operations with a good looking website. Some are just looking to make a bit of money brokering flowers. Others have something more sinister in mind.

The Florist Detective.com exposes cases like the local Cambridge, MA florist advertised through Google as a family business that’s been around for 90 years. It turned out to be a call centre in Mission Viejo, CA.

Beyond taking liberties in advertising, fraud can also be embedded in the actual transaction itself, trading a large dollar amount that both robs the florist doing the work and the customer who has paid for something larger than the item sold minus all the online scammer’s fees.

A fee case in point from the floral detective: a woman orders flowers from what she thinks is a well known online company.

Her order is a little over $60 with shipping and handling and taxes on top of that. She puts the total of $89.25 on her credit card.

What she doesn’t see is the fine print at the bottom of the page under a link marked 'Delivery' that says the following: "Due to the increased costs needed to secure and transfer orders, there is an additional relay fee that has been added into the net cost of the products on our website and will be deducted from the product amount to offset these additional costs. This fee will in no way affect the quality, size, or quantity of the item you purchase. We apologize for the need to deduct this fee but your order will still be delivered as pictured on our website and handled with professional care.”

Of course the size and quality of the arrangement are affected (where else would the extra money come from?) but the customer has completed the transaction already and most likely won’t be seeing the arrangement in person so has no way of knowing.

By the time the order gets to the local Cambridge florist, there is only $50 worth of flower order to work with and the florist will be taking the flack for the lack of promised arrangement.

Lance takes time out from assembling her upcoming Easter ordering list to give the down-low from a florist’s perspective.

“Regrettably the sending customer could be disappointed if they receive a photo of what has been received by the recipient, because the florist can only scale it down, and do it to the value that they have been given or they won’t be in business for very long,” she says.

This is not a new phenomenon. During her career as florist, Lance has heard of situations similar time and again.

In addition, some stories end with less than a too-small bouquet.
Imagine paying that much and having nothing arrive at the recipient’s house at all.

“Over the years there have been dozens of cases where residents have come into the shop and told us their sad story of having gone online to send flowers that were in some cases never even received. My advice is to use a website that actually gives you a shop's name, phone number and address, and make a short call to talk with them personally,” she says.
Her recommendation is Flowershopnetwork.com.

With Easter flower sales upcoming, enter into your transactions with your eyes wide open.
Whether some florists advocate giving up the fight, consumers are still getting ripped off and dOGs still make flowers as a gift appear to be a bad choice.

Overall, a very informative article for shoppers. :)
 
Good posts MLOU and Cathy. I have tried to do something about this guy's hidden fees before, to no avail. Apparently no one is going to stand up to someone spending $22,000 a day in PPC fees (If I recall correctly).

Unfortunately, I believe this kind of press hurts the whole industry. Most people won't spend enough time to figure out the local vs. OG thing and instead will just buy something else.
 
Good posts MLOU and Cathy. I have tried to do something about this guy's hidden fees before, to no avail. Apparently no one is going to stand up to someone spending $22,000 a day in PPC fees (If I recall correctly).

Unfortunately, I believe this kind of press hurts the whole industry. Most people won't spend enough time to figure out the local vs. OG thing and instead will just buy something else.

Ditto that. Good find - bad article.

More bad PR for the industry - just before a major holiday too...bummer.
 
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Any article that serves to educate consumers about shopping smart for flowers is good for us all.

Better for buyers to be aware than to let us all stand by silently and lose them due to deceptive selling practices.

The BBB says 'Florists' ranked #68 for overall complaints in 2008, and Canada is even worse, coming in at #18. The vast majority of 'florists' complaints were generated by OGs, especially dOGs.

You can continue to believe this type is article is bad for biz, but I maintain the deceptive business practices have done far worse to turn off infrequent buyers to choose flowers as a gift.

Educated shoppers benefit us all.
 
fraud

the florist mentioned in the story is a proud ftd florist!!!!
we would get odd orders from them, since we are 2 town over could not for the life of us figure out who they were, did some digging and figured it out ... ftd has no issues with it. leaves a bad taste.
 
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Most people won't spend enough time to figure out the local vs. OG thing and instead will just buy something else.
Sorry, but I disagree. More and more I'm hearing from customers sotries of "we tried xxx" and got burnt...

And they come back to buy from local florists. Flower sender are flower senders PERIOD!

Great article find ladies!... I see the FD folks posted over there too ;)
 
Sorry but I disagree with your disagreements Sir and Maam...

Bad press is just that - bad press - and it reflects poorly on our entire industry.

Our industry needs to police itself and not scare customers, potential or active. If it can't do that, as we obviously can't, let's just scare people away?

What we don't hear is from those that don't buy flowers anymore because, well you know - it's a dangerous neighborhood. Watch out cuz it's SO easy to get burned.

Shouting it from the rooftops just perpetuates and strengthens the bad PR.

I do totally agree about deceptive practices, but I don't see bad press as any kind of solution other than a shot ourselves in the foot one.

Cut our noses off to spite their faces don't work for this wacko.


If this was kept within the industry it would be a totally different matter, but consumers don't care about the intricacies of it - they just care about safe gifting, and this scares them off all of us.


There's a lot of other places to spend gifting money out there you know...
 
Sorry Bloomz, I had to give you a thumbs down. I don't see it that way AT ALL! I think it is a very informative article educating the public on a potential scam. It's elevating the point that the local florist is your best bet in helping you to SEND flowers to whomever you need to.

Just by word of mouth from me, every one of my friends, family and acquaintances now know to go to THEIR local florist to send flowers and order flowers!! They are so proud to do that and mention it to me...that they are supporting their local florist.

An article's reach is much farther than mine!
 
Our industry needs to police itself and not scare customers, potential or active.
As you know, I agree with this (but not with your disagreement, of my agreement of their disagreement, um...whatever) but you and I both know that the Floral Mafia (wire services, SAF, AFMC, WS&FSA) will never do a dang thing about it!

So, in light of their holding each others hands, it's up to the florists to spread the word ANY way we can!

And really, it's only the florists that make the majority of their income from web sales that disagree with pointing out the fraud.

I do not believe that these practices result in changing flower buyers into jewelry buyers or anything like that. Flower buyers are flowers buyers. Yes they may buy something else once in a while, but in general they come back to flowers...ask your customers.
 
I think you may have missed the essence of my post Aileen.....

You're spreading positivity - a completely different animal than scaring people of of buying flowers by alerting them to "how easy it is to get ripped off" and what a "dangerous" neighborhood it is to purchase flowers.

An article's reach is much further than yours indeed and that is exactly why we need only positive stuff out there being disseminated.

I feel very strongly about this, as apparently do the others on the other side of this debate. But I think they're willing to cut off our noses to spite their faces, and I don't believe that is productive for a second.

Again - bad PR is bad PR - for us all.

but - opinions vary and I still see mine as useful. But I disagree with anyone that disagrees with me - FLORISTS need to know this stuff - the public doesn't.

so there.

so thumbs down back atcha Leenster

carry on...

I agree BOSS,
Stupid Flower Buyers, will become Smart Flower Buyers very fast after getting burned by scum of the industry...I see it happening right before my eyes,shoppers are getting smarter, it's a slow process but sooner or later everyone will know how to find a real florist...:headbang:

So puzzle me this Mister willya?

Why is our part of the pie shrinking as theirs is growing?
 
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So puzzle me this Mister willya?

Why is our part of the pie shrinking as theirs is growing?

Because there still are a lot of stupid flower buyers out there:iamwith:, I said it would take a long time to educate them all, but one by one, they will get smarter....

I am not going to argue that they(DOGS) are successful and are outselling us all right NOW,but lets give it about 5 more years and we will see where they are then ;) Eventually it will come back to bite them in the assss...
 
JB -

These types of articles aren't just 'made up stuff' by the writers, nor are they driven by some sort of campaign by florists.

They're written because the rip-off incidences happen often enough - actually far too often - and resonate with consumers.

You don't want to read them? Then actively help clean this stuff up instead of advocating shops 'just get over it'.
 
Sorry...more productive battles to fight.

You should see my 4" thick folder on my desk here from back when I used to try - letters to florists, wire services, consumer alerts I actually paid to put in the newspaper, all kinds of stuff.

Been there, done that - it still grew.

I don't advocate "getting over it" - spread it to every florist you know.

I do not advocate shouting "Danger" to the public.

Huge difference.

We can't get florists to quit filling them, how are we gonna get the public to quit buying from them without the undesired side effect of them quitting buying from all of us???

These stories are not "made up" - never thought or said that - but they are from the news media where if it bleeds it leads and they get too much (bad) play on their own.

This stuff also further drives them to the "Mother Ships" of 800TFTD cuz they have the brand equity to make the public feel secure.

Obviously we're never going to agree on this, but I will continue pointing out the counter productivity of it each time it comes up.
 
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I think you may have missed the essence of my post Aileen.....

You're spreading positivity - a completely different animal than scaring people of of buying flowers by alerting them to "how easy it is to get ripped off" and what a "dangerous" neighborhood it is to purchase flowers.

An article's reach is much further than yours indeed and that is exactly why we need only positive stuff out there being disseminated.

That's ok you can thumbs down me but it won't bring me down!

I think the article was positive, positive for florists. It was saying to the general population that your local florist isn't the one screwing you...it's those internet guys. It was making the general public aware that to get the best value for their money GO TO a local florist.

Nothing will happen overnight...it will change through the course of education for both the florist and the public. You can't just educate only the florists not to fill... you still need to educate the public on not ordering from those internet guys. They go hand in hand. :smoke
 
Bloomz, don't say "we can't", maybe one day we can get most florists to stop filling the orders, one step at a time ;)

OK Joe - I tried, I really really did, for several years - here's the torch - good luck with it.

But do not hold your breath.

And - most of all - don't forget to have a good time.:headbang: :icon15 :bangles:

Aileen - that article is NOT positive, either for florists or for consumers, or for our industry.

How you can draw that from a negative sensationalist piece like that is beyond me - whatever yer smokin...pass it over.

But you kidz are younger than me - go for it, Cathy and Boss and Adam need your help.

Just don't shoot me in the foot while blasting away, willya?
 
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