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Front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer today - the Cleveland Clinic has banned anyone under the age of 18 from visiting any patients in ANY of the Clinic facilities, even if the children are exhibiting no symptoms. Apparently children are the biggest carriers (which all of you with kids already knew.) No where near enough vaccines in this city either. I couldn't get a vaccine even if I wanted one.
 
It seems to be travelling like wild fire over there. It did die down a little over her when the kids were off school but i have heard it is going to rear its head again soon, and after what you have said this seems to be true.

Tamiflu is not recommended for little ones over here but i might get some in just in case, getting to a doctors and diagnosed in the short period may not be viable if it hits big. We are told not to go to the docs and they stopped actually testing ages ago.

If anyone needs to know where they can get prescribed tamiflu before it happens pm me.
 
We had a twelve year old hockey player die very suddenly last week as a result of the flu. He played on Saturday and died on Sunday.

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has anyone considered the ramifications of taking flu shots, of ANY kind??
Seems, that we've lost the "immunity perspective", when it comes to chemically inducing "resistance", to any particular strain??
This is NOT an "if" or "or".....what we are actually "lining up" for, is a way to remain at work, and the kids in school, so, getting the flu shot "seems" to be an "economic stimulator", by keeping things at status quo.
People with serious compromised health issues, or moms to be, NEED all the help they can get, BUT, by NOT allowing your system to develop it's OWN anti-bodies, aren't we becoming totally dependent on vaccines??
Does ANYONE see the dangers in this??
My wife Sandie has just come out of H1N1, almost 20 days worth, had to keep her away from EVERYONE, but, she DID get over it...MOST people WILL.
Are we placing all, entire populations in complete panic mode, where EVERYTHING grinds to a halt??
Seems all these questions have been "asked", though few "answered"...
H1N1 is SERIOUS......it's NOT political, most people should "reconsider" their own reasons for NOT getting immunized..GET THE SHOT!!
My nephew played a hockey tournament this past weekend, one of his friends played a full weekend of hockey, fell ill on Sunday night, progressed worse on Monday, and before his distraught parents could get him to medical attention, he ran for the bathroom, to "be sick",and dropped dead...just a kid...NO other issues, NO other medical "problems, healthy as a horse, great hockey player, JUST A KID!!
DON'T be foolish...you work with the public!!
 
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Victoria said:
We had a twelve year old hockey player die very suddenly last week as a result of the flu. He played on Saturday and died on Sunday.

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he played saturday AND sunday, and died on monday
 
If we all take the precautions and share this Article with everyone…maybe it won’t be as awful as predicted!

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With the constant fear of H1N1 symptoms, the following measures can be practiced by one and all. This is an information which I just received from a friend whose father is a Consultant General Surgeon & Gastroenterologist, and I do hope it could be beneficial to the students and their families alike. Tami flu does not kill the virus, but prevents H1N1 from further proliferation till the virus limits itself in about 1-2 weeks (its natural cycle). H1N1, like other Influenza A viruses, only infects the upper respiratory tract and proliferates (only) there. The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/ throat. In a global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible not coming into contact with H1N1. Contact with H1N1 is not so much of a problem as proliferation is.

While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1 infection, in order to prevent proliferation (GROWTH & SPREAD OF THE VIRUS), aggravation of symptoms and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps - not fully highlighted in most official communications - can be practiced (instead of focusing on how to stock N95 or Tami flu):


1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official communications).

2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach. Resist all temptations to touch any part of face (unless you want to eat, bathe or slap).

3. Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine if you don't trust salt). H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat/ nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy individual that Tami flu has on an infected one. Don't
underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful preventative method..

4. Similar to 3 above, clean your nostrils at least once every day with warm salt water. Not everybody may be good at Jala Neti or Sutra Neti (very good

Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities), but blowing the nose hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population.

5. Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C (Amla and other citrus fruits). If you have to supplement with Vitamin C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc/bioflavonoids to boost absorption.

6. Drink as much of warm liquids as you can. Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat into the stomach where they cannot
survive, proliferate or do any harm.

All these are simple ways to prevent, within means of most households, and certainly much less painful than to wait in long queues outside public hospitals.
 
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And further...

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Know the Difference between aCold and H1N1 Flu Symptoms



Symptom
Cold
H1N1 Flu

Fever
Fever is rare with a cold.
Fever is usually present with the flu in up to 80% of all flu cases. A temperature of 100°F or higher for 3 to 4 days is associated with the H1N1 flu.

Coughing
A hacking, productive (mucus- producing) cough is often present with a cold.
A non-productive (non-mucus producing) cough is usually present with the H1N1 flu (sometimes referred to as dry cough).

Aches
Slight body aches and pains can be part of a cold.
Severe aches and pains are common with the H1N1 flu.

Stuffy Nose
Stuffy nose is commonly present with a cold and typically resolves spontaneously within a week.
Stuffy nose is not commonly present with the H1N1 flu.

Chills
Chills are uncommon with a cold.
60% of people who have the H1N1 flu experience chills.

Tiredness
Tiredness is fairly mild with a cold.
Tiredness is moderate to severe with the H1N1 flu.

Sneezing
Sneezing is commonly present with a cold.
Sneezing is not common with the H1N1 flu.

Sudden Symptoms
Cold symptoms tend to develop over a few days.
The H1N1 flu has a rapid onset within 3-6 hours. The flu hits hard and includes sudden symptoms like high fever, aches and pains.

Headache
A headache is fairly uncommon with a cold.
A headache is very common with the H1N1 flu, present in 80% of flu cases.

Sore Throat
Sore throat is commonly present with a cold.
Sore throat is not commonly present with the H1N1 flu.

Chest Discomfort
Chest discomfort is mild to moderate with a cold.
Chest discomfort is often severe with the H1N1 flu.
 
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Point is Mike, the child died.

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I truly want my sons to get the shot. They are 20 and 23. The youngest is working in healthcare through college so he will get it the soonest. The oldest is waiting for it to become available and will get in line when he can. The vaccine is not available to anyone but healthcare workers in my area and even in that case is not widely available to them yet.

Our school has a few cases and we are watching my 13 year old stepson closely as a friend of his just got over it. I had to deliver to the school last week and it smelled like a hospital in there. They had teams of people disinfecting everything.

Most likely, by the time the vaccine is widely available I will have either had it by then or it will be dying off by then. But, I will get it when I can. I was able to get the seasonal flu shot a few weeks ago but even it has become hard to find. Flu clinics all around have been cancelled because they can't get the seasonal flu shot anymore.

The reason I will get the swine flu vaccine is because I don't want to get it and endanger any of my customers, friends, or family by unknowingly passing it on before I might know if I had it.

I know that the vaccines create antibodies to the flu strains in the shot, but does anyone know if antibodies created this way is the same as your body producing it by coming in contact with the actual strain naturally. I would think that any way you get the antibodies is same/same?
 
My kids are getting the shot on Nov 5th. Regular flu and H1N1. They are 8 and 9. In our area, each Dr decides the age group they will give it to depending on the supply they have. When I made the appt two weeks ago, my Dr was giving the H1N1 to healthy 5-9 year olds only, although they expected to have more of a supply by Nov, and would offer to kids of all ages.

IMO... healthy adults should NOT get the vaccine, until there is enough supply first for all kids, high risk adults, teachers and medical persons to get it BEFORE healthy adults that would likely fight it off with no problems.
 
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My kids are getting the shot on Nov 5th. Regular flu and H1N1. They are 8 and 9. In our area, each Dr decides the age group they will give it to depending on the supply they have. When I made the appt two weeks ago, my Dr was giving the H1N1 to healthy 5-9 year olds only, although they expected to have more of a supply by Nov, and would offer to kids of all ages.

IMO... healthy adults should NOT get the vaccine, until there is enough supply first for all kids, high risk adults, teachers and medical persons to get it BEFORE healthy adults that would likely fight it off with no problems.
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I agree, I am 45 and I won't get it until all at high risk are vaccinated. This is a flu that is affecting children and you are right. They should give out the vaccine in that priority.
 
By the time I finished reading this thread yesterday, I was starting to feel a little light headed, groggy and just plain icky. I don't think there is anything wrong with me, but I am afraid that the more I stories I hear, the more paranoid I get. Knowledge is king, but at what point does knowledge become paranoia.

V, thanks for posting the article and the difference between the cold/H1N1 thing, and April, thanks for sharing your first hand story.

I have no intention of getting the shot for myself of my kids. We are just boosting our immunity with some great herbs from the health food store (they have never let me down before). JMHO!
 
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Our medical providers are saying that you shouldn't get both flu shots together, that you should get the H1N1 first and then a normal flu shot one month later to prevent complications.
 
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Please take some of this information into careful consideration before getting the shot.

www.swineflu.mercola.com

There is some great stuff INCLUDING how the CDC has stopped testing for H1N1
Where is the white house getting these so-called "pandemic" numbers from?
Are they making them up?

please please research before you give your children this vaccine.
The CDC rushed this "mock" vaccine to the manufacturers. The Actual Vaccine contains an adjuvant called "thimerosal" which is basically mercury.
The H1N1 vaccine contains 250 time the legal amount of mercury that is allowed in FOOD!!! mercury is more toxic than lead and can lead to a host of nervous system disorders.
Although scientists have never successfully link thimerosal to Austism, consider the following:
Amish communities DO NOT immunize their children and they have No cases of autism among them.
Food for thought......
 
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Looks like it might have hit our house this past week but advice is to just stay home, so that's what we've done. My 14-yr-old daughter was most ill - persistent fever, coughing, headache - and I was really concerned when I heard about the 13-yr-old hockey player this week so we kept a good eye on her. She seems to be on the mend now.

I think the best anybody can do, besides the obvious hand-washing, coughing into arm, etc., is to be aware and monitor illness, especially in our children.

I found this info on Seasonal vs. H1N1 in the Globe and Mail:

H1N1 v. seasonal flu: How to tell the difference

Where it infects:

Seasonal flu

Typical influenza viruses infect the cells lining the main airway and nasal tract, according to Earl Brown, a virologist at the University of Ottawa.

H1N1

The virus also infects the airway, but in some individuals, it continues to move down and infect the lungs. It's “very unusual” for seasonal flu viruses to infect lungs, Dr. Brown said. The H1N1 virus causes lung infection much more often and “more completely,” he said, which is why some people have ended up in intensive care units or even dying from complications of the virus.

Symptoms:

Seasonal flu

Cough, sore throat, fever, headache, muscle ache, loss of appetite, runny nose, joint pain and fatigue are common symptoms of seasonal flu. Some people may also experience nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, although this tends to be more common in children.

H1N1

Many symptoms of this virus are similar to seasonal flu, but there are some warning signs that may indicate a case that needs immediate medical attention. Common symptoms include sore throat, cough, fever, muscle aches, headache, loss of appetite and runny nose, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada. Health experts say more people with H1N1 appear to experience vomiting and diarrhea than typical seasonal influenza cases. Symptoms that warrant immediate medical attention include any rapid breath, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, as well as if a person's complexion is grey or lips appear blue. Another warning sign is if someone is extremely lethargic, isn't making sense or appears generally out of it.

At-risk groups:

Seasonal flu

Although seasonal flu can affect people of any age and occasionally cause complications, the vast majority of the severe cases and deaths occur in the elderly.

H1N1

Unlike seasonal flu, the virus is hitting younger people particularly hard, as well as people with certain health conditions. The Public Health Agency of Canada has identified groups it considers most at risk: Children under age 5; pregnant women; those with chronic conditions, such as asthma, heart or kidney disease, chronic lung disease, liver disease, suppressed immune systems, neurological disorders, blood disorders and severe obesity.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...lu-how-to-tell-the-difference/article1342642/
 
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Her case was one in millions because she carried a certain genetic defect (IIRC). Certainly not a reaction found by the norm. It's always a risk no matter what you subscribe to, that is why doctors "practice".
 
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