Connie
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You might want to check with IFA (Independent Florist Association).
1-800-830-6160
You might want to check with IFA (Independent Florist Association).
1-800-830-6160
Teleflora down in orders?
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Julz
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We use Flower Shop Network. Small relay fee of $3.99, 20/80, payment on cc/debit card (no statements!) checks sent out every Monday for receiving florists. If you have their website, you get 100% of the order. We wish we did this a long time ago instead of wasting our time and money on FTD and 1-800.
Julz
Julz
Cutting Wire Services is a difficult Choice. If I was sending out as many as I get in, I would be in great shape. 800 now is a real wire service, we belong to the wire service and still belong to Bloomnet where most of our orders come from.
I just found out that a large drop recently in Teleflora is that a order gather, who sends us really good orders, recently switched to sending through 800 for the rebate rather than Teleflora.
I still say that Teleflora, has the most integrity and really has there florist members at heart. Of course I am on Teleflora RTI, POS, but I would keep them just because of there Loyalty to me.
If your not in for getting orders like us, truthfully you only need one wire service, or for that matter none at all.
I just found out that a large drop recently in Teleflora is that a order gather, who sends us really good orders, recently switched to sending through 800 for the rebate rather than Teleflora.
I still say that Teleflora, has the most integrity and really has there florist members at heart. Of course I am on Teleflora RTI, POS, but I would keep them just because of there Loyalty to me.
If your not in for getting orders like us, truthfully you only need one wire service, or for that matter none at all.
Joe Mioux
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Haven't noticed any large OG changing product images from TF's to 1-800's. Is it a company that primarily uses their own product photos? (Yes, I'm fishing for a name...
)Ditto.
Connie
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I can't answer about membership because I don't know....never asked. I can tell you that I've never sent an order via IFA which was not delivered. That includes international orders also.
TOTO
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Re: No SLAP from Tom in my opinion Joe.
From my point of view Joe, Tom answered her question in a professional manner as well as both pithy and succinct.
In my own umble opinion and having been around in the industry since 1964 and in business for ourselves since 1969, we were once a member of seven wire services back in the 1970s into the early 1980s to include Teleflora, FTD, AFS, Florafax, FCN, Carik, and Redbook. Of course, back in those days, we were all in FAT CITY so the liability from their losses were easily obscured.
Sure, we were busy as all get out, but I kept wondering about getting any return for all of our efforts. Wasn't until I got over the Lotus learning curve, put em all up on separate spreadsheets, and discovered DA TRUTH.
Based on INCOMING ORDERS ALONE, all of them failed to produce any profit whatsoever after I had factored in all of their annual charges. In fact, we were actually experiencing a NET LOSS of (-10%) per incoming order.
In reality, and based on their creative financing techniques, the profits from our OUTGOING ORDERS were actually subsidizing the losses we incurred on the HIGHLY DISCOUNTED INCOMING ORDERS.
At that point, I had to ask myself the hard question of; Just why was it that, we needed more than one wire service to SEND OUT ORDERS? The obvious answer was that, WE DIDN'T need more than one since, having more than one simply cut into the profits gleaned from our outgoing wire orders.
And so, we dumped six and kept the one we owned back then.
That's the history of what once was.
In today's new business environment, I've come full circle once again, only to realize that, we no longer can afford even one wire service. With their base annual charges of anywhere from $3,000 to $5,000 depending upon your level of bells and whistles, and since none of them are able to make your cash register ring with the customer's 100% sale, it's a tough nut to crack.
Only thing they seem to offer these days are more highly discounted orders from THEIR WEBSITE CUSTOMERS with lower price points due to the fact that, they are all in COMPETITION with each other over which ORDER GATHERER can have that LOWEST PRICE POINT.
Couple that scenario with their ridiculous recipes (2 of this, 2 of that, 2 of those, and in assorted colors too) not to mention FREE DELIVERY $ERVICE too, not only do those fillers SPIN THEIR WHEELS FOR NAUGHT, they waste their labor, products, gas, wear and tear on their vehicle, and precious time.
As others have suggested, DA PUBLIC is getting smarter, using the internet more, and searching out and finding a REAL FLORIST who will be DOING THEIR DOO. Facts are that, since they've gotten burned in the past when using one of the MIDDLEMEN, they aren't about to let that happen to them again.
We are sending out our orders through IFA now, and at only $20 per month when you send orders out. That my dear REAL FLORIST friends, is the best deal around.
www.myifa.org
As to how many members they have? Don't have an answer to that question but I do know that, they have an agreement with FAS users and we have not had one problem getting any of our orders out at 80% net to filler florist.
Yes, on occasion, and when we call a florist on the IFA list, we hit upon a few of those really smart rocket science florists or their clerks.
When we tell them that, we have an IFA order for them at net 80% using our company credit card, some balk and state that, they only fill orders for one of their wire services. I then go on to explain that, their wire service will only pay them 73% less another 2% for FTO, thus netting them 71%.
In our case, you'll be netting 80% or 9% more than your wire service pays you when their smoke and mirrors clear.
Suffice it to say that, some just can't get it, which is just what the wire services all love, TOTAL IGNORANCE with NO ACCOUNTING for ACCOUNTING, or lack thereof!
the lady asked a question, not a slap for using wire services. everyone has an opinion of wire services. this is not fair to her, can someone just answer her question politely. we are al friends here. right?
From my point of view Joe, Tom answered her question in a professional manner as well as both pithy and succinct.
In my own umble opinion and having been around in the industry since 1964 and in business for ourselves since 1969, we were once a member of seven wire services back in the 1970s into the early 1980s to include Teleflora, FTD, AFS, Florafax, FCN, Carik, and Redbook. Of course, back in those days, we were all in FAT CITY so the liability from their losses were easily obscured.
Sure, we were busy as all get out, but I kept wondering about getting any return for all of our efforts. Wasn't until I got over the Lotus learning curve, put em all up on separate spreadsheets, and discovered DA TRUTH.
Based on INCOMING ORDERS ALONE, all of them failed to produce any profit whatsoever after I had factored in all of their annual charges. In fact, we were actually experiencing a NET LOSS of (-10%) per incoming order.
In reality, and based on their creative financing techniques, the profits from our OUTGOING ORDERS were actually subsidizing the losses we incurred on the HIGHLY DISCOUNTED INCOMING ORDERS.
At that point, I had to ask myself the hard question of; Just why was it that, we needed more than one wire service to SEND OUT ORDERS? The obvious answer was that, WE DIDN'T need more than one since, having more than one simply cut into the profits gleaned from our outgoing wire orders.
And so, we dumped six and kept the one we owned back then.
That's the history of what once was.
In today's new business environment, I've come full circle once again, only to realize that, we no longer can afford even one wire service. With their base annual charges of anywhere from $3,000 to $5,000 depending upon your level of bells and whistles, and since none of them are able to make your cash register ring with the customer's 100% sale, it's a tough nut to crack.
Only thing they seem to offer these days are more highly discounted orders from THEIR WEBSITE CUSTOMERS with lower price points due to the fact that, they are all in COMPETITION with each other over which ORDER GATHERER can have that LOWEST PRICE POINT.
Couple that scenario with their ridiculous recipes (2 of this, 2 of that, 2 of those, and in assorted colors too) not to mention FREE DELIVERY $ERVICE too, not only do those fillers SPIN THEIR WHEELS FOR NAUGHT, they waste their labor, products, gas, wear and tear on their vehicle, and precious time.
As others have suggested, DA PUBLIC is getting smarter, using the internet more, and searching out and finding a REAL FLORIST who will be DOING THEIR DOO. Facts are that, since they've gotten burned in the past when using one of the MIDDLEMEN, they aren't about to let that happen to them again.
We are sending out our orders through IFA now, and at only $20 per month when you send orders out. That my dear REAL FLORIST friends, is the best deal around.
www.myifa.org
As to how many members they have? Don't have an answer to that question but I do know that, they have an agreement with FAS users and we have not had one problem getting any of our orders out at 80% net to filler florist.
Yes, on occasion, and when we call a florist on the IFA list, we hit upon a few of those really smart rocket science florists or their clerks.
When we tell them that, we have an IFA order for them at net 80% using our company credit card, some balk and state that, they only fill orders for one of their wire services. I then go on to explain that, their wire service will only pay them 73% less another 2% for FTO, thus netting them 71%.
In our case, you'll be netting 80% or 9% more than your wire service pays you when their smoke and mirrors clear.
Suffice it to say that, some just can't get it, which is just what the wire services all love, TOTAL IGNORANCE with NO ACCOUNTING for ACCOUNTING, or lack thereof!
Joe Mioux
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T,
can you site where I said something inapropriate.?
I don't believe I responded to Tom Carlson post in anyway.
Please elaborate.
thanks
Joe
Joe Mioux
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toto
did you really mean to address your response to me Joe?
hmmm..........
Joe Mioux
ps. not to be confused with other ppl!
pps and just how and why would you?
did you really mean to address your response to me Joe?
hmmm..........
Joe Mioux
ps. not to be confused with other ppl!
pps and just how and why would you?
Joe Mioux
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the lady asked a question, not a slap for using wire services. everyone has an opinion of wire services. this is not fair to her, can someone just answer her question politely. we are al friends here. right?
Toto.
Is this your reference?
RC in Dayton and Cincinnati
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Joe M,
It can get confusing when some of us only know each other by their handle name while others know the person behind the handle.
Stormy is Joe from george k walker florist so Toto (John) was referring, not to you, but Stormy.
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Here is a funny comic that seems appropriate (to me at least) under the wire service/ordergatherer heading.
It can get confusing when some of us only know each other by their handle name while others know the person behind the handle.
Stormy is Joe from george k walker florist so Toto (John) was referring, not to you, but Stormy.
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Here is a funny comic that seems appropriate (to me at least) under the wire service/ordergatherer heading.
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BOSS
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BOSS
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I was wondering if I'd find this here this morning after seeing it on F&C...
Thanks Randy!
TOTO
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Re: Quote was from STORMY (aka Joe Hinson)
I guess you may have read my post too quickly Joe. The quote I copied into my post clearly indicated a post by STORMY, aka Joe Hinson, not Joe Mioux.
I guess you may have read my post too quickly Joe. The quote I copied into my post clearly indicated a post by STORMY, aka Joe Hinson, not Joe Mioux.
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