The Buzz on FTD Marketing

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TOTO said:
Thanks again to both you and Boss for giving us these links.

You did a wonderful job with the new VD DAY blog.

Now, it's up to US WEE BEES to get the word and these links out to everyone, especially the folks in the media....

We need to turn the tables and make them all SEE THE TRUTH between what WEE FLORISTS REALLY DOO as compared to WHAT THE SKIMMERS and FARM DIRECT DON'T!

OK, suggestion...

Go to the Valentines press release that I posted on the FlowerChat Blog.
(sorry, I forget about all the newbie on FlowerChat...http://realflorists.flowerchat.com/)

Click on Leave a comment at the bottom of the posted article.
Post your comments...especially compare or give examples of florists vs direct shipment..
We could use lots of comments, but please use a variety of examples (don't just beat a dead horse). Sign your name and a link to your shop...

Remember, we want comments that use some of the same keywords as the post on Fat Wallet so the post on our site will rank with their post.

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Maybe his posts were deleted because some kids post like that, aka l337 d00ds. (Leet Doods, aka Elite doods, aka, punk kids trying to sound cool) This kind of talk annoys most grown ups on forums, online games and any other online type of communication.

You're a smart guy, they just don't know you.
 
Dazeal said:
Maybe his posts were deleted because some kids post like that, aka l337 d00ds. (Leet Doods, aka Elite doods, aka, punk kids trying to sound cool) This kind of talk annoys most grown ups on forums, online games and any other online type of communication.

You're a smart guy, they just don't know you.

No, his post was removed because they didn't want the "real florist" giving informed information to the clueless...

Look at their Keywords with links...(can you say "Affiliate program") plus they keep posting their Google Ads. Between the click thrus on the Google Ads and the commission they collect from the Affiliate dot.com they'll have a huge check next month.

1-800-Flowers (link) - Get 20% OFF purchases with code GPMJ applied at checkout

Kabloom (link) - A Dozen Long Stem Roses for $29.81 with coupon code V6KEBRRA

Long Stem Roses at walmart.com(link)

Bunch of specials at Proflowers.com(link) with 10% Cash Back.

FTD(link) - $15 off any order http://www.FTD.com/ent11688/(link)

ok so will someone enlighten me on the best way to get roses delivered to my girl @ her job? I definately want to have this done at her job too. i see at the 1800Flowers.com(link) they ship ups or fedex or whatever but will they be in a box/crushed/bad looking? past experiences...not trying to hijack thread but I thought it was relevant. thanks.

OK, here's why they removed the "real Florist" post... to send fedex boxed flowers that your girl will have to set up & put in a vase herself at work, then go with the ProFlowers(link) deal. Link Dont forget the 10% FatCash too.

to send florist arranged & delivered flowers, then go with 1-800-Flowers(link), but be sure the arrangement you select is "florist designed" and NOT "Fresh from our growers". Use the 8% FatCash and OP's 20% off code above.

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=18&threadid=571532&lastpage=1
 
mlou said:
OK, suggestion...

Go to the Valentines press release that I posted on the FlowerChat Blog.
(sorry, I forget about all the newbie on FlowerChat...http://realflorists.flowerchat.com/)

Click on Leave a comment at the bottom of the posted article.
Post your comments...especially compare or give examples of florists vs direct shipment..
We could use lots of comments, but please use a variety of examples (don't just beat a dead horse). Sign your name and a link to your shop...

Remember, we want comments that use some of the same keywords as the post on Fat Wallet so the post on our site will rank with their post.

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Tried to place a comment, but got WARNING messages like:
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and many others...did I do something wrong???

- H
 
PhillyPhlorist said:
Tried to place a comment, but got WARNING messages like:
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and many others...did I do something wrong???

- H

Ditto. Same here.
 
Your's is there Herb....

I have seen the same error message...we'll check into it....thanks for the heads up....

mark
 
Fat Wallet Follow-up

Caught a few follow-up posts from purchasers who took advantage of those Fat Wallet discounts:

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The bastards didn't deliver them to my girlfriend today, they just left a note saying to call (the website explicitly said if no one was there they would leave them). When she called they said they weren't sure when the would deliver them but they would call her back and bring them tonight, then they never called. I've got to call tomorrow and try to get my $$ back. Fortunately this wasn't the only thing I did for valentines day but none the less its BS.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This was so funny. I tried the deal. FTD sent the flowers via DHL next day or something silly. The roses arrived early on Tuesday frozen solid and half of them wilted to garbage when they thawed. Called FTD to complain and they said call WalMart. WalMart refunded my $, sent a free replacement order of roses, and credited my account for another free flower order of equal/lesser value. This was great customer service by WalMart. However, the replacement roses arrived today and again they are frozen and are half wilted (and they only sent 10 instead of 12). You could tell that they WERE very nice quality roses before shipping froze them (which I find very amuzing). My g/f said she could make one dozen of decent quality roses from everything, so she wasn't too upset. Morale of the story is that if you live in a warm climate, this deal would have been pretty hot and my g/f said they were boxed very nicely so that wasn't an issue... [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I had the same experience. Ordered them and my wife said she got them and had to peal off some of the petals to make them look good. I will say WalMart made it right by refund and replace, we will see what the replacement looks like [/FONT]
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[/FONT]Moral of the story - if it's cheap enough and you give free replacements, you can really screw up on the first try.

FTD

Too many posts to cut and paste but the florist-delivered buyers appeared very happy that their flowers were delivered by well-known local shop. But 50% of the posts claimed non-delivery. Felt especially bad for the guy that had promoted FTD to other forum members - and his was one of the no-shows.

Another FTD thread - "Do not buy flowers through FTD, incompetent and cannot deliver" Really, really interesting from the perprective of perceptions about florists by consumers.
My apologies to anyone in the florist business, but this trade does not seem to regard reliability or quality as important.

I'd say half the flowers I've sent in my life did not arrive as ordered - either something I paid for was missing, something else was delivered, the flowers arrived extremely late or the flowers were not fresh. In general, I don't rely on florists to deliver anything.

BloomsUSA.com
Dont mean to thread crap but this site is garbage. I ordered from then for Valentines Day, paid the ridiculous charge to have it delivered on 2/14/06, it is currently 5:00 PM PST and no flowers. The phone system has been busy all day, and when i emailed customer service i get a form letter saying we can not cancel, check status, or update any orders until 2/17/06. Horrible horrible company, will never use them again.

1800flowers.com

Oh, my. Long thread highlighting lots of problems. The worst are blamed on local florists.
lesson: next time dont give flowers (which will die after 1 week). Give other stuff like clothing, costmetics, etc.
followed by
I'd rather have flowers. If someone I was dating gave me new lipstick and eyeliner, I'd stick my foot so far up his butt he'd never walk right again.
:eek: :>


ProFlowers.com

i got my flowers on the 13th and 14th... but god @@@@, they had to be the worse looking/in shape/quality flowers ever... who in there right mind would give anyone a bunch of these things....
half of the flowers were dead and the rest looked like they were beaten on the side of a car... THANKS
ProFlowers!!! I just guarenteed myself no sex for about a year...
If you watch the news or just understand basic supply and demand, you'll understand that rose quality is at it's lowest point for V-day season. However, many of us prefer this tradition so our options are either: a) Warehouse stores like Sams/Costco b) local florist or c) mail order. I can't speak to "A" because I've never tried Costco for flowers. As for local florists, I've found them to be ridiculously expensive and the flowers don't last long. They look somewhere between good-to-great on V-Day and they're dead within 2 days later. So, I've switched to mail order flowers.
IMO this group of threads is a must-read for anyone with a passion for customer service.
 
Ya know...

...this is depressing. We only had 7 complaints on over 700 orders delivered 2.12 through 2.14. 7.... two of those LEGIT. quality issues, 4 wire out issues and 1 non-delivery (idiot gave us her OLD work address...).

Not braggin' here, but making a STATEMENT. We provide great product, great service, and a great experience when ordering from us (as in all of us REAL florists). I guess what I am saying is that it is such a shame that these crappy companies are destroying the industry with cheap, gimmick offers, and crappy product and service. Reading the posts that Cathy pulled up is really sad.


- Herb
 
Just remember, that for the few bad orders, there were thousands more that were happy.

Walmart may drive the final coffin nail in FTD.

Walmart dictates to their vendors, no surprise there.

I have a hypothesis and have no basis of fact for what I am about to say, other than it seems reasonable.

Walmart buys from vendors with Brand name recogintion. i.e Winchester ammunition, GE light bulbs, Wrangler jeans, etc.

Walmart also dictates what they will pay for a particular product.

Since GE and other vendors are in business to make money, are they producing an inferior product to supply Walmart in order to make money?

FTD maybe just another another victim of WalMart merchandising.

Unfortunately, FTD is at a disadvantage because they supply a perishable product to WalMart while the others can be inventoried.

Just an observation and again I have no facts to back this thesis.

Joe
 
fatwallet ad for realflorists?

I do not know if this is possible, but...

mlou and Boss design an ad for fatwallet.com that we realflorists sign up to participate in such as our own realflorist special :

ie: $10 on $50 order (or some other offer) off flower order from a "real florist" and post the links for the fatwallet customers to click thru to those of us realflorist who sign up? -if cannot clickthru then a way for the fw people to call our 800's and identify themselves as fw viewers and ask for the specials for them- Would position us w/ the gatherers!

I can see it now.. comments such as

"realflorist live up to my expectations!!...I'm never going to order through a 3rd party flower vendor again!"


Boss, you all ready working on this? I know you have something up your sleeve.
 
you KNOW Joe.....

Joe Mioux said:
Just remember, that for the few bad orders, there were thousands more that were happy.

Walmart may drive the final coffin nail in FTD.

Walmart dictates to their vendors, no surprise there.

I have a hypothesis and have no basis of fact for what I am about to say, other than it seems reasonable.

Walmart buys from vendors with Brand name recogintion. i.e Winchester ammunition, GE light bulbs, Wrangler jeans, etc.

Walmart also dictates what they will pay for a particular product.

Since GE and other vendors are in business to make money, are they producing an inferior product to supply Walmart in order to make money?

FTD maybe just another another victim of WalMart merchandising.

Unfortunately, FTD is at a disadvantage because they supply a perishable product to WalMart while the others can be inventoried.

Just an observation and again I have no facts to back this thesis.

Joe

You and I think the same way on this particular avenue!!
FTD'S foray into the WalMart buying/value/resale model sure looks like the FINAL episode on it's market expansion dreams!!
FTD's shares continue to devalue, there is fear in FTD's marketing department, the DOT.COM site continues to underperform at the perishable level, FTD's credibility is very much on a very sharp edge, and to this end, it MAY WELL BEE. the demise of this once proud, once leading "system lord" in our floral universe!
My own belief is that FTD will re-invent itself, when it realizes that REAL FLORISTS have been the "answer" to their downfall, and may the "answer" to their resurrection, on OUR TERMS this time around!!
As YOU, somehow this is MY OPINION, however, those of you that are gonna take a shot at me...here's your chance
 
FTD Group, Inc. Reports Approximately 14% Growth in Valentine's Day Orders for the Consumer Business Segment over the Prior Year

its Consumer Business segment experienced an increase of approximately 14% in total orders of flowers and specialty gifts this Valentine's Day season (February 1-15, 2006), compared to the same period of the prior year.

Interesting that they keep featuring EBITDA numbers (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization.) Regardless of how much adding in those expenses inflates the numbers, FTD is still projecting net earnings of $23M or about 5% of gross sales for FY '06. Interest expense alone is $18.5M.

With the fee increases (2% on Bloomnet members, directory) and the sales increase, this quarter should look better than the last one. Possible negatives would be a continued decline in florist services income and bad debt write-offs.
 
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Joe Mioux said:
Just remember, that for the few bad orders, there were thousands more that were happy.

Walmart may drive the final coffin nail in FTD.

Walmart dictates to their vendors, no surprise there.

I have a hypothesis and have no basis of fact for what I am about to say, other than it seems reasonable.

Walmart buys from vendors with Brand name recogintion. i.e Winchester ammunition, GE light bulbs, Wrangler jeans, etc.

Walmart also dictates what they will pay for a particular product.

Since GE and other vendors are in business to make money, are they producing an inferior product to supply Walmart in order to make money?

FTD maybe just another another victim of WalMart merchandising.

Unfortunately, FTD is at a disadvantage because they supply a perishable product to WalMart while the others can be inventoried.

Just an observation and again I have no facts to back this thesis.

Joe
Same holds true with Home Depot, seee a trend ?
 
Then WHY do...

...people keep shopping there?

Here's one reason - and I've heard it MANY times...

"They are a bonus partner with my Trip Reward card, so that is an added incentive to stay with them."

(from one of the ratings comments...)

Same goes w/ frequent flyer miles, etc....
No wonder since nearly every credit card bill comes with a flower offer from some OG these days - usually coupled with some freq. flyer miles...

- H
 
PhillyPhlorist said:
Same goes w/ frequent flyer miles, - H
Had one at VD, that had already placed his order, then called back to ask bout miles, as he was telling his partner about what he paid (50+dc+tx) for his DZ roses...

I told him sorry, that I was not big enuf to offer miles, and that if he wanted to place his order on Da Dot and get the miles I understood, but that he should understand, that FTD will be charging him $11.99 for the privledge to use their site, and then they would ship the flowers IN A BOX...with the vase in a box, and that he'd have to add his own water and creative touch....

He said thanks, and did not change his order, bout an hour later, his partner called and ordered as well...it's all about spreading the word....
 
Wire Services and Brand You

Dazeal said:
Amen. And I would tell florists to take off their FTD sticker off their store door, because of what this consumer said. Well unless you want to brand your store as an FTD store that does poor quality.

I have about 3-5% of my customers local and non-local say "Please don't make it FTD". So once again I speak about a stigma in the community growing every day that people associate flowers with a commodity or also known as a cookie cutter design. Many people here have said, sell the emotion, that is the future, but I wonder if these florists here who agree with that statement still have their FTD stickers and do the generic commodity type designs?

I just read a book called, "Who moved my Cheese?" ($3 on Ebay). It took me about an hour and a half to read and is 70 pages long with big font and a few pics. It's a parable about change and the fear of change. It talks about if you don't change, you become extinct, but has a few twists. It talks about waiting too long, will be that much harder to make the change. The book to me, like most of you, was a no-brainer, but helped me to remember to always re-define myself and my business. The cool thing is, the "cheese", in this book, can represent anything you want, weather it be spiritual, wanting to exercise more, relationships, etc... To me, and most of you, the cheese is seeing our business do better. I have a sister inlaw who is having a hard time making a decision on leaving her boy friend, I'm going to pass the book onto her in hopes to make a difference.
We long ago stopped putting wire service decals on vans and on the store. We are emphasizing brand Parker's Flowers and are constantly reinventing ourselves. Our shop has been in existence since 1951 but has changed quite a little bit since then. We are constantly learning new design techniques through local wholesaler design shows and Iowa Florist Association Design Shows. If we are to survive in the future we have to do designs that are not cookie cutter designs. Unfortunately people still want us to FTD an order. However, we just inform them we dropped the big 2 because their fees were way out of line. We use Independent Florist Association and send orders using FASNET. It is a plain jane wire service that doesn't charge big fees, we get nationwide coverage and only pay $20 a month when we use them. That is the type of wire service small town florists can afford. Of course you use a credit card to pay the filling florist. By being web based, you can get the orders phoned out quickly to the filling florist versus having a busy signal on a regular phone.
 
BOSS said:
Had one at VD, that had already placed his order, then called back to ask bout miles, as he was telling his partner about what he paid (50+dc+tx) for his DZ roses...

I told him sorry, that I was not big enuf to offer miles, and that if he wanted to place his order on Da Dot and get the miles I understood, but that he should understand, that FTD will be charging him $11.99 for the privledge to use their site, and then they would ship the flowers IN A BOX...with the vase in a box, and that he'd have to add his own water and creative touch....

He said thanks, and did not change his order, bout an hour later, his partner called and ordered as well...it's all about spreading the word....

I've always said that pointing out the "privilage Fee" would be a killer for them.
 
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