Wire Services Losing members but Make Out on orders

.........Mark is absolutely correct, however, size aside, if EVERYONE could just simply "ignore" the profit side of sending orders, even for ONE holiday season, and offer phone numbers to their clients, as we ALSO do in many cases, the WS milkers, would IMMEDIATELY "notice".....

I would like to offer another opinion:

Last year we sent 253 orders out of town for the the month of December. How can I ignore that!!!.......It's a service issue for me, when Mrs. Smith or our corporate accounts call with multiple orders, we can't just say "hang on, I'll give you some numbers to call". That's 20K worth of business and then another $7.95 per. order (wire service fee) of revenue for our store. I worked my butt off builidng that "service level". I have 7 employees that depend on me making a profit. Then, how would I be compensated for that 2 minutes I'm on the phone referring them out, I would be losing money.

What I do agree with is the "deception" issue. Three years ago our store appeared in an Orlando publication. Another YP book rep. (thought he was doing me a favor). I issued a certified letter to the YP vendor, then let all the florists and wholesalers that I know, that we DO NOT SERVICE ORLANDO. For a year anytime a call came in, we gave them numbers of shops. If I get a call from soneone in another city wanting to send back to their city, then I do that. I do not believe that florists should advertise in any market but where they are in (bricks and mortar).
 
I would like to offer another opinion:

Last year we sent 253 orders out of town for the the month of December. How can I ignore that!!!.......It's a service issue for me, when Mrs. Smith or our corporate accounts call with multiple orders, we can't just say "hang on, I'll give you some numbers to call". That's 20K worth of business and then another $7.95 per. order (wire service fee) of revenue for our store. I worked my butt off builidng that "service level". I have 7 employees that depend on me making a profit. Then, how would I be compensated for that 2 minutes I'm on the phone referring them out, I would be losing money.

What I do agree with is the "deception" issue. Three years ago our store appeared in an Orlando publication. Another YP book rep. (thought he was doing me a favor). I issued a certified letter to the YP vendor, then let all the florists and wholesalers that I know, that we DO NOT SERVICE ORLANDO. For a year anytime a call came in, we gave them numbers of shops. If I get a call from soneone in another city wanting to send back to their city, then I do that. I do not believe that florists should advertise in any market but where they are in (bricks and mortar).

you are one of those shops that "chooses" to do nothing on a global scale.....in favour of non sacrifice of internal profit!
This is NOT "wrong" by any means, but, true to form, very few shops are willing to put THEIR necks out, to try and restore some sanity to BOTH the sending AND receiving side as Oberer's has, and as Mark and I have "chosen" to do!
I have cultivated MANY new customers in this fashion, and they ALL appreciate the extra "service" at NO cost to them!
I am finding GREAT DIFFICULTY finding quality fill shops "outside" my "trust list".....
 
Ok, I understand the position of you guys, but unless I missed a post, Oberer's position was that he does not fill dot.coms, does do florist to florist if they meet his standards. I get that. He does send orders out i n generic guidlines, I get that.

What I don't get is, what about the 600 million dollars worth of flowers purchased by comsumers (who most really don't understand the issue), what about them. They spend their money (yes to people other than us) who do advertise with deceptive tactics, but they (consumers) will find another gift giving alternative if the flower - path does not work. We've loset over a billion dollars in flowers pruchases to others and more are in line to take more business away. They are the one's who suffer, when the ship sinks, we'll be waving from the bow. So I think we the (industry stands to lose alot this holiday escpecially if we take our ball and go home). We better have our A game or it's game over.......................as we know it.
 
Ok, I understand the position of you guys, but unless I missed a post, Oberer's position was that he does not fill dot.coms, does do florist to florist if they meet his standards. I get that. He does send orders out i n generic guidlines, I get that.

What I don't get is, what about the 600 million dollars worth of flowers purchased by comsumers (who most really don't understand the issue), what about them. They spend their money (yes to people other than us) who do advertise with deceptive tactics, but they (consumers) will find another gift giving alternative if the flower - path does not work. We've loset over a billion dollars in flowers pruchases to others and more are in line to take more business away. They are the one's who suffer, when the ship sinks, we'll be waving from the bow. So I think we the (industry stands to lose alot this holiday escpecially if we take our ball and go home). We better have our A game or it's game over.......................as we know it.

and "we" lost it "how"??...that is what this is all about....
 
Probably more than you want to hear, but here goes:

My answer as to how we lost isn't popular, but I feel that me along with the 25,000 other florists voted in the mid 90's to sell our shares of FTD was a big "bobo" for florists. A company owned by us, the largest and only delivery platform as we know it, the largest source code that we knew at the time and one of largest "networks" of business as we knew it. We we're all "itching" because our fees we're going up to $49.95 a month from $29.95 a month. Wow, so alot of florists cashed out with big checks as I did. FTD had it's problems, and the sale was manipulated as it was to our benefit. At Southern retail I talked to the incoming President of FTD he agreed but, at least it was onwed by us. Now we own nothing..............You could see the handwritting on the wall of what was coming, but I and others we're to small or as Rob says "didn't have enough clout" at the time to do anything about. So alot evolved. Then a very smart man formed a partnership with AOL and that will go down in marketing history as to one of the great success/partnerships ever. The marketing guru that I follow (was his marketing guy for 5 years starting in the late 90's), the rest is history. Their marketing plan in a nutshell, "let no customer ever leave, do what it takes to keep them". (LCV) Lifetime Cleint Value............a term that florist only have recently become familar with. They did that very well for many years, but now have slipped on a banana peel and real scratching their heads as the others are. With FTD being sold, there we're several groups out there (most with industry knowledge, not experience) who knew that 3 florist's can't agree on anything as a group, so they began to jump into the dropship market and one of them had began to create their own network. In Dallas, FTD told all of us "we have to follow them to protect you guys" (yeah right) so they did. They "all" saw such huge numbers of growth, that they added same day flowers (FTD) already had and put together most low-end budget arrangements for same day. Now, through the years they (OG and WS) have discovered that the consumers aren't really that smart as a whole (unless they are educated on an issue), so they can be pulled up or down the economic ladder and then drug by the nose to an area where "good is good enough" like Cathy put in another post. But you have to have a better than good or customers wont' be back, OG are still at "good is good enough". They can't offer anything past, I'll take your order, then find someone (yes, me sometimes) to fill it. We've been brought breakfast in bed for 90 years in the industry, now we have to make our own breakfast and some are not to happy. I don't focus on the what if's, I try not to look in the rear-view mirror.

So with that being said, "my focus is on today's sales" and what we as a group or me as a locally owned florist do to help the business. I know alot don't agree, but education is the key. When you tell someone even if their not the sharpest knife in the drawer, "your paying more than you need to pay for something", sooner or later they will pay attention to you. The WS and Og's are sracthing their heads to, their sales are down, people are starting to revolt, I call it the Floral Revolution. They aren't that smart, I talk to them almost every day, they are just doing what we should have been doing 10 years ago............


In my opinion the main focus, needs to be the "consumer, consumer, consumer"
 
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Rick, First of all thanks for the book...

Second, I just had a conversation with my husband about what a boo boo it was for florists to give up their ownership in FTD..It really did create the no holds barred conflict of interests situation we have today...I think that the florists owned part of FTd kept a lid on how much all of them could go up on membership....they knew that we would pay as much as we could to keep them because we knew nothing else and convinced the sale of ftd, once sold they were free from votes and such to do what they wanted and charge what they wanted, they were also free to go after our cutomers with agressive marketing and also made it possible for TF and 800 to do the same, it gave all of them the power to compete with each other and forget about us....with FTD #1 and we(the florists) have some say on what we wanted from them, they kept the prices of all the others down....now they don't care until none of us can afford it and they have no membership, but they will always keep tactics in place for keeping enough membership so they won't die....unfortunately most florists have no idea how big business works and have very little forward vision into their own businesses so easily they are persueded to make decisions that will hurt them...it is not that they are bad business people, they just have very little knowledge outside of what they know, their own business...many don't even know anything about their own businesses...

I learned within a few months of owning my own shop that I better get an idea of how real businesses run and work if I wanted to grow and have been learning ever since...and learning about how past florist history affected my business today so that I could possibly avoid the pitfalls later that will happen with bad decisions...I think that florists in crisis now are learning that they must make decisions today based on what they know and what may happen, and are learning that what they decide today may affect them and their business a decade from now and I think this is overwhelming and paralyzing for some, most flowershops were run from one holiday to the next and when we were the only game in town that worked, but now we need all the analytics we can get just to forcast a holiday and we need to have a years worth of planning just to market what we do, most of the time we are a day late and adollar short because of the ways we have always marketed ourselves, I am recognizing this in my business, I am stretched to the point of exhaustion thinking about christmas at prom time and worrying about ,my valentine marketing at christmas and wondering how much of the money I am making today will be left to do this, then if the holiday doesn't go as planned i am thrown right back into half assed planning last minute for the upcoming holiday and all that pre planning was for nothing and sits hoping for enough money to do it right at another time...

I know how my business should run, I know how I want to run my business, I know a whole lot, but unfortunately my cash flow ultimately rules how I go aout surviving to the next holiday...I am just hoping this is normal of a new business and that over time I will make enough to run things the way I want to and I am just not there yet...and I do hope that I am not one of those florists still waiting for that to happen after 25 years of trying....I just wonder when is it time to hang it up and to stop trying so hard...I am all for chasing a dream and going after a goal, but I don't want to chase and go after something unattainable and practice an effort in futility...and sometimes the state of this industry seems like just that...and effort in futility, for business owners anyway...
 
we can't just say "hang on, I'll give you some numbers to call".
I do......

253 for December's not bad... we used to do7-800 for the month... yes, it's lost profit... I understand that part very well... not everyone can do as I do, nor should they. Do what's right for you! But I do believe that someday order transfer will be a thing of the past.
 
I do......

253 for December's not bad... we used to do7-800 for the month... yes, it's lost profit... I understand that part very well... not everyone can do as I do, nor should they. Do what's right for you! But I do believe that someday order transfer will be a thing of the past.

Actually, I'm NOT sure you should "wish" for that ending!!
 
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I learned within a few months of owning my own shop that I better get an idea of how real businesses run and work if I wanted to grow and have been learning ever since...and learning about how past florist history affected my business today so that I could possibly avoid the pitfalls later that will happen with bad decisions.......................but now we need all the analytics we can get just to forcast a holiday and we need to have a years worth of planning just to market what we do, most of the time we are a day late and adollar short because of the ways we have always marketed ourselves, I am recognizing this in my business, I am stretched to the point of exhaustion thinking about christmas at prom time and worrying about ,my valentine marketing at christmas and wondering how much of the money I am making today will be left to do this.............................
I just wonder when is it time to hang it up and to stop trying so hard...I am all for chasing a dream and going after a goal, but I don't want to chase and go after something unattainable and practice an effort in futility...and sometimes the state of this industry seems like just that...and effort in futility, for business owners anyway...


Trust me, you're not the only one who feels this from time to time. I have to say that is has to be about the numbers. The book might help you, I got a few advance copies so I sent one out to all who registered for the bootcamp (that we're working to re-schedule). Here's a tip for Christmas if you want it or anyone else................

Step #1: Run a list of all who have bought from you within the last 3 years. Draft a letter (will send you one of mine) that reads like you write here, be yourself and please don't be boring, have some fun. Hi this Lori from "your shop" and I'm writing to let you know that I appreciate that you bought from us in 200?....or past years and I would like to offer my services to you. Include in the letter all your sales paths, phone, email and website. Mail letters around Dec. 8th. Put in there if you call by Dec 15th, I will "personally" upgrade your peice. Don't be afraid to be current tell people, I know times are tough, so you accomodate all budgets. If there's any on the lists that have bought 2 out 3, write personal note on it. One year I had a kindergarden class draw on mine.

Step #2: Using Mircosoft mail merge, imput the data so you can track who's buying. On Dec 17th (exactly that day), mail to the list again (people who've not bought) and put the header as "Postal Servcie says "No" but Lori say yes !!! Explain in laymans terms that the postal service can't send gifts as general postage but you still can send flowers and explain the dangers of using an OG, I even give a desrciption of what they are. (without a name). Tell them if they don't use you, then talk to a "real florists". My definition of a real florist is B & M, order taken and del. out of same company/physical location.

Step #3: Have a way to track the letters, I use "this is Rick's ho, ho ho, offer". Last year they had to sing jingle bells to me or clerks on the phone. (Clerks weren't to happy). In this second letter, drive as much traffic to the web address as possible. Tell them several times that, I'm here for your 24 hours a day for them at your website. The OG follow the same schedule as us, they get really busy, so try to steal some of it away.

Step #4: Do email blast the night of Monday Dec. 20th (my birthday) and again on Dec 22nd, at 9:09 PM, list title as "A gift from Lori at Affairs to Remember". Drive them to your home page and put a "by here button".......average arrangement with nice price. My price point will be 39.99 with a $10 upgrade, plus delivery charges. Why 39.99 ( I think that will be the average last minute buyers price this year). I will also put all the web buyers in for a drawing that I haven't determined. Last year it was an Outback gift card. For best results it takes 3 holdiay cycles of all the above. But you will see some on your first spin, depending how manys on your list, this should be $200 - $300 dollars. Your customer will want this to be repeated every holiday, because you're now thinking for you. OG will be sending in the late evening (10 - 11) so you will be them to the inbox if your competing by doing earlier. Others on here have suggested early in the morning, you make the call on that. We all have customers who "aren't loyal" and will be all over the place. The later it gets the more the "panic buyers" come out, some will buy at pure sight or what they think mom, sis, brother, dad, girlfriend/wife or both will like.

In all my letters and emails, I also tell people that I'm a drop center for varuious charity's and accepts gifts up till Dec. 23rd. I usually work with 2 or 3. This year our chruch is doing a secret Santa, for out of work single Mom's. Let your community and your "customers" see that you put them first, then they will put you first..............................

I def. talked to much for today................later