A Gay Bishop?????
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WHY?
Were all scrambling in this America wondering what is ?WRONG? and to have a SLAP IN THE FACE of the BIBLE?.
BE GAY ALL YOU WANT! but DON'T bring that CRAP on to a BROTHER who DOESN'T WANT IT.
Teach your KIDS, GODS WILL, not someone who thinks HIS WAY is the proper WAY in TODAY'S WORLD .
What is the proper way? I don't know anymore in 2003 but I would hope it's not what I have seen on the local NEWS.
If so...Bloomz will you be MY WIFE? LOL! NOT!
Were all scrambling in this America wondering what is ?WRONG? and to have a SLAP IN THE FACE of the BIBLE?.
BE GAY ALL YOU WANT! but DON'T bring that CRAP on to a BROTHER who DOESN'T WANT IT.
Teach your KIDS, GODS WILL, not someone who thinks HIS WAY is the proper WAY in TODAY'S WORLD .
What is the proper way? I don't know anymore in 2003 but I would hope it's not what I have seen on the local NEWS.
If so...Bloomz will you be MY WIFE? LOL! NOT!
Re: WHY?
HHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. **** Blue that was the funniest line I've read this week. You know we could arrange the wedding here in Canada. :beer
With all the same-sex marriages happening, something makes me wonder, and that's what if the happy couple decides to seek a divorce? If one partner is American and the other Canadian, the American partner would have to move to Canada to wait while the divorce court process's the petition to dissolve the marriage.
HHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. **** Blue that was the funniest line I've read this week. You know we could arrange the wedding here in Canada. :beer
With all the same-sex marriages happening, something makes me wonder, and that's what if the happy couple decides to seek a divorce? If one partner is American and the other Canadian, the American partner would have to move to Canada to wait while the divorce court process's the petition to dissolve the marriage.
BOSS
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Another can of worm just opened up.
Don't you think there is many more priest or nuns that can be gay and we don't even know about. Hos about police officers, banks, a whole bunch could be visiting your shop and you don't even know about and they probably don't even make a pass at you. I know that the Bible says that homosexual is bad, but I also believe that are people who has their rights as long as they don't push it on someone who doesnt want it. What I am saying he didnt become gay overnight and I truly believe that this happens dues to the conception of two people and the in balance of chemicals in the body that makes them gay.
They are humans and I will support them .
You never know who you are talking to in this chat room andmaybe one day he or she can save your life.
I don't think this bishop will promote his lifestyle to his congregation. How about those priest, ministers etc that preyed on kids and abused them???? THat for me is a lot worse than being a gay Bishop.
Luc
Don't you think there is many more priest or nuns that can be gay and we don't even know about. Hos about police officers, banks, a whole bunch could be visiting your shop and you don't even know about and they probably don't even make a pass at you. I know that the Bible says that homosexual is bad, but I also believe that are people who has their rights as long as they don't push it on someone who doesnt want it. What I am saying he didnt become gay overnight and I truly believe that this happens dues to the conception of two people and the in balance of chemicals in the body that makes them gay.
They are humans and I will support them .
You never know who you are talking to in this chat room andmaybe one day he or she can save your life.
I don't think this bishop will promote his lifestyle to his congregation. How about those priest, ministers etc that preyed on kids and abused them???? THat for me is a lot worse than being a gay Bishop.
Luc
Audra
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I'm with Luc and V.
I believe that my Creator made people with freedom to live life as we need. I refuse to believe that the gracious Creator would punish anyone for living their life as they do.
If you believe that the teachings of Christ, that the primary commandment is to love oneself and our brethern, then this conversation is incidental. If Christ can forgive adultery, murder, and a host of other 'sins', if He consorted with lepers and whores and those deemed the lowest of the low, who are we to judge anyone's actions? Judge the man, not the man's preferences.
Audra
I believe that my Creator made people with freedom to live life as we need. I refuse to believe that the gracious Creator would punish anyone for living their life as they do.
If you believe that the teachings of Christ, that the primary commandment is to love oneself and our brethern, then this conversation is incidental. If Christ can forgive adultery, murder, and a host of other 'sins', if He consorted with lepers and whores and those deemed the lowest of the low, who are we to judge anyone's actions? Judge the man, not the man's preferences.
Audra
Quite true, Jesus did associate with the outcasts of society ... but not to encourage or condone their behaviour.
Along with the forgiveness of sins, He commanded "Sin no more." In love, He commanded them to turn from unnatural and harmful lifestyles and accept the perfect instruction of God the Father. The Bible is quite clear that homosexual BEHAVIOUR is sinful, *however* BEING gay is not (important distinction).
Both homosexual and straight people are warned to control lustful thoughts and actions.
Further thoughts I neglected to mention:
In following Jesus' example, a person's sexual preferences should not dictate their value. All are people, and thus precious to God; and deserving our equal respect & love as people.
I think natural distinctions have to be made between a person's rights and value, and having them in certain roles or offices. Naturally, an institution based on the Word of God should have issues with granting authority to any person who flagrantly violates the very doctrines the church is committed to upholding. The examples are many, not just the issue at hand.
In the past 25 years in this business I have encountered many gays , from co-workers ,to a couple of guys who run a local bed & breakfast, even one of my buddies from high school has come out the closet , so what , big deal, no harm to me , as long as they aren't pedophiles , who should care what they do in the privacy of their own homes. Blue, if the Catholic church has been a refuge for homosexuals from its inception and has been open knowledge for a long long time, even if it gets denied by the moronic hierarchy of Rome, how can you get so beat up over someone who is openly gay and has been for years , if he has risen in the church it is because of his ability to lead his congregation and not because of his sexual orientation, get over it .
And down here in Newfoundland we have had 20 years of sexual peditation by the clergy on kids come up and bite us on the ass. Many people have had their lives ruined by the conduct of the chuches and the ability to have it covered up by governments. Even now most Churches in Canada are facing bankruptcy over compensations they have to pay out to its victims, sexual and residents of schools run by the churches. You Americans have just opened this can of worms recently.
Yes to put a business spin on it, think of the market for flowers and everything for some of the weddings, I've read where some wedding planners are making some very good money for putting together some of the weddings and also most gay couples have a very large disposable income to spend.
Many many years ago a former Canadian wholesaler called Dales' had a man who worked there as a fresh cut salesperson and he was one of the most helpful, knowledgeable people in the wholesale trade I ever knew (some sales people today could take lessons from the guy) some people might know who I'm speaking about.
Not in all the years I knew him did he ever try to pick me up, or try to promote gay rights to me, sadly he passed away from AIDS, and worked almost right up to 6 months before he died. A classy hard working guy.
Many many years ago a former Canadian wholesaler called Dales' had a man who worked there as a fresh cut salesperson and he was one of the most helpful, knowledgeable people in the wholesale trade I ever knew (some sales people today could take lessons from the guy) some people might know who I'm speaking about.
Not in all the years I knew him did he ever try to pick me up, or try to promote gay rights to me, sadly he passed away from AIDS, and worked almost right up to 6 months before he died. A classy hard working guy.
Why do we have to castigate and revile anything or anyone who is "different" from us? It's something I have never understood.
I suppose in someone's perfect world there would be no gays, blacks, Jews, natives, asians etc...hmmmm I do believe that's been tried before.
I believe in the basic goodness of humanity...always have, always will. I also believe that IF I went to church again, I would rather Bishop Robinson be the minister than countless others who have functioned under the auspices of the Catholic church.
My church is the world around me...and I thank God each day for putting me here.
V
I suppose in someone's perfect world there would be no gays, blacks, Jews, natives, asians etc...hmmmm I do believe that's been tried before.
I believe in the basic goodness of humanity...always have, always will. I also believe that IF I went to church again, I would rather Bishop Robinson be the minister than countless others who have functioned under the auspices of the Catholic church.
My church is the world around me...and I thank God each day for putting me here.
V
Pardon ME sunny
If you think I'm getting in in uproar over this your DEAD WRONG.
Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh said "the Episcopal Church has divided itself from millions of Anglicans throughout the world.
This body willfully confirming the election of a person sexually active outside of holy matrimony has departed from the historic faith and order of Jesus Christ".
seems to me sunny, Duncan is getting in the uproar. JMHO
If you think I'm getting in in uproar over this your DEAD WRONG.
Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh said "the Episcopal Church has divided itself from millions of Anglicans throughout the world.
This body willfully confirming the election of a person sexually active outside of holy matrimony has departed from the historic faith and order of Jesus Christ".
seems to me sunny, Duncan is getting in the uproar. JMHO
Aren't you the one who quoted being gay is a slap in the face to the bible? If you aren't bent out of shape then why bring up the subject. Que sersa ?
I always find it interesting how quick people are to make reference to the bible when it comes to things that they do not agree with such as gays etc. yet they can be so quick to ignore the bible when it comes to supporting things like war.
After all the bible does not say "Though shalt not kill unless it is an Iraqi" or an "Arab" etc.
I actually stopped going to church for several years because I could not listen to anymore speeches about how we should be giving money to the church. In that case the pastor of our church was driving a new caddilac every year and had just bought a $600,000 home, while we were struggling to survive.
The pastor that brought me back to the church was gay. His sexual preference was none of my business. His teachings were what I went to church for. My wife and I have several gay friends some of the them couples that have been together for 25 or more years. Unlike most of the straight friends that I have who have been married several times each.
The bible also says that a woman that has been married and has been divorced shall never remarry for it is considered adultry. Why does that never come up in these conversations.
The teachings of Christ are love, tolerance, forgiveness. They are not - war when it suits you, judgement against others when it suits you, holding the bible up as a reference only when it suits you. If your going to qoute the bible and use it as a reference against people that you do not agree with, than you had better be living that perfect holy life. After all "let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone"
Jim
After all the bible does not say "Though shalt not kill unless it is an Iraqi" or an "Arab" etc.
I actually stopped going to church for several years because I could not listen to anymore speeches about how we should be giving money to the church. In that case the pastor of our church was driving a new caddilac every year and had just bought a $600,000 home, while we were struggling to survive.
The pastor that brought me back to the church was gay. His sexual preference was none of my business. His teachings were what I went to church for. My wife and I have several gay friends some of the them couples that have been together for 25 or more years. Unlike most of the straight friends that I have who have been married several times each.
The bible also says that a woman that has been married and has been divorced shall never remarry for it is considered adultry. Why does that never come up in these conversations.
The teachings of Christ are love, tolerance, forgiveness. They are not - war when it suits you, judgement against others when it suits you, holding the bible up as a reference only when it suits you. If your going to qoute the bible and use it as a reference against people that you do not agree with, than you had better be living that perfect holy life. After all "let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone"
Jim
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this is a VERY WEIRD thread....
the kind of thing, that pragmatistic dogma, that brutilizes all faiths, and all civilizations.
Being gay, is neither a "sickness" nor a "choice" and I personally know people on both sides of this division.
IF you believe GOD created man, then GOD also created homosexuals...IF you believe that the earth and man were created by "big bang", then homosexuality was part of the amoeba to man genome....
This issue of a bishop openly leading his congregation, as a homosexual human being, should be decided by HIS congregation, and he leads them VERY WELL!!
IF you beleive that GOD created MAN, then he ALSO created MY brother, and YOUR brother (non gender), and the "profession of leading worship, or floristry, then you must ponder that in ALL walks of life,and professions, there WILL BE ALL types of people!
The division of right and wrong is is NOT written in stone...not even in the TEN COMMANDMENTS....
We crucified Jesus, we crucified the "witches" of Salem, and now we MUST crucify a good bishop???...is THIS how far we've "advanced" in our fast and "modern" society??
My words to you all are THIS: sexual preferences have NOTHING to do with religion....
I think, the ire of MOST people, is having large numbers of "queers" shaking their butts in parades.....
Mike
the kind of thing, that pragmatistic dogma, that brutilizes all faiths, and all civilizations.
Being gay, is neither a "sickness" nor a "choice" and I personally know people on both sides of this division.
IF you believe GOD created man, then GOD also created homosexuals...IF you believe that the earth and man were created by "big bang", then homosexuality was part of the amoeba to man genome....
This issue of a bishop openly leading his congregation, as a homosexual human being, should be decided by HIS congregation, and he leads them VERY WELL!!
IF you beleive that GOD created MAN, then he ALSO created MY brother, and YOUR brother (non gender), and the "profession of leading worship, or floristry, then you must ponder that in ALL walks of life,and professions, there WILL BE ALL types of people!
The division of right and wrong is is NOT written in stone...not even in the TEN COMMANDMENTS....
We crucified Jesus, we crucified the "witches" of Salem, and now we MUST crucify a good bishop???...is THIS how far we've "advanced" in our fast and "modern" society??
My words to you all are THIS: sexual preferences have NOTHING to do with religion....
I think, the ire of MOST people, is having large numbers of "queers" shaking their butts in parades.....
Mike
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