Bbrookes second tier membership?

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The only thing I can say aside from all the comparing fees etc...they are by far the easiest folks to deal with, the orders are priced properly, there are never complaints on our work, we have recommended two other shops and they are happy, the network is growing, and we get paid promptly. Every month we get more orders...I think they will be a contender in the near future...I think they will stay purer so to speak than the other services...I hope so.
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Regarding BBrooks membership, Am I right in understanding that the filling florist of a BBRooks order actually gets a greater percentage of the total value of the order than with other wire services?

Also, going by the BBrooks website.......Am I understanding correctly that the average incoming order is quite a bit more than the average order of a typical WS and that the order has a lot more leeway in the flowers and containers than a typical wire service order?
 
Rick, my first order from them was 400 with an additional $ 25 for delivery I think...
the rest have been 75 plus a 15 del...the least we got was 65 for a small compact design and del added on.
One of the florist I recommend has a standing order of over 300 a month for one order...you can give me these all day till the cows come home!
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Perhaps I did not express the question right....

Lets take the 400 dollar order with 25 dollar delivery example....

If 800TFTD sent an order for that amount - 425.00 and BBrooks sent an order for the same 425.00 - Which wire service would give you the greatest percentage of the order?
 
1-800 has different commissions to different members, ranging from 73% to 69%. I believe the company generated orders go out at 71% to BloomNet members. If that's the case then here's how they stack up:

1-800 @ 71% - $425 X 71% = 301.80
1-800, TF & FTD @ 73% - $425 X 73% = 310.30 (also minus the $1.50 receiving fee) = $308.80
BB - $400 X 72% = 288.00 + $25 for delivery = $313.00


The difference at lower dollar amounts is more obvious. Here's an example using $75.

1-800 @ 71% - $75 X 71% = $53.30
1-800, TF & FTD @ 73% - $75 X 73% = 54.80 (also minus the $1.50 receiving fee) = $53.30
BB - $65 X 72% = $46.80 + $10 = $56.80 (Note: The minimum delivery charge between members is $10)

HTH
 
So, it seems that BBrooks is the overall best choice in the wire service arena juding by your examples Cathy.
 
Mark, the only thing that I might disagree with you on is that whenever BB needs to send an order out to a non BB -TF shop, the quality advantage that is promoted by BB is potentially compromised.

joe

Hence the name "second tier"?

So, it seems that BBrooks is the overall best choice in the wire service arena juding by your examples Cathy.

Unless you send more than you receive you mean?


Isn't semi-standard belief up in here that incoming is poison?

Is $3-4 "extra" ($4.20 on a $425 order? Seriously?) for the filler gonna make or break that deal?

Especially given the way less sending commissions and profits?

incoming has been analyzed, but not outgoing - which is a profit center to many of us.

What happens when one factors outgoing into the mix?

Without delving in to the numbers (hey I'm on vacation) - it looks to be a bust.

Profit is rather important to me...
 
Cathy and Rick, That math is correct if you are sending to another BB florist but it is wrong if that order is destined to a non BB affiliate, aka TF shop.

All incoming non-member BB orders, which I would say are the majority wind back up as a TF order, where BB collects the difference between the 16 pct and the 20 pct. In this case earns $21.

Would it be safe to say, you BB shops, that for every 10 order send you receive 1 order in? 5:1? 20:1?

Those ratios tell me something.

Again lets look at the $400 order with a $25 delivery. Sending florist sends it at 16 pct of $400 plus $25 (receives $64 in commission), but BB resends it for 20 pct of $425.

The sending shop already knows there is no BB shop in the recipients area so they know the $25 charge is going to be commissioned once BB retransmits the order through TF.

For many BB orders the receiving shop is going to get the TF price irregardless. the receiving shop gets $310.25, BB to TF,

So if a shop is both BB and TF, there is a disincentive to send via BB. The orders have to originate somewhere and that somewhere is at a flower shop. In this example the sending shop would earn $85 sending TF v $64 sending BB.

I doubt the sending shop is going to worry about the small revenue differences of the receiving shop.

With profit in mind, the sending florist should choose TF or FTD because they will receive the most revenue using those two vs BB.
 
My whole point in questioning is this......I know the wire services (BBrooks included) are geared to the SENDER. We know it is more profitable for the florist to SEND the order than to FILL the order.

My point was, using BBrooks....It seems to me that the FILLER florist has a little more dollars on their bottom line than the 800TFTD's.

Going by what I read in all these posts....related and not related to this particular thread......The ONLY WAY that the FILLER florist gets the maximum amount of dollars on an incoming order is by going DIRECT.

Or am I totally off base here and if I am.....HOW ???




Other than paperwork, the sending florist uses no INVENTORY ( flowers, containers, greens, etc ) to send that order, it is the FILLING florist who has to use his or her inventory ( actual product ). I want to make sure that I am getting the most money I can for the use of my product.
 
Isn't semi-standard belief up in here that incoming is poison?
Not from me. Delivering BBrooks incomings are like 'the old days' when shops could rotate in-house inventory and deliver signature designs instead of by-the-recipe, proprietary container, cookie cutter arrangements that could have come from almost anywhere.

Incomings really worked for us as promotional tools in those days since we could distinguish our work from other shops. We picked up some great accounts. But with most WS orders being controlled now by OGs, the opportunities to stand out by filling incomings, became fewer and fewer.
incoming has been analyzed, but not outgoing - which is a profit center to many of us.
Outgoings were mentioned here.
Again lets look at the $400 order with a $25 delivery. Sending florist sends it at 16 pct of $400 plus $25 (receives $64 in commission), but BB resends it for 20 pct of $425.
The florist would receive the $25 delivery charge only within the BBrooks network, since members can display their own fees to service an area. An order sent through the cross-service (non-BB) is a flat $10 delivery charge - which is higher than standard WS rates ( $7 for TF, $5-7 for FTD, $5-7 for 1-800) so that order would be placed for $410.

With profit in mind, the sending florist should choose TF or FTD because they will receive the most revenue using those two vs BB.
You guys forgot one other important and costly aspect of TF & FTD. To be displayed in the online database as a florist serving each zip code, or display a toll-free number, or including an expanded listing of services, a florist must pay $8/mo through TF per zip served. Not sure about FTD, but it's certainly not free.

In our case, with 7 zips in our town alone, and more than 30 in our immediate service area, the annual cost would be another $3,000. How many more orders does a shop need to fill to cover those fees, too?

BBrooks includes all that as a basic member service.
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Is $3-4 "extra" ($4.20 on a $425 order? Seriously?) for the filler gonna make or break that deal?
This is my last post on this topic. If you guys want to continue to pick apart each aspect of B Brooks and ignore the totality of the benefits cited (and this is the third, lengthy thread by the 3 same guys, so it's obvious nothing any of us can say to satisfy you three), you're on your own.

BBrooks is a very fine organization with integrity at its core. I and others choose to align our companies with a service that reflects our business goals and meets our needs - and they do this while maintaining honest business practices for all members to best help serve flower buying consumers.
 
OK, my last point.

I received a BB order last week for $85.

It was a TF order and delivery was not broken out.

I am going to receive 73 pct of $85.

also, this thread is about small market participation of BB not large markets where there are a lot of multiple zip codes within a city.

joe
 
Since it is about additional second tier memberships - I'm wondering why they are wanting to get the order into their own network and away from Teleflora's...
 
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Since it is about additional second tier memberships - I'm wondering why they are wanting to get the order into their own network and away from Teleflora's...
I'm wondering why Bbrooks is not here answering the questions...:gossip:
 
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