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  • Police View: Over 100,000 police officers delivered a message to Congress in 1990 stating that only 2% to 3% of crimes are committed using a so-called "assault weapon."

  • Florida study: In Florida, only 3.5% of the guns recovered by the police were guns that could loosely be defined as "assault weapons."

  • Virginia task force: A special task force on assault weapons found that only 2.8 percent of the homicides involved "assault-type weapons" during 1992.

  • Connecticut: The Department of Public Safety reports that only 1.79% of all confiscated firearms were "assault type weapons."

  • The New York Times reported that, "Although New Jersey's pioneering ban on military-style assault rifles was sold to the state as a crime-fighting measure, its impact on violence in the state . . . has been negligible, both sides agree." Moreover, New Jersey police statistics show that only .026 of 1 percent of all crimes involve "assault rifles."

  • Nationwide: The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in 1993 that violent criminals only carry or use a "military-type gun" in about one percent of the crimes nationwide.
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You can find stats that support either side of the argument, so that really isn't important. But...

I have a buddy (up north) who - during the assault rifle ban - bought 6 fully automatic Israeli Uzis. He is a gun collector. He bought them all, easily, in mid-daylight out of the back of a car.

I'm not even into guns (although I own one and my roommate has a handful) and I know people - who at any given time - I could go to in order to obtain one. Criminals, on the other hand have a virtual unlimited black market arsenal. Military grade equipment is available if you know the right people.

Most gun laws (and when I saw most I mean it doesn't make sense obviously for someone to own a .60 cal machine gun) don't do anything. The people who use them to kill aren't going down to your local academy and going through the already-lengthy process of buying and registering a gun.

The majority of crime are committed with firearms NOT obtained through the legal buying and registering.

The majority of "accidental" deaths are not by large caliber gun - but by hand guns - which will never be out lawed. Sorry.

Also, the majority of "accidental" deaths could of been prevented with a simple/proper trigger lock.

All gun laws do is make it a pain in the ass for hunters, hobbiest, and collectors to obtain guns legally.

Gun laws are no substitution for gun safety, good supervision, and some common sense.

If someone breaks into your house, go ahead and fend them off with a golf club. I'll stick to my guns.
 
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Not necessarily

Desperation is usually the end result of frayed or messed up circumstances.
When you are in a bad situation and there seems no way out or no alternative ones mind can become desperate.

If the circumstances where never desperate, etc, etc..


What seems really criminal to me, is I haven't been on vacation in over 2 1/2 years.
Our government leaders force it's citizens to bail out the wealthiest people in the USA, we are forced to pay BILLIONS of dollars to fix their mess, and they turn around and spend 400,000 in one weekend on a vacation. I don't care if they say they were conducting business, they didn't need to spend 400,000 to do it at a resort with spa treatments.

Talk about criminals.
 
shannonlovesflowers said:
Not necessarily

Desperation is usually the end result of frayed or messed up circumstances.
When you are in a bad situation and there seems no way out or no alternative ones mind can become desperate.

If the circumstances where never desperate, etc, etc..
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Exactly my point... anyone of us at any time could become that messed up person. Put a gun into the mix and a criminal has just been created.

Again - it could be a Temper or an ACT of desperation that becomes the only difference.
 
sfox said:
Australia has not only banned guns, but confiscated them. And from I am reading crimes committed with a gun are growing in that country.

The only people that are hurt are law a biding citizens. Bad guys never have and never will let a law get in the way of what they plan on doing.
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geebf said:
Australian law does dictate the one cannot own a Gun with out a licence. This came about after Martin Bryant went on a Massacre in Port Arthur. I am not aware that Crimes commited with firearms were/ are on the rise.
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Fox is fairly famous in these parts for knowing more about other countries than their residents, if you hadn't noticed that - ask him about Canada's Health care system.

geebf said:
Exactly my point... anyone of us at any time could become that messed up person. Put a gun into the mix and a criminal has just been created.

Again - it could be a Temper or an ACT of desperation that becomes the only difference.
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Throw a bit of alcohol into the mix and it becomes more volatile.

Toddxxx said:
Just saw this
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=655953

8 year old shot his own head off with an Uzi

Kind of hard to do that with a golf club

But "it's all legal and fun"
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Good reason for sticking with the golf clubs.

I'm glad my little boy will be raised in a gun free home.

I guess I'll take the chance of a home invasion over a possible a child's gun accident.
 
bloomz said:
I'm glad my little boy will be raised in a gun free home.

I guess I'll take the chance of a home invasion over a possible a child's gun accident.
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Me too, Bloomz. We've never had guns in the house, since we've had kids, and never would. Haven't there been a gazillion studies that show that you're many times more likely to shoot a family member than a bad guy, anyway? So that whole "I'm protecting my family" argument goes right out the window!:ar15
 
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Beth said:
Me too, Bloomz. We've never had guns in the house, since we've had kids, and never would. Haven't there been a gazillion studies that show that you're many times more likely to shoot a family member than a bad guy, anyway? So that whole "I'm protecting my family" argument goes right out the window!:ar15
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Very true


Guns should not be a Hobby, sport or something to collect.

I just cannot see the point as to why anyone would see them this way. They are a Weapon and thats it. Plain and simple. They maim and kill - Thats what they were designed and intended for.

I unfortunatly had a friend at school who accidently shot himself with his Father's "toy" and I won't forget it.

I usually didn't support our last Prime Minister who bought in the Gun laws but for this I did.

Having the need to own something that is intended for taking a life is not something that I can subscribe to.

As said previously My Family is from a Rural Background, I grew up with Weapons in the home. I realise that in this situation it is sort of necessary to own one. I also think that the world has changed since I was young and it it now more volitile and the population less likley to responsible in ownership.
 
Just something I want to add quickly...

My Hubbies work at the moment is right in the middle of a volitile situation that could very easily become out of hand.

He manages a Supermarket and this past weekend in the back carpark late at night was an incident where 3 People were murdered. These were bashing murders of 3 Indiginous members of the comminity by a Gang of Samoans Racial tensions in the area of which he works is now escalating.


So right now I'm thankful for our Gun laws. - at the very least I feel a little better with Darren going to work each day.

I know it can be argued that if Firearms were wanted they would and could be obtained ,however at least it is more difficult than it once was.
 
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The Second Amendment give me the right to own guns!

Guns do not kill people, people do!

It is the responsibility of the gun owner, to become educated, trained and worthy to enforce his/her Second Amendment right!

"Some" people should not be allowed to have guns!

And I would agree with Jon, alcohol, which either kills, or is involved in more deaths, crimes and issues than guns are, should be outlawed.
 
bloomz said:
I guess you could make that same case for Howitzers and Claymores too? He ll why not ricin and bio weapons too? They don't kill people either.

I'd bet the case can and will be argued if it wasn't a machine gun it wouldn't have gotten out of his control.

The war on drugs is not Obama's failure yet.

Fox your arguments are getting more and more desperate as the inevitable approaches.

Obama everything.

Obama... Jo Mama.

Is it time to pull the "Chicago is more dangerous than Bagdad again yet?"

Have I mentioned I'd like to see them ban alcohol also?

Either that or legalize the rest of the drugs.

Machine guns should be banned. Machine guns kill people. Assault weapons are designed for killing people. They should never be found outside of the battlefield.
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Right now the most dangerous place in our country is the LEFT COAST.
 
sfox said:
Right now the most dangerous place in our country is the LEFT COAST.
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I'd agree... the left coast of Manhattan, the left coast of Lake Michigan, the left coast of the Hudson and Potomac, the left coast of the Detroit River.....

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I'm with Shannon and Boss on this one.....it's bad enough that kids are killing themselves with drugs, and illegal weapons, and video games, and poor judgment, BUT, it really IS NOT the fault of the guns, traffickers, and developers, it's our VERY OWN fault, for NOT knowing when to say NO!!
IN a "controlled" environment, EVERY KID, should become accustomed, to how much damage a REAL GUN can do, and NOT a "virtual" one, or how much damage CAN BE done through non-recreational drug use, or how much time is LOST due to video game consoles, or when a parent or "guardian" says "NO!!...you cannot do those things".....
There is a case of a missing teen right now, in our area, whose parents put their feet DOWN, and told this dumarse, either put DOWN your XBOX, or we'll take it away from you!!
The kid decided that playing online virtual games, is MORE important, than having a comfy home to live in, and bolted.....dumarse is 15 years old...dumarse needs a good old whippin...dumarse had better be checked into a psycho ward when he is finally found.
And the parents are distraught....dumarse...and STUPID laws that protect dumarses.
 
Well, Thankfully, My Dad and Granddad taught me proper firearm responsibility. My firearms are actually in locked storage at the moment and I have at my house a non-lethal method of protection. I chose this because I love kids and I have several precious neices and nephews that come over to play with Uncle Ricky frequently. However, the key phrase here is RESPONSIBILITY !!!!!

Thankfully, we live in a relatively crime-free area. In the little 2 traffic light town I live in, there is more danger from young kids in hot rods racing down the road. Our last gun related crime was 4 or 5 years ago.
 
He manages a Supermarket and this past weekend in the back carpark late at night was an incident where 3 People were murdered. These were bashing murders of 3 Indiginous members of the comminity by a Gang of Samoans Racial tensions in the area of which he works is now escalating.


Are you saying these murders were committed without guns? And now hubby is carrying a gun to protect himself?

My point is, If someone wants to commit a crime, they don't need a gun to do it.

If someone wants to commit murder, they don't need a gun to do it.

If someone wants to commit suicide, they don't need a gun to do it.

These people who left their guns out and people were accidentally killed or hurt were negligent. The same as adults who do not lock up or teach their children not to steal their prescription drugs, or booze, or whatever.

The Number one killer of teenagers in America is car accidents.
When would be the right time to teach teens to drive? Or maybe out law cars.

Number one killer of adults is heart disease.
Shall we outlaw donuts and laziness? Or outlaw being fat?

Maybe we should outlaw being irresponsible.
 
Massachusetts has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and this happened while the 8 year old's dad and a gun instructor were both with him.

I am a supporter of gun control laws and I have an ongoing debate with my husband, brothers in law (one is ex-military and one is a cop) and my father in law over this. I don't think anyone's rights under the second amendment supercede another person's right to life, which is also covered in the Constitution.

I don't understand the need to own an assault rifle. What do you do with it? Hunt deer? I just don't get the appeal.
 
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Both my boys were raised in a house with guns.
We had a gun "room" where it was locked and nobody had the key but dad.
As they got older, the boys had their own guns for squirrel hunting, deer hunting etc. They took gun safety courses, they were taught the proper handling of their gun and they were never used without the supervision of an adult.
There were never "toy" guns given as birthday presents or gifts. It was clear in our house that guns were not toys and you NEVER, NEVER pointed a gun at anyone period. They were lectured even when they would bite their pieces of cheese into the shape of a gun.
With that being said I truly believe there is no use for the personal possession of an assault weapon of any kind.
This idiot father should have known the recoil on a MACHINE GUN was alot for an adult. I have handled firearms and the kickback on some of the handguns have been alot for a small woman, let alone a child.
What an awful tragedy.
 
OUr guns are in a locked cabinet....they are unloaded....The ammo is in a different location also locked...The clips are not in the guns....There is one gun in the house that is loaded and available for protection. It is the gun that my husband carries day to day...It gets locked in the safe on his dresser everyday when he takes it off. It is never left out..

I have a nephew that is 7 years old....He has been introduced to the gun cabinet, he has been shown what is in there, we believe that showing him will lessen the curiosity factor of a locked cabinet...There are a whole wealth of rules in my house about what can be touched by small fingers and what cannot be...and the rules are set and abided by or there are consequences....My husband is a collector of many things, and some are fragile...My nephew has had all privledges taken away for a months time for touching toys that he was not supposed to, he was even banned from being in my house once for disobeying a rule...We are very serious about the rules simply because we do have things that should not be touched by small people... If we let the toys slide on the rules what will keep the guns safe...

The keys for the gun cabinet and the safe are always on my husband's person....always...There is no room for error here, he always has them on him, so there will never be anyone else with them...He also will never take a drink if he is carrying...ever...ever..because guns and alcohol don't mix...He has a temper, but if someone screws with him and ar unarmed he would just as easily rip his arm off with his bare hands than go to jail for taking out his weapon and shooting an unarmed man...Temper and all he stays very level headed and decisive when heated, more than I can say for most...

I do not carry a gun for two reasons....

#1....I am not 100% sure that I could shoot someone if I did infact take out that weapon if I needed too....This to me says that I might be a person who get shot with there own weapon for over thinking...

#2 I am not 100% sure that I would not shoot someone for the wrong reasons...I am very, very emotional when threatened and have chased a thug or two out of stores I have been working in with lead pipe fully meaning that I would beat them senseless if provoked any further...If my body is threatened I get very very emotional and scary...Not sure that that is someone who needs a gun in there hand....I am not clear headed when upset and I don't think this is a person that should be making gun related decisions...

I am however trained in guns and could get my license to carry if I wished to..I know how to tell if a gun is loaded and what to do if it is. I know how to handle a gun properly, I know how to safely check to make sure a gun is unloaded if I should find one laying around(never would happen because it would be the end of guns in my house)...When I clean the gun cabinet, I check each gun to make sure ther is nothing that can go wrong and still lay them on the bed away from the living areas just in case...I also do this when there are no people anywhere in my house just me...

Should we out law guns, the only people that will have them is the outlaws...Right now, armed criminals have a chance of being shown up by the home dweller matching their weapon and end up dead...This makes many criminals think twice about having a weapon...when you do have a criminal with a weapon, they are usually very serious about having to use it...get rid of the element of surprise by not allowing regular people to own guns and most criminals will be using weapons because they have to fear the hone dweller less...no weapons in the home means they have the upper hand and gives all criminals the balls to now carry a weapon to terrify you with.. All of you that don't like guns can thank all of the legle gun owners of the world for keeping some of the home invasions of the world less terrifing because of the absence of weapons and the chance to get out of it alive because of the chance that there may be a gun owner living in that home...

I understand all of you who do not like guns and am not trying to change anyones mind...it is your perogative to like or not like anything you want, but please do not dictate to the rest of use how we should and should not be able to carry, possess and protect ourselves...It is for all of our safety to have the right to bare arms....and the responsibility to do it safely...
 
Did anyone else see that show on TV where the little kids were given a Gun Safety class (by a Professional) then they left them in a room with a hidden camera, where they "found" a gun in the toybox etc. And bullets elsewhere.

The kids, as certain as they were that they would "call an adult" and "never touch" "never point" and all that can be taught them, (I believe it was by a cop, but a professional firearms instructor of some time) were trying to figure out how to get the bullets inside the gun, pointing and firing at each other within minutes.

It was an eye opener, and these kids were totally "properly taught" minutes earlier.

It very effectively disproved all the "my kids have been taught about guns" stuff...and proved, given the opportunity, kids will do what kids will do, and they're curious, and no amount of training will keep them safe when confronted with a gun and no adult around.

I too had a childhood friend who told his brother to put one between his eyes (unloaded 22, of course) and he did, and died. Memory is vague on it, but I think these were early teens, not even little kids, and the gun was the parent's.

In my life, guns are bad mojo.

I hope Julian never gets exposed to them, even at his friend's house - nothing about me is fascinated with killing tools. (Yes I owned a shotgun when I was a teenager and hunted pheasants in SD)


Given I don't live on a farm, I see utterly no need to keep the tools to kill things around my life.

And I have no plans of ever taking my kid to a gun range, especially a machine gun shoot.

Second amendment be dammed - the tighty righties want to change the constitution to disallow same sex marriages? This 2nd amendment was fine and dandy and had its purpose back in the 1800's perhaps.

Mary is totally right above with this

I don't think anyone's rights under the second amendment supercede another person's right to life, which is also covered in the Constitution.
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So Obama can institute sweeping gun bans (how about all pistols without a license? Pistols are made for shooting people, not tin cans - tin cans are just used so you can get better at hitting people) and I'll be just fine with it - that's the kind of wacko left winger commie pinko liberal socialist bloomz is.

But I doubt he'll do it. "Popularity" supersedes good sense with the presiduntial sorts.

Wasn't it Dumbo who let assault weapons back on the scene a few years ago?

OK off to make the donuts.
 
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