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and since it ain't broke - I doubt I'll be fixing it very soon.....:bouncy:

You kidz forget another thing here - sometimes (often in my case) consumers are looking for something they've seen advertised.

If they find me I'm happy as a pig in @@@@.


I'll buy that JB - however

SOMETIMES + OFTEN = All the time ???? NOT.
 
and since it ain't broke - I doubt I'll be fixing it very soon.....:bouncy:

You kidz forget another thing here - sometimes (often in my case) consumers are looking for something they've seen advertised.

If they find me I'm happy as a pig in @@@@.

Bloomz,

Your showing why it's good for an ordergatherer to have wire service images and sell their products, but for regular florists this relationship, with the images being available to just about anyone, becomes an over crowded playing field.

If your the only one on your block selling Amway its an easy sell, but if everyone on the block is selling it, it becomes a tough sell. If florists are going to look for partners they should find partners that will provide some protection and exclusivity.

RC
 
Herb,

I have often wondered the same thing, "if you are going to be in a wire service, why aren't you taking advantage of it?"

In our state, we have no floral association so florists generally get together for TF shows (FTD nor 800 does them here). This is a great opportunity to network with other florists. It is especially beneficial when you are meeting other florists that are an hour from you. They will send their outgoing to you rather than to just anyone.

Additionally, at these shows, you will always learn something no matter how long you have been in the business

Also, TF has a scholarship program per state. They pick one person per year to send them to the TF education center. Regardless what you think about TF, their education center is fabulous. Their classes are great!!! One year, our state only had 8 applicants!!! For a trip worth over $1000, 8 applicants.

I'm not pro nor con about wire services. I think each shop needs to determine that for themselves. But I do agree that not taking advantage of something you are paying for doesn't make good business sense.
 
You kidz forget another thing here - sometimes (often in my case) consumers are looking for something they've seen advertised.

If they find me I'm happy as a pig in @@@@.

Just happened 15 minutes ago. Customer brought in a picture of the ONE TF Easter selection we chose NOT to carry this year...

http://www.teleflora.com/flowers/bouquet/telefloras-sacred-grace-bouquet-229191p.asp

She got the picket fence instead, b/c of the TF magazine advertisement. There still are a lot of little old ladies, NOT surfing the net.
 
Bloomz,

Your showing why it's good for an ordergatherer to have wire service images and sell their products, but for regular florists this relationship, with the images being available to just about anyone, becomes an over crowded playing field.

If your the only one on your block selling Amway its an easy sell, but if everyone on the block is selling it, it becomes a tough sell. If florists are going to look for partners they should find partners that will provide some protection and exclusivity.

RC

Sorry migo - I just don't believe that and have seen many many examples of substandard representations of work that just don't appeal.

The internet is a pretty big block anyway.

I strongly doubt there's one consumer in 1000 that thinks - "Hey these are the same things I've seen elsewhere".

They're looking for pretty flowers - they found pretty flowers. 98% don't care what your specialty is - they just want pretty flowers in a vase.

I hugely believe in florists that lack the capability of RC to take wonderful product pictures, use the great resources available from the wire services.

They don't create them because they don't sell you know.....

Having access to these is one of the biggest benefits of wire service membership IMNSHO
 
Sorry migo - I just don't believe that and have seen many many examples of substandard representations of work that just don't appeal.

The internet is a pretty big block anyway.

I strongly doubt there's one consumer in 1000 that thinks - "Hey these are the same things I've seen elsewhere".

They're looking for pretty flowers - they found pretty flowers. 98% don't care what your specialty is - they just want pretty flowers in a vase.

I hugely believe in florists that lack the capability of RC to take wonderful product pictures, use the great resources available from the wire services.

They don't create them because they don't sell you know.....

Having access to these is one of the biggest benefits of wire service membership IMNSHO



Bloomz, don't thing it is that spread apart. I have had a few people in 3 years question why many of the arrangements on the various shops sites are the same, but not enough to be brutally concerned...Most of them do find my custome page or flower done by us and see the difference there...many people just say they are ordering because they liked our site better than others, no real reason for it....I am finding through get clicky that many shoppers do read the about us page and get an idea if they like you through that...and I find that many people send through us because of our glowing recommendations on google, not sure if they even cared what was on the site, they just felt comfie knowing others liked what they bought...
 
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Sorry migo - I just don't believe that and have seen many many examples of substandard representations of work that just don't appeal.

The internet is a pretty big block anyway.

I strongly doubt there's one consumer in 1000 that thinks - "Hey these are the same things I've seen elsewhere".

They're looking for pretty flowers - they found pretty flowers. 98% don't care what your specialty is - they just want pretty flowers in a vase.

I hugely believe in florists that lack the capability of RC to take wonderful product pictures, use the great resources available from the wire services.

They don't create them because they don't sell you know.....

Having access to these is one of the biggest benefits of wire service membership IMNSHO


Disagree with you on this one my friend, as you already know ;)

I get at least 2 phone calls a day from people who are tired of looking at the same pics on every website- it's a fact....

I have also booked numerous wedding for that reason alone, too, all other sites have the same TF images, and their wedding sections are all exactly the same, I have booked 3 weddings in the last month who chose me because my site was unique ;)

I will also admit that the quality of my images are nowhere near as nice as WS images, but customers can see past that and see something real instead of the same old same old....JMO but WTFDIK
 
Master J, That is exactly the same reason I receive from brides. They do a ton of research on the web and my website is the only one in my area that doesn't have the same TF or FTD images. Brides really want to see YOUR work. Even if you have a WS website it is worth your while to put up your own wedding gallery of pics. I bet 50% of the brides I consult with mention the pics on my website vs. others in my area.
 
It all boils down to choice - if I, an educated paying customer have nothing to choose from but 800TFTD's and nothing original - Why should I spend my money with you?

Ricky - it ain't broke, I ain't fixing it and I don't give 2 shiznits what everybody else up in here thinks.

No need to rationalize, justify, explain or make my case. You're not a paying customer. You're a florist, and I don't do my work for other florists.

I gave what I consider to be good advice - everyone's free to take it or leave it.

Blunt but truthful, nothing insulting intended.

The whole point of this thread was to quit rehashing and rehashing and rehashing the same old arguments, and why are we doing exactly that?

I mean, I love a good argument, but.....
 
The reason florists are failing or succeeding go well beyond whether they use wire service images or unique images. Why does one shop succeed using "cookie cutters" and the other using these same images doesn't? Why do some shops succeed using unique images while others also using unique images fail miserably? Because the ones that succeed know how to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses and those that fail do the opposite.

Sometimes the only difference between success and failure is simply making what you have to work with better rather than different.
 
Why if you don't USE the wire service to enhance your business are you a MEMBER???
Herb -

From my dealings with shop owners, many made technology purchases based on the their incoming order ratios, cash flow, and base membership costs. These purchases or system upgrades may have been made just a year or two ago.

They're tied in with financing and tech support that marries them to a cheatin' spouse. ;)

In those short years, WSs have changed many, many terms:
- Higher membership costs
- Higher sending technology costs
- Higher per order receiving/reporting fees
- More penalties (equal sending, rapid response)

And incomings are lower overall, in part due to some "partners" marketing drop-ship flowers over local florist delivered gifts.

If they quit, the buyouts to get out of the marriage can be relatively high, and then the shops will be without tech support. They may or may not have the cash to go out and purchase new systems - ones they now realize to be vital to their business' performances.

So I charge you, DOO something about it! MAKE a wire service WORK for YOU or else you have NO ONE to blame but YOURSELF.
Divorce is a slow process (and perhaps costly in the near term) for a shop that has all their business eggs (CC clearings, website, POS) in one basket.

You are right in that simply complaining and doing nothing is futile.

We all have friends who constantly complain about their husbands/wives and then do nothing. We used to feel sorry about their situations, but since they've done nothing to change the circumstances over long periods of time, we tend to tune them out. It's clear, they just want to complain and we're tired of being drained from it.

But sometimes people just want to vent a little, and that's OK by me. That's what friends are for. :)
 
I've Got A Song I Ain't Got No Melody
How'm I Gonna Sing It With My Friends
I've Got A Song I Ain't Got No Melody
How'm I Gonna Sing It With My Friends

Will It Go Round In Circles
Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky
Will It Go Round In Circles
Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky

I've Got A Lil' Story Ain't Got No Moral
Let The Bad Guy Win Every Once In A While
I've Got A Lil' Story Ain't Got No Moral
Let The Bad Guy Win Every Once In A While

Will It Go Round In Circles
Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky
Will It Go Round In Circles
Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky

I've Got A Lil' Dance Ain't Got No Steps
I'm Gonna Let The Music Move Me Around
I've Got A Dance I Ain't Got No Steps
I'm Gonna Let The Music Move Me Around

Will It Go Round In Circles
Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky
Will It Go Round In Circles
Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky

I've Got A Song I Ain't Got No Melody
How'm I Gonna Sing It With My Friends
I've Got A Song I Ain't Got No Melody
How'm I Gonna Sing It With My Friends

Will It Go Round In Circles
Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky
Will It Go Round In Circles............



Ever since I started reading this thread, I had this song floating around in my head.

A song with no melody...... WS recipe designs? or WS-less flower shops attempting good design?

How'm I Gonna Sing It With My Friends Every flower shop that has a WS affiliation has to sing it their friends and every flower shop that doesn't have WS affiliation has to sing it their friends.

Will It Go Round In Circles that line needs no explanation.

Will It Fly High Like A Bird Up In The Sky I think we all can agree that we all need to learn our own respective market and use the resources that we avail to our selves.

For some of us, those pictures make sense..... why reinvent the wheel when the wheel is already 20 inch chromes setting on 265R60's?

However, that wheel may not make sense for other markets. In other markets it might mean a 14 inch steel rim with some non descript rubber.

If WS product sells for you use it. If it doesn't don't.

If you have customers who want to see a particular arrangement that will be sent across the country. Use WS images.

There is nothing wrong some standardization in our industry.... it goes back to that wheel analogy.

and it goes to............

Serve your customer well, listen to your customers' needs and act on those needs.

Don't listen to a bunch a florists on some forum to define who you are as a florist or who your customers should be.


Find your melody.

respectfully,
joe
 
Herb -

From my dealings with shop owners, many made technology purchases based on the their incoming order ratios, cash flow, and base membership costs. These purchases or system upgrades may have been made just a year or two ago.

They're tied in with financing and tech support that marries them to a cheatin' spouse. ;)

In those short years, WSs have changed many, many terms:
- Higher membership costs
- Higher sending technology costs
- Higher per order receiving/reporting fees
- More penalties (equal sending, rapid response)

And incomings are lower overall, in part due to some "partners" marketing drop-ship flowers over local florist delivered gifts.

If they quit, the buyouts to get out of the marriage can be relatively high, and then the shops will be without tech support. They may or may not have the cash to go out and purchase new systems - ones they now realize to be vital to their business' performances.

Divorce is a slow process (and perhaps costly in the near term) for a shop that has all their business eggs (CC clearings, website, POS) in one basket.

You are right in that simply complaining and doing nothing is futile.

We all have friends who constantly complain about their husbands/wives and then do nothing. We used to feel sorry about their situations, but since they've done nothing to change the circumstances over long periods of time, we tend to tune them out. It's clear, they just want to complain and we're tired of being drained from it.

But sometimes people just want to vent a little, and that's OK by me. That's what friends are for. :)

Cathy,
I understand what you are saying, and - to a point, I agree. If you do put all your eggs in one w/s basket, then that IS a risk.
But, business is a risk.
Marriage is a risk...but, with faith and love, you stick to it.
With biz, you HAVE outs - not quick ones, as you correctly pointed out, but there ARE outs. To me, a pos purchase is like a van purchase: financed for 5 years. If you don't like it after 3, sell it for what you HOPE will cover the buyout. But, if you CAN'T sell it, you are stuck with it. Risk.

I simply am tired of reading about "DEMANDS" from wire services. You are in business, take the risks. Don't DEMAND things you know will not come true!

Vent all you want - that's a great part of this board. But after awhile, it gets old....I'm just sayin'...

How about some constructive marketing ideas? Anyone got any - possibly using their POS in a new and exciting way???

THAT'S what to vent!

- H.
 
and it goes to............Serve your customer well, listen to your customers' needs and act on those needs.........respectfully,
joe

I could not have said it better or more succinctly. In all the WS hashing and re-hashing, we forget - THE CUSTOMER IS KING, THE RULER, and he can FIRE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.....by spending his money elsewhere.
 
How about some constructive marketing ideas? Anyone got any ???

THAT'S what to vent!

- H.

Sure - Flowers for Kids.:thumbsup

New in our world, and a focus for us.

Everybody that does it seems to rave about it and call it things like fantastic and phenomenal...

Amazing how that thread ran it's short course and went over the heads of many apparently, so they returned to what they know best - wire service bashing.

:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
 
I agree that we should be hashing in marketing threads but these darn WS threads seem to get a life of their own verses the marketing threads that die a quick death. Why is that? Do we just like to bicker or is it that the WS has weaved themselves into the daily operation of a floral shop that we have to include them?

On that note I am going to start reading some marketing threads and give this a rest for a day or two..........but I will be back. :poke:
 
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I think the reason it keeps coming back is that there are active members on this forum who have strong feelings about the wire services-and they often have differing opinions.

As soon as someone "new" brings up something on the topic, those opinions are re-hashed over a new situation. Although we may agree to disagree, everyone really wants to give it one more shot to convince the "newbie" as well as those that disagree that their viewpoint is valid.

In regards to the original post that started this thread, it seems to me it's not that the questions come up over and over, it's that the same people argue back and forth about it over and over again. My guess is that if you went back on a bunch of wire service threads, you would find the same people making the same points over and over again.

But, as Bloomz says, opinions vary.
 
Herb -

How do you feel about FTD adding drop-ship tulips to you shop's home page?

Wouldn't you rather deliver these locally yourself or wire them to another B&M shop?

I know you've worked hard to promote your site (since I get your fine email campaigns) and these items seem contrary to the promotions you've been running.

Cathy
 
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