WS website images & "photoshop"

I agree with the fact that we are not the same as a fast food chain. I just used that as an example of "truth in advertising". The BEST thing florists can do is load their website with their own work. Every listing of mine says, "flower colors & styles may vary depending on availability and season". Do they always read that? Probably not but I learned while selling online to CYA at all times. We had 0 complaints over Mother's Day and that was because the majority of the items that people choose were our own arrangements. We had not problem making them look 90% the same as the picture. People complain even if they do not see a picture beforehand, I remember a thread just the other day about a customer complaining about the size vs the cost.
 
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All I am saying is that you would be hard pressed to find an industry that does not do everything imaginable to make it product look better.
Does anyone truly believe that drinking Budweiser will see you sitting at a pool surrounded by bathing beauties, when the reality is that in a lot of cases you will more than likely be the slobbering drunk that those same bathing beauties are trying to avoid.? I did state previous that i believe the wire services are masters at making the product look good. Answer this, how many florists with WS websites would prefer that the WS not make every effort to make the product on your website look better than the competitors.

I don't agree wholeheartedly with the way product is photographed, but I have also seen some of the work that comes out of some filling shops (sent to me by recipients) and all I can say is Thank God those same filling shops are not supplying the photo's for our website.

The bottom line is that, it's not perfect but this is the natural progression of empowering the consumer via the internet.
 
Doug, I think we've actually been discussing the fact that MANY of us prefer our own less-than-perfect images to those wire service perfections.

To answer your question as to how many people really believe drinking a Budweiser will cause the bathing beauties to flock to them? FAR TOO MANY! Budweiser, all of these companies, put a hell of a lot of research into their ad campaigns. They are answering a wish, solving a problem, that's what marketing is all about.

Again, they won't go and return the Budweiser because it did not meet with the portrayed results.

You always talk about the crap that some filling shops have sent out, and I am SO sure that some of them really have been crap. They just shouldn't be in business if they don't care about what they send out. You say you are not talking about people like me who are certified but let me turn that around. I AM talking about people who are certified or could easily be if they wanted to. They/we can't work that sort of magic, but people really DO expect it, they really do.

That's why I empower my customers to choose from things that I CAN do that will look in real life like what they are seeing in an image online. If I can't, I will call them and tell them what I CAN do.
 
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I call it the "McDonald's Mindset", they want what they want and they want it now and they want it exactly the way they want it, nothing else will do. One reason I go by the McDonald's mindset is because almost every one has almost the same burger or soft drink and it will taste almost the same, they can get it NOW and as many as they want, they will not take any discussion to the contrary. If you have 30 customers ahead of them and it will take 2 hours to get to theirs, they walk out mad. If you have to sub a flower or a container, they don't or won't understand and refuse to do business with you. They want THAT picture exactly and can't "see" it with a different color rose.
I have a gal that wants a sample made for a wedding centerpiece, I already know that I can't make it with the red roses as a sub for pink to show her the size because she won't be able to get past the color issue.
 
There's quite a bit of discussion today on Consumerist.com about FTD's pictures vs reality in this article:

FTD Sends Your Mom More Craptacular Flowers Than Expected

IMO the consumer definitely didn't get close to what he ordered, but many of the readers also talk about how FTD's image is highly deceptive:
This looks mostly like a case of FTD posting an inaccurate picture of what is being offered. The FTD picture has 27 open flowers and atleast 30+ unopened flowers, and that is only the side of the case that is visible. There is still the hidden side to count. Since they only promised 22 stems it seems as though the OP got what was ordered. Her picture shows atleast 16 flowers visible.

I think I'd be angry more that I got duped by a fluffed-up image that didn't match the description more than anything. You likely would be better off going to a florist regardless, since that way at least you can see the final product. Though I can understand that this isn't feasible when buying flowers for someone far away.
Regardless, if I ever needed this particular service, this story is enough to ward me away from ever selecting FTD for it.

You know, we keep saying "don't use FTD" and griping about stories like this, but they're important because they are continuing to record FTD's failures. We can't say, "Well, maybe FTD is OK now because I haven't heard anything bad from them in a while..." or "Oh, maybe those were just random isolated screw-ups. Surely my order will be fine." Nope. There's plenty of evidence piling up against them.

FTD doesn't give a lick about their reputation because new people will still order, but the fulfilling florist works in your town/community and does (or should) care about the impression they give. You may even be able to call the fulfilling florist and ask for "Something like the New Dream bouquet", and get a better/nicer deal.
There's no way that design can ever be re-made like the picture for local delivery. FTD's supreme photoshopping continually sets up shops for complaints and consumers for disappointment.
 
There's quite a bit of discussion today on Consumerist.com about FTD's pictures vs reality in this article:

FTD Sends Your Mom More Craptacular Flowers Than Expected

IMO the consumer definitely didn't get close to what he ordered, but many of the readers also talk about how FTD's image is highly deceptive:







There's no way that design can ever be re-made like the picture for local delivery. FTD's supreme photoshopping continually sets up shops for complaints and consumers for disappointment.

I have to agree with you regarding what the consumer received, regardless of what FTD was giving them for product and delivery. If you cannot make it, don't accept it although FTD do not make it "easy" to reject/decline as they charge you to do that. (Yes, I know you can contact FTD at statement time and talk to Edith who is a star at FTD but even she cannot be all ways be persuaded to refund the reject fees).

But on the subject of FTD, what is it with FTD informing the consumer about the number of stems. It might take FTD "x" number of stems to produce a given arrangement but, surely, IF you can do the piece reflective of the image with fewer stems, then why not? Invariably FTD does not count foliage stems: all that does is suggest to the consumer that foliage is free and we know that not to be true. The implied suggestion that foliage is free diminishes the perceived value of arrangements using foliage to support (in every meaning of the word) and enhance the arrange design.

And yet more with FTD and their misleading website:
- why do florist delivered pieces inevitably always show dimensions and those shipped in a coffin, sorry, "gift box", frequently have no dimensions?; and
- have you noticed that on FTD.com, below the image which always, I think, show the ultimate/highest price version, it says "Click To View Upgrades" when what it it really should say is "Click To View Downgrades" : deceptive.
 
Lets faces we are in the MTV era, listening to music is only half the experience for some, they need to see it as well. The internet has brought this same mindset to virtually every product and service. I fully agree that the "enhancement " done to some of the images makes them difficult to deliver.

However the bottom line is the same as it has always been, we are an industry that as a whole has a difficult time delivering what the consumer wants. We can all points fingers, but from the consumers point of view the ball gets dropped far too many times when ordering flowers. Blame who you want, the wire services, the order gatherers, the fulfilling florist, or even the consumer (McDonald's Mindset) but after it is all said and done the end result is the same , an unhappy consumer.

So the reality is that we need to stop pointing fingers and as an industry resolve this problem or before long the consumer will solve it for us by taking their gifting dollars somewhere else where they can get what they want.

To me one of the big issues to be dealt with is substitution, this was a concept that was developed one hundred years ago and is still used far too often. It should be eliminated entirely or the rules tightened and strictly enforced, would that result in lost sales, you bet it would. However in the long run it would go a long way to improving customer satisfaction and trust.
 
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I see a problem with tightening up on substitution, mainly we would just be rejecting everything that came across the Dove which would also produce angry customers since their arrangements would not be delivered. We try to carry as much variety as we can for a low volume shop and not take it in the shorts every week, forcing strict guidelines on substitutions would be a problem and you would still have a problem with the "look" of a bouquet matching the photo shopped version.

I think floral gifts have become an easy solution for many people with the advent of the internet, forgot Mom or the Birthday can be remedied quickly on the internet and delivered same day, you can't say that about many other services except possibly gift cards sent in email. You'll get a better response with a nice floral gift than a gift card. As a result, I don't think flowers will be in jeopardy any time soon since people always forget or wait until the last moment to do anything. It could have repercussions down the road as more and more people get burned and it catches up to us.
 
Simon Says.

In the FTD image, there is not a speck of foliage, not one speck. The florist used leather leaf ~ liberally. That makes a big difference in image quality and perceived value.

I agree with CHR 100%. The consumer did NOT get their value. At the same time, I could not possibly make that design at that price unless I made it one-sided. Even then, I would have a hard time making the lower carnations "face" that way and still be in water.
 
Simon Says.

In the FTD image, there is not a speck of foliage, not one speck. The florist used leather leaf ~ liberally. That makes a big difference in image quality and perceived value.

I agree with CHR 100%. The consumer did NOT get their value. At the same time, I could not possibly make that design at that price unless I made it one-sided. Even then, I would have a hard time making the lower carnations "face" that way and still be in water.

Linda,

My reference to foliage was not regarding the specific arrangement in CHR's comment but FTD's approach to foliage, where they use it, and not, seemingly, counting it.

On the specific image in CHR's comment I do agree with him, as I believe I said or alluded to, and with your view that what the recipient received was an embarrassment, whether the filling florist claimed it was as similar as possible or not.
 
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I see a problem with tightening up on substitution, mainly we would just be rejecting everything that came across the Dove which would also produce angry customers since their arrangements would not be delivered. We try to carry as much variety as we can for a low volume shop and not take it in the shorts every week, forcing strict guidelines on substitutions would be a problem and you would still have a problem with the "look" of a bouquet matching the photo shopped version.

I think floral gifts have become an easy solution for many people with the advent of the internet, forgot Mom or the Birthday can be remedied quickly on the internet and delivered same day, you can't say that about many other services except possibly gift cards sent in email. You'll get a better response with a nice floral gift than a gift card. As a result, I don't think flowers will be in jeopardy any time soon since people always forget or wait until the last moment to do anything. It could have repercussions down the road as more and more people get burned and it catches up to us.

I have for a long time believed that substitution was one of the leading causes of consumer dissatisfaction. The fact that tightening up on it would not resolve all issues is not a valid reason for keeping it in its present form. Substitution was developed and still exists for the convenience of the the sending and filling florist's, not for the benefit of the consumer. The reality is that many of our industry standard practices were developed originally for the convenience of the florist, substitution is just one case in point.

Another great example of this is "fill to value", talk about a moving target. FTD as an example has 13,000+ members in North America, all of whom individually set pricing and determine value. Never once in this equation is the consumer's interpretation of value considered to any degree. Send a $50 "fill to value" order to 10 different filling shops and you get 10 totally different finished products typically ranging from "great value" all the way to "over priced". Someplace in the middle you may actually find a product that serves both the consumer and the filling shop by providing decent value while still maintaining a reasonable margin.

Yet at the end of the day the average filling florist will fight to the death to maintain their right to substitute and determine their own "fill to value".

It's no wonder the consumer is confused, angry, and seeking alternatives. Say what you want about direct shippers, but the fact remains that at least what they deliver is generally closer to what was actually sold than we can say about a lot of traditional wire orders filled by florists.Sure their advertised price is inflated through the order process by service and delivery fee's however the consumer is aware of this at each step.

Again, the bottom line here is that our industry in some areas needs an overhaul from top to bottom to catch up with today's consumer.
 
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Doug, you are mostly right about the drop shipper sending what they said, if you discount the fact that they show all fully blown blooms and again, all front-facing. In this the consumer is inexpressibly naive.

Over-haul from top to bottom? You bet! Nobody can get away with what they used to with substitutions. Unfortunately, so many of the complaints arrive post-holiday from orders that were sent to a florist at the eleventh hour for immediate fulfillment with a seriously depleted inventory. If the wire services would take away some of the severe penalties imposed on "cherry pickers" this would be less prevalent and if they all would quit over-selling, that again would help.

I realize you are talking about filling florists as much as anything, I am just being bratty and ignoring that ~ we are perfect and don't need to change! :tongue: KIDDING! Got some problems there, too.
 
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I guess at the end of the day we all want the same thing, a more vibrant and stronger flower industry. Unfortunately, there are still many that would just like to continue to operate as they have in the past and blame all of our industries woes on the evils of WS's and OG's.

Our industry is being faced with many of the same challenges that other industries have faced in the last decade and the underlying cause is the empowerment of the consumer through technology. This is not something that will go away, if anything we are simply witnessing the "ramp up" as the internet moves from the desktop to the palm of your hand.
 
......................thing that will go away, if anything we are simply witnessing the "ramp up" as the internet moves from the desktop to the palm of your hand.

Yes, but customers are like sheep. You can "herd" them and be a rancher or you can let them run wild as some of WS/OG do. We educate to all that the little picture on your crackberry, blueberry, blackberry will NOT look like what you get on the other end. We educate to ask the florist on the other end or tell us and we tell them, allow that florist to take what is the freshest product in their store, something that will give you the best bang for you buck all the while trying to give them a picture that will show all of that. Surely, not the tfweb505 "It was dark in the bar" bouquet, cause that's where that designer was to have made that piece of ****, for a million people to see and buy. I'm just say'in, I prefer to be a rancher.
 
I have for a long time believed that substitution was one of the leading causes of consumer dissatisfaction. The fact that tightening up on it would not resolve all issues is not a valid reason for keeping it in its present form. Substitution was developed and still exists for the convenience of the the sending and filling florist's, not for the benefit of the consumer. The reality is that many of our industry standard practices were developed originally for the convenience of the florist, substitution is just one case in point.

Another great example of this is "fill to value", talk about a moving target. FTD as an example has 13,000+ members in North America, all of whom individually set pricing and determine value. Never once in this equation is the consumer's interpretation of value considered to any degree. Send a $50 "fill to value" order to 10 different filling shops and you get 10 totally different finished products typically ranging from "great value" all the way to "over priced". Someplace in the middle you may actually find a product that serves both the consumer and the filling shop by providing decent value while still maintaining a reasonable margin.

Yet at the end of the day the average filling florist will fight to the death to maintain their right to substitute and determine their own "fill to value".

It's no wonder the consumer is confused, angry, and seeking alternatives. Say what you want about direct shippers, but the fact remains that at least what they deliver is generally closer to what was actually sold than we can say about a lot of traditional wire orders filled by florists.Sure their advertised price is inflated through the order process by service and delivery fee's however the consumer is aware of this at each step.

Again, the bottom line here is that our industry in some areas needs an overhaul from top to bottom to catch up with today's consumer.

The issue of substitutions and "fill to value" are both valid areas of abuse by florists (and, arguably, the WS).

However, "fill to value" is an arena, when the cost of product, labor and distribution to the consumer are considered, the theoretically same designer in NYC on 5th Ave or Peoria, IL, or Honolulu, HI or St. John's, Newfoundland, would turn out a different finished item if, for example, all had an order from a WS for US$50.

The WS are attempting to take a national restaurant chain approach: selling the "same soup", the "same steak" and the "same dessert" at an average price and quality across the geographical vastness of the USA and Canada. In reality though, BK, McD, KFC et cetera do not have a common, nationwide, approach. The price of a cheeseburger in McD is different in San Fran from what it is in Anchorage and from what it is in Orlando. It is different because of localized costs and what the market will carry. Look at the alternative to the nationals, stand alone restaurants. Here price, quality and presentation of the "same soup", "same steak" et cetera will vary from one stand alone restaurant in the same street or town never mind across 3,000 miles. What is more, many of the national chains are also franchises and have, in the same region, varying menus between one another - hence the exclusionary terms and clauses in the radio, television and print advertising such as "At participating restaurants only" or "Prices May Vary".

The cost of product - be it flora or if in the restaurants, ground beef, for example - varies. Cut orchids for the florist cost less in Miami than they do in the Philadelphia region where I am and, I am sure, the price in Las Vegas will be different again for reasons of supply, demand and distribution costs.

Those are valid reasons why the "fill to value" will be different, ignoring even the design skill, style and taste levels, and these are also reasons why the consumer will appreciate different value for money across the country. Some-one living on 5th Ave in NYC would, I imagine, have a different perception and appreciation of what you get for US$50 from a florist than some-one in Prince Edward Island in British Columbia versus a person in Baton Rogue, LA.

In my opinion, these are yet further reasons why the WS structure is rotting away and the staff are the WS companies are unable to repair the crumbling structures they work for. You are right, the industry does need an overhaul and the antiquated ideas that the WS help to keep alive - substitutions and "fill to value" amongst them - will help to bring the WS down as part of that overhaul.

The WS kill originality and the myriad of tastes around North America. What florists who are not associated with a WS should see themselves as is similar to the stand alone restaurant. Some of these restaurants fail...some of these restaurants florish...some of these restaurants muddle through to the general satisfaction of their owners. These stand alone restaurants do "fill to value" the plate of their diners in their establishment. These stand alone restaurants do not substitute because they are not asked to stock an inventory of 200+ different perishable ingredients 310 days of the year on the off-chance that the consumers will consume all these items 52 weeks of the year (assuming, of course, that the ingredient is available in the market place from any supplier each of those 52 weeks in the quantity you think you will need).

I have to agree with Bootcamp. Florists need - including myself - to learn to be better ranchers with the public.
 
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I guess I just don't get why the even put stem counts in the description. Every stem of mum, spray roses, mini carnations, and the likes will vary in number of blooms. Why use one stem when you need 2 or the other way around. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, there is no way on earth I would put a stem count on anything besides roses :)

Check this one out

http://www.ftd.com/flowers-pcg/brea...d/product-samedaydelivery-flowersplants/rp84/

WHAT! $300.00 ~~ Are you kidding me! The roses alone are selling for $3.50 a stem here in my shop and judging by the cost from our wholesaler it may see $4.00 soon. So how exactly would you fill that to value???
 
I guess I just don't get why the even put stem counts in the description. Every stem of mum, spray roses, mini carnations, and the likes will vary in number of blooms. Why use one stem when you need 2 or the other way around. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, there is no way on earth I would put a stem count on anything besides roses :)

Check this one out

http://www.ftd.com/flowers-pcg/brea...d/product-samedaydelivery-flowersplants/rp84/

WHAT! $300.00 ~~ Are you kidding me! The roses alone are selling for $3.50 a stem here in my shop and judging by the cost from our wholesaler it may see $4.00 soon. So how exactly would you fill that to value???

drop ship. You'll never see that order.