Congrats to bloomz

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Originally posted by gr8vet
This thread was started based on a REAL FLORIST. That has passed the inspection, that has continually marketed his company and that has reached out to his out of town customers. Maybe a phone call to Jonathon and I am pretty sure he would share his success story, and assist you in becoming a more savy marketeer for your internet customers and future business. Good Luck during the upcoming months. Be agressive, be profitable... Hal
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I already know how he does it. He places your city, town, whatever, as part of the key words that an internet search will pick up on. Then when someone is searching the net for a florist in your town, His web site shows up. It is nothing different than what the other order gatherers are doing. Then you pay the search engines to get your listing listed a little higher on the food chain..

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You need to go back in time and read some of the posts he used to make on the issue of ordergatherers and FTD to have an understanding of just what a hippocrit he is. He flip flops on the issues more than Sen. Kerry and a fish out of water.

There was a time when what he posted was worth reading. Now it's hard to figure which hand he's typing with.
 
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Re: Re: inspection

(This comment was intended toward Flowerknife's comment that was taken out by the moderator)


Wow...

There goes all my respect for you out the window. Maybe you should know the whole story before opening you mouth, I know that has gotten me in trouble before.
 
Terms of Service?

Unfortunately, this thread has taken an ugly, unprofessional turn.

I participate in a few non-floral forums and have to say that these types of personal slams would be absolutely prohibited most anywhere else outside our industry.

I looked around and didn't locate the Terms of Service here... but am pretty sure they exist.

Name calling and the use of pejoratives does not further anything remotely considered dialogue. (No, this is not the first time it's happened - but it should be the LAST.)

Participants should be welcome to express views and opinions - but only in a professional manner. IMO, petty or personal remarks, especailly those directed towards individuals and/or their companies (regardless of WHO they are) should have NO PLACE and should be edited by forum moderators.

Flowerknife, can't you think of a more appropriate way to express your opinion?

I've known Bloomz for quite a few years and find your remarks highly offensive and very inapprorpiate.
 
I think flowerknife was being metaphoric in his remarks and not personally attacking Jonatan.
He's equating OG to pimps and the florists that fill for them to their "working" girls.
Whether or not you agree with his opinion is something else.
I have customers who are OGs and they don't see anything wrong with it. I guess it depends from what side of the fence you are looking at it.
I was at a customer yesterday who's going to drop FTD because they don't give him enough incomings!
A lot of you guys don't beleive this, but a lot of florists out there really want as many incoming orders as they can handle. That's why they belong to 2 or 3 wire services and if another one was to come along, they'd probably join that one also. :confused:
 
While I agree the remarks made by knife are inappropriate and offensive, censorship in any form is just as inappropriate and offensive to me. I choose, instead, to unsubscrible to this particular thread.

Again I say, in spite of other remarks, congrats Bloomz and wish everyone a happy day.

V
 
I find it telling that, in and of itself, no one has commented on the central facts of the posts I've made.

For the sake of decorum. I'll rephrase.

He's a panderer to a base of unworthy use.

Now, rather than repeat my self. Plug in the above defination and re-respond to the central message in the post.

As long as his web site shows up as a florist "servicing" my City. Being some 2000 miles away, I'll call him what he really is.

If the morerator (of which there is one) find what I've posted to be offensive or the central facts to be untrue. Then their free to do with my posts or access to this board as they feel fit..

Untill that time comes arround. Some of you will just have to deal with the opinions of those who hold views that run counter to yours.

To me, knowing Bloomz is immaterial to the issue at hand.

If it makes you all feel better- Here's kudos to Bloomz for being such a successful order gatherer!
 
My two cent minus a pennys worth

I'm seeing Wire Services turning members into competeing with each other. Those days of having your local customer come to your shop to send out flowers is loooonnngggg gone after the Internet that Al Gore invented went live.

Face it, today's consumer shops on-line from their work computer or home computer because of the "norm" in todays fast pace world...."most are too busy to get out of the car and walk in a flower shop".

There is no law that say's you cannot advertise yourself outside of your community as long as you get the product into the consumers hands and with a Wire Service as your tool to do this you have 30,000 plus members signed up to get the product filled.
The consumer could care less where or who fills the order just as long as it gets there.

Bloomz has all the right to do what he is doing and he is not hiding ANYTHING on his site...the full address and phone number is displayed for the consumer to see and read.
Now if he was hijacking your shops name or phone number or "your own digital pictures of your designs" that would be a different story...but he is not.

Ok my penny is spent...
 
I am sure that Bloomz has a lot of interesting things to say and I can usually use tid bits to make my company better no matter where it comes, but this all begs the question I asked. How can I reach that out of town customer who REALLY wants to find me. I know all about tags/keywords and search engines, having done plenty of that for myself and other people.
Somehow, I need to "work the system" to my benefit, too. The WS and OGs and YPs don't care if I survive, they will find a way to adapt or go bust themselves. So how do I work the system, too? I am going to spend a lot of thought on this and will let you know if there is a way. You know, Bloomz may have answer in his head somewhere and may or may not know it.

Judy
 
I've removed the distasteful content and any quotes related to it. I'm not taking sides on the issue - in fact, I've found the topic to be quite interesting.

However, there was one post that crossed the lines of decency, and it has been dealt with. I hope we can move on in a mature and productive manner and really deal with the issues, now.

Ryan
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Originally posted by flowerknife+us
I find it telling that, in and of itself, no one has commented on the central facts of the posts I've made.
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Your facts were stated !! I said Mr Bloomz has done his part to compete against the OG's who were daily taking his and YOUR biz.
Your anger and animosity has overshadowed your ability to come to grips with reality pal. Either you play by the new rules or slowly but surely you will also disappear. You seem to be more caught up in the why, rather than what can I do to retain what I worked so hard for. I am sure by redirecting some of your "good will" you also will continue to be as successful as you once were prior to the evolution of the internet. Call the OG's what you may, but they are going no place, as I stated before take care of your own and don't give them an excuse to use "Inbloom"- Expressions in Bloom. I have once said some old fashon traditional marketing does wonders still today, B-day reminders, anniversary cards, recipient marketing, incoming marketing. The only thing you need to add is your ever important WEB SITE ADDRESS, all it is, is an extention of your current store. But now they will go there rather than somebody else. The trick is keeping them.
 
Hal can I ask..

Originally posted by gr8vet
Either you play by the new rules or slowly but surely you will also disappear.
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What New Rules? Wire Service Rules? Marketing Rules? Made up Rules?
Dictator Rules?

I find it SAD that the Florists cannot come up with a POWERFULL UNION or a VOICE ORGANIZATIION GROUP to take OUR BUSINESS BACK. Instead were to "play by rules"?. Heck FORD,GM and Daimler have Rules but they have a UNION OF WORKERS who makes sure the RULES are fair across the board for the ones who are doing the WORK so the product stays fresh in the consumers mind.
Anyone can build a CAR and anyone can be a Florist as long as they have a knife and a soda cooler.

That is why I went WS FREE...I'm not about to give in to RULES dictated by a VENDOR/COMPANY who gladly excepts membership fees and money off of every order filled by the member to tell ME/US how I should perform in our business when they fatten and line THEIR POCKETS FIRST.

This industry has a sickness......and just like PEOPLE, no one has a cure for FLOWER CANCER.
MONEY WS GREED and CANCER are the only thing that keeps growing in this industry and our TRIAGE CENTER found a way to stop the BLEEDING.
 
I find this a VERY interesting thread...

that DOES NOT require "degradation" to be effective. I equally find great displeasure in the discipline of "moderation" however, IF the portion of the dictionary, that you wish to use, falls in "that grey area" find some other colours.
This is a most important topic, and cannot be put to bed, and we need to find ways of expression, PRIOR TO engaging the mouth and keyboard!!
It can be done.....editing is frowned upon, deleting is the final straw...if THAT is what it's gonna take to keep this clean, then the WHOLE STRING will be deleted...a huge loss of opinions...
Mike
 
Well my tongue is bleeding, but my Texas friend tells me that "only a fool will argue with a fool" I will simply say that since I expressed my OPINIONS and showed my opposition to creating an unnecessary war, nothing I can say or do is ok with Peter (Coleman, not the nice Peter). He's one of those that thinks if you oppose "the war" you should be sent to Iraq, while I feel just the opposite is true. Suffice it for me to say that I don't respect him or his views and this isn't the first time he has disparaged people here, including others besides me. But my skin is pretty thick.

Now for something positive, I was embarassed that the other Peter found that, it was for local kudos and publicity only, but since it is and has been, 2 things that have helped me. One my friends Boss and Skin advised me to try giving up the relay fee I charged local customers in lieu of attracting more wire outs. I thank them for this, and that grows. The other I praise is technology, and marketing with my system has helped me immensely.

Blue mentioned Rules "What New Rules? Wire Service Rules? Marketing Rules? Made up Rules? Dictator Rules?" Nope the Consumer is the one who now sets the rules.

I thank you all for the nice comments. Anyone NICE that wants to contact me personally I will attempt to share what little I do know. I *think* I am known as a fairly helpful guy. :)
 
I see no need for this thread to be deleted, or edited. There is nothing said on here that bloomz cannot handle.
 
Re: Hal can I ask..

Originally posted by Blue Oyster Cult
What New Rules? Wire Service Rules? Marketing Rules? Made up Rules?
Dictator Rules?

I find it SAD that the Florists cannot come up with a POWERFULL UNION or a VOICE ORGANIZATIION GROUP to take OUR BUSINESS BACK. Instead were to "play by rules"?. Heck FORD,GM and Daimler have Rules but they have a UNION OF WORKERS who makes sure the RULES are fair across the board for the ones who are doing the WORK so the product stays fresh in the consumers mind.
Anyone can build a CAR and anyone can be a Florist as long as they have a knife and a soda cooler.

That is why I went WS FREE...I'm not about to give in to RULES dictated by a VENDOR/COMPANY who gladly excepts membership fees and money off of every order filled by the member to tell ME/US how I should perform in our business when they fatten and line THEIR POCKETS FIRST.

This industry has a sickness......and just like PEOPLE, no one has a cure for FLOWER CANCER.
MONEY WS GREED and CANCER are the only thing that keeps growing in this industry and our TRIAGE CENTER found a way to stop the BLEEDING.
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Cult my friend the rules set forth by todays consumers !!! Pure and simple they have no loyalty (if so not very much) .
 
Well Bloomz, I see you are unwilling to deny the fact that you became an order gatherer..

Seeing that your "marketing program" and "no sending Fee" is so sucessful. Then you won't mind removing my city (and countless others) from your key word data base will you?

Like all good Democrats, you confuse one issue with another. It wasn't your narrow minded, short sighted views off world politics that changed my opinion of you. It was the fact that your web site started showing up as being a shop that services Syracuse.

You don't really expect us to believe that your humble little town of 53,000 can really be squeezed for enough out of town orders to give you a ranking of 75th in FTD do you?

I openly challenge you to deny the fact that you have become an order gatherer.

I don't need your respect to be a sucessfull Florist. Nor do I need to sucker the residents of your community to gain orders..

I wonder how many of your "friends" understand how much your mowing their lawn?
 
I'm not a Democrat, just an independent thinker, and I am done talking to your bigoted a$$. Tho I did just do a search of my site and the word Syracuse appears nowhere on it. I explain nothing more to you and I answer not to you. Good-bye.
 
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