Not Much Hope for Wire Serive Change

domineaux said:
Why do you think I said, "practically"? You are so sure of yourself to articulate something I didn't say.

Heck, if I put up a site and became an OG you would still have an out, because successful would have to be based on your criteria... right?

I may very well have to accept your challenge om the future, because from a previous posting I mentioned OG may be the only best future for florists.

From your posting I gather OG is not objectionable, since you laud the practices of Munro. Maybe, I should change my view of OG, since people that are in the industry with some clout, as yourself, just don't seem concerned.

In fact, you challenged me to become an OG. If I did that I certainly wouldn't make it known. I'd just slide in and take what I could from the unsuspecting fill florists as OG currently do.

I don't regret getting off on you on this posting. Maybe you should let your brain think abit before you start cranking out the verbiage. I'm sure over time I'll make equally stupid responses as yours, and I can expect a similar response or maybe I should say deserve similar responses. I hope I"ll be able to moderate my feelings enough to accept or ignore the responses that chastise me for my mistakes. LOL
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Dom,

One final comment.....

As you are so confident that you can become a successful OG "practically" overnight I have a question.

When can you start working? I can have an office set up here for you today, or better yet you can work remotely for us.

I need an individual with your skills because truth be told we have been do doing what you refer to as "Order Gathering" for well over a decade and that part of our business still has a long ways to go before I would refer to it a grand success.

Its good to find someone who obviously has it all figured our and knows more than the rest of us.

Send me an email and we can discuss the terms of your employment. I assume you will be more than happy to work on a straight percentage of the additional business you create for us? Based on your confidence this should make you a wealthy man

Take Care and I look forward to hearing from you

Doug
 
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Doug

Obviously, either you didn't read or don't pay attention.

I don't care a flip for being a parasite OG.

Since you are a POG I'd can understand why you vehemently defend your less than honorable business ethics.

Your supersillious offer is a "queer" proposition and makes you sound just like a pre-teen kid. LOL

Everyone gets the point without your condescending verbal tripe.

I just put you on my ignore list and you can do the same for me.

This way you won't get your tutu ruffled by my postings.
 
domineaux said:
Doug

Obviously, either you didn't read or don't pay attention.

I don't care a flip for being a parasite OG.

Since you are a POG I'd can understand why you vehemently defend your less than honorable business ethics.

Your supersillious offer is a "queer" proposition and makes you sound just like a pre-teen kid. LOL

Everyone gets the point without your condescending verbal tripe.

I just put you on my ignore list and you can do the same for me.

This way you won't get your tutu ruffled by my postings.
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Dom,

On second thought it probably would not work out. You appear to lack the neccessary communication skills.

Best of luck in your future endevours

Doug
 
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FANCIES said:
Hi, just wondering what is your niche? Mine "was" 70-80c wrapped roses @$12.99 dozen before the grocery stores selling them. I am on a street between 2 grocery stores selling lots of flowers. Cello wrap roses, 1 dz $9.99 at safeway. I now sell 1 dz long stem wrapped color roses for $18.99 dz & red roses for $22.99. If bb & greens are added i charge $8 more, includes 3 stems bb & 8-10 pcs of grs. I don't sell alot of wrapped roses anymore. So what is the niche for you now & others, i would like to know. I sometimes say we are the home of the $20 bouquet! Lol!!! Every order helps though. So what is everybodies niches?
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Wow. Well, my niche is novelty and creative design, along with a strong funeral business. Mostly walk-in.

I would HEAVILY suggest that in order to find a niche, a business owner must look at what the competition is offering, and then offer something completely different.
 
domineaux said:
I think most people are basically of the mindset that flowers are flowers, that has got to be the reason for 1800 and Proflower success. I have frequently delivered flowers on busy days and this is fact.... I've never had anyone say, " WHat a lousy bouquet".

Recipients are just glad for the sentiment, and aren't too interested in anything else. Sure there are exceptions to this, but I wonder if it makes that much difference except to persons who are well educated about flowers to know what they are getting.
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I disagree with this wholeheartedly. I think that most recipients will never tell the sender that what they received was subpar, but they certainly have an opinion on it. I may not be a florist, myself, but I read a LOT of reviews as part of my daily work (monitoring mentions of Teleflora and of other floral businesses). Many recipients do actually complain about poor quality bouquets, but they often don't know where they came from and don't want to offend the person who did them the favor of buying a gift, so their dissatisfaction doesn't get reported.

More and more, with the ease which people can send pictures of what they received (and even more, the growing ubiquity of posting pictures of anything and everything from their phone to social networks like Facebook and Yelp), senders are seeing what the recipient gets or recipients are seeing what else is available and awareness is on the rise. I think there will always be a certainly level of unreported dissatisfaction, simply because flowers (at least in the US) are generally given as a gift and there's still very much the culture of 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth', but to simply smile and say thank you for the effort and the thought.
 
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NicoleATTF

Maybe you could answer Eric S, why does TF cooperate with Proflowers alter ego company = FloristExpress.net.

You said, "I may not be a florist, myself, but I read a LOT of reviews as part of my daily work". I read an article today on pulling teeth, I guess I should start pulling teeth, since I now know so much about pulling teeth. What a credential~ a real fountain of knowledge.

You are here to influence and manipulate opinion in favor of TF on a forums for florists. A fox in the hen house.
 
Domineaux,

Did somebody get out of the wrong side of the bed today?

Please remember that you are dealing with human beings here.....I understand you have very strong, angry feelings about wire services, og's, etc. You are trying to influence people to your way of thinking and I respect that, just as I respect other's opinions. There is wisdom to be gleaned from all input, little gems of wisdom.

Don't get nasty, the respect dwindles.
 
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domineaux said:
NicoleATTF

You are here to influence and manipulate opinion in favor of TF on a forums for florists. A fox in the hen house.
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I disagree... Nicole has been the most forthright wire service employee I have ever had the pleasure to encounter, here in the community or anywhere for that matter. I feel she goes out of her way to be as unbiased as she possibly can be considering her employer.

As to the "fox in the hen house", I'd rather know who's who, and I also like having the wires keep an eye on what we discuss. Not that it changes everything, but it does change some things, and give them a pain in the assets.
 
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Coles notes on Dom's last few posts:
- Job offers = personal solicitations
- Successful business management = deceptive nastiness
- Doug Munro wears a tutu (Just so wrong! And completely inaccurate :))
- Nicole is working voodoo magics to rob otherwise sane adult business owners of their ability to reason
- After 1-2 yrs on the fringe of the biz, Dom's solved all our problems
- Dom has a big vocab (or word of the day TP) and it makes him superior to us

I would like to personally nominate Dom as the new official "12Bux" of FlowerChat :) How is that cat's business doing these days?

Fridays are fun!
 
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Infinite said:
Coles notes on Dom's last few posts:
- Job offers = personal solicitations
- Successful business management = deceptive nastiness
- Doug Munro wears a tutu (Just so wrong! And completely inaccurate :))
- Nicole is working voodoo magics to rob otherwise sane adult business owners of their ability to reason
- After 1-2 yrs on the fringe of the biz, Dom's solved all our problems
- Dom has a big vocab (or word of the day TP) and it makes him superior to us

I would like to personally nominate Dom as the new official "12Bux" of FlowerChat :) How is that cat's business doing these days?

Fridays are fun!
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Seriously, guys, go to your rooms for a time-out! Emily
 
domineaux said:
NicoleATTF

Maybe you could answer Eric S, why does TF cooperate with Proflowers alter ego company = FloristExpress.net.

You said, "I may not be a florist, myself, but I read a LOT of reviews as part of my daily work". I read an article today on pulling teeth, I guess I should start pulling teeth, since I now know so much about pulling teeth. What a credential~ a real fountain of knowledge.

You are here to influence and manipulate opinion in favor of TF on a forums for florists. A fox in the hen house.
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I have personally never met Nicole, however I can appreciate the difficult position she is in. Lets face it, this board is not exactly WS friendly (even less than the real world) and in most of her replies I have read she is simply outlining her companies side.

The bottom line is that if you strongly disagree with the whole business of wire services, just don't be a member. Pretty simple.

We are a member of FTD, does that mean that I agree with everything they do? Of course not. However the services we use from FTD are good for our stores and our business. If the daywere ever to come that they no longer beneficial I suspect we would cancel our membership. If that day were ever to happen I can assure you this, I will get on with my life and go about building our business in another direction and you can rest assured I will not give my past allegience with them another thought. What you wouldl never see is my wasting my time making derogatory comments about FTD or trying to get others to follow our lead. After all we are all responsible for our own business success or failures, unfortunately it is always just to easy to blame the "other" guy.

The bottom line (yes I knwo I am sounding like a stuck record on this one) is that the flower industry has changed permanently and unfortunately there is NO going back. We are all part of that change and to some degree responsible for it. As an example, Dom refers at one point to wholesalers that will sell to anyone, yet in another statement refers to the fact that he is buying flowers direct (avoiding the wholesale) to cut costs. As a former wholesaler I can state that this is a "catch 22" situation. The wholesaler has a business to run, when his retail florist customers bypass the wholesale, the wholesale must find new customers. By the same token, many retailers see buying direct as simply "good business" and a way of cutting costs. other retailers seeing a wholesaler selling to the public will not support the wholesaler and buy direct. So whose fault is this? You tell me. 40 years ago this was not possible as the transportation networks did not exist, there was no internet, imports from South America very virtually unknown, Miami as the "gateway" for flowers was a dream, and domestic growers for the most part only sold to wholesalers. The structure was simple "Grower-Wholesaler-Retailer-Consumer". Times have changed, and again there is no going back.

On a last note, I recall 20-30 years ago when the biggest issue that retail florists discussed was how to combat "In Lieu Of Flowers" and get the consumer back to buying flowers for funerals. Every florist meeting I attended this came up and was discussed passionately, letters were written to funeral directors, ads wer taken out, etc. My humble opinion at the time was that it was a lost cause and that the consumer had and was making the choice, so move on and look at other avenues to build your business. Just don't waste an incredible amount of energy and resouces on on something you can not change, know when to pick your battles.

So now we move the clock forward to today and the passinate discussion topic amongst florists is how to combat order gatherers and wire services. Some thing just never change.
 
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domineaux said:
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If this cat starts posting hippo bums things are going to go south fast :)
 
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