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Originally Posted by Doug Munro
As for some individuals on this board being defeatists, that may be true. However I prefer to believe that many individuals on this board (myself included) are realists and see that are industry has changed dramatically over the last 2-3 decades. I believe we also see that what may have worked a quarter century ago in this industry will not work today. So what in fact may seem "defeatist" to you is in many cases a call to action and for change within the "mom and pop" sector of our industry so that we will survive the decades to come.

Here's some questions for you.

1. What makes you think that the consumer values a Mom and Pop operation?

2. Why is the flower industry different than say, the mom and pop movie rental industry, the mom and pop butcher shops, or for that matter the Mom and Pop anything?

3. Could the reason the Mom and Pop flower business is suffering is because in todays world the real overhead of running a business is so high and the fact that flowers have been turned into a commodity by overproduction, that the consumer no longers sees value in flowers and those Mom and Pop's can't live on what little profit is left.

4. Couple the above with the fact that todays consumer has seen a major change in their standard of living, from the top to the bottom, ie falling housing prices, shrinking incomes, shrinking investments, that they see liitle need for flowers in their life. This goes along with the fact that the American, never valued flowers like the Europeans.
 
Good golly I am getting tired of "discussing" LOL! Been arguing the merits of buying local on facebook today. I'm ready to go back to work and not have two days of idle time on my hands!
I don't know that I could produce a rose arrangement like the one mentioned above for anywhere near $7. SS roses here are .65 each (non-box, open market, I realize they can be less with other buying options) not to mention $10 a bunch (at least!) for bittersweet. Is that even available now?!?! Haven't seen any in ages. But I digress.
When I have customers that come to me with a budget of $15-$20, and nothing specific in mind, I always suggest a midi vase with a few snaps, hydrangea or two gerbs and a few stems of aralia, ti or other cool foilage. Everybody loves this because they are getting premium flowers, at a low price. It doesn't always have to be short roses at that price.
 

Originally Posted by Doug Munro
As for some individuals on this board being defeatists, that may be true. However I prefer to believe that many individuals on this board (myself included) are realists and see that are industry has changed dramatically over the last 2-3 decades. I believe we also see that what may have worked a quarter century ago in this industry will not work today. So what in fact may seem "defeatist" to you is in many cases a call to action and for change within the "mom and pop" sector of our industry so that we will survive the decades to come.

Here's some questions for you.

1. What makes you think that the consumer values a Mom and Pop operation?

I believe what today's consumer values is "value" itself as that particular consumer perceives value. The perception of value is varied amongst consumers but from what I can see "price" seems to be leading the pack amongst consumers as an indicator of value. After that convenience, selection,quality, etc. I don't for a moment believe that the average consumer holds a special place in their hearts for the "mom and pop" business (that sounds like something from a Norman Rockwell painting). A perfect example of this is what happens to a smaller center when a Walmart opens, history shows that the majority of consumers tend to abandon the local business in favor of shopping at Walmart.

2. Why is the flower industry different than say, the mom and pop movie rental industry, the mom and pop butcher shops, or for that matter the Mom and Pop anything.

It's not. In fact the meat industry is a great example of where I believe the traditional retail flower industry is going. At one time local "mom & pop" butchers could be found in virtually any neighborhood, yet today they are few and far between. The ones that have survived have had to change how they do business, generally supplying specialty products (freezer packs, custom cuts and sausages, etc) and working on lower margins. I have believed for some time that this is what the traditional retail florist sector is going through.

3. Could the reason the Mom and Pop flower business is suffering is because in today's world the real overhead of running a business is so high and the fact that flowers have been turned into a commodity by overproduction, that the consumer no longer sees value in flowers and those Mom and Pop's can't live on what little profit is left.

There is no doubt that operating costs have risen dramatically say over the last 20 years, but by the same token the actual cost of product has in many cases dropped over the last 2 decades. Think about it, if someone had told the average florist 20 years ago that a quality rose would be readily available at a cost of under $0.50 per stem on a fairly regular basis would they have believed it? Unfortunately in general that savings has never come close to being translated to the consumer level except thru supermarkets, mass marketers, a a few volume oriented retail flower shops. When I entered the industry 30 some odd years ago roses retailed for $50 - 80 per dozen, today in some shops they still do. The old model of high margins, and low customer count no longer works.

4. Couple the above with the fact that today's consumer has seen a major change in their standard of living, from the top to the bottom, ie falling housing prices, shrinking incomes, shrinking investments, that they see little need for flowers in their life. This goes along with the fact that the American, never valued flowers like the Europeans.

The fact is that most studies show that the average Americans standard of living and level of disposable income has improved substantially since post second world war. The "shrinking " you refer to for the most part has been a very recent event. As for Europeans, yes they value flowers to a higher degree than North Americans. However if you want to "shrinking" disposable income you should really look at Europe. Until the recent downturn in the economy flower sales as a whole in North America were pretty consistent over the last decade, what was not consistent was the breakdown of where flowers were being purchased at the retail level. The fact is that the traditional retail florist is most cases is seeing their sales diminish due to the fact they are getting a much smaller piece of the pie.

On a last note, you asked me the questions, I answered. That's certainly not to say I am right. The bottom line for me is that I strongly believe to survive in today's world a flower shop must build customer count and improve their efficiency in order to keep operating costs down, and they must not ignore the consumers focus on price.
 
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This has been a very interesting thread. We all know what our "bottom line" for operation and our shops survival is. But what we are not looking at is the consumers bottom line for survival is.
People love flowers. They still buy flowers. Maybe not from a florist but from the supermarket etc. We need to put ourselves in the consumers shoes.Consumers spend according to what they can afford. If they are on fixed incomes, lost jobs or have taking a pay decrease, they do not have alot of money to spend on a Luxury item such as flowers. This doesn't make them "Cheap". It just means their money goes to other thingsthat take priority,such as food, bills, rent mortgage whatever.
Would they prefer to buy from us, the answer is probably yes. Would they rather have a cup of Starbucks coffee than McDonalds probably yes. Not everyone can AFFORD it. So, we need to make the attempt to service those that can not afford more and offer good value, quality and service at a more affordable price in order to increase the customer volume of sales.
If someone can spend $4.99 a on a bunch of flowers each week, rather than $65.00 once every two months I think this is a good value to them.
Just a thought.
 
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