Sher
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Well I think I'd I'd rather be a slurpette than a slurpee...or at least that's my opinion right this minute...I still thnk it is weird as well ..about the number of views...
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*Design Competition* Your Best Dozen Roses - Discussion
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Sher
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I also find it odd, that I had three new votes in the last 24 hours all of which were 10's...did not raise my "average" at all...
Sher
Could be a lag in the software. Also, the more previous ratings you've received, the less impact newer ones will have (up or down) on the average. It's the law of averages.
Remember that the Top 12 will be determined by total points received and not by average ratings.
Voting closes at midnight Eastern time tonight.
Remember that the Top 12 will be determined by total points received and not by average ratings.
Voting closes at midnight Eastern time tonight.
Palms
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Firstly i must repeat that i have found most of the feedback really refreshing on my design. I have loved it when someone just loves it and i also have agreed with a lot of the critical feedback and have definately seen where they have come from. (Cant wait to re do it with these comments in mind.)
However, what i have noted and it is a little deflating if not annoying that some voters are acting like they are an authority on i. I personally think it reads better if a comment comes across as a matter of opinion, i for one take much more notice. I have noticed this on other designs too.
Just a bit of feedback for those who are voting, please dont take it the wrong way because it is not intended to offend.
However, what i have noted and it is a little deflating if not annoying that some voters are acting like they are an authority on i. I personally think it reads better if a comment comes across as a matter of opinion, i for one take much more notice. I have noticed this on other designs too.
Just a bit of feedback for those who are voting, please dont take it the wrong way because it is not intended to offend.
Palms -
Your point is well taken, however many of those comments came from people who are recognized as authorities on floral design in the US. Since you're from the UK, you wouldn't know them by name, but their reputations here are very well established. Numerous AIFD members and former members of the AIFD membership committee, state and national champions and judges of state and national championships.
Not to say they are always right or perfect, but IMO FC is extremely fortunate to have them share their knowledge and contribute their helpful comments. Would rather read tips and observations than just see ratings with no reasons.
If you see any comment that is totally out of line, please PM me and I'll have a look.
Cathy
Sounds like a new drink...
Actually, spidering is a method of gathering or providing up-to-date data... They mainly create a copy of all the visited web pages for later processing by a search engine.
Notice on the forum page... FC has Currently Active Users: 71 (24 members and 47 guests)
Most of those guests are slurp spiders....go to the who's online pages to see how many are spiders (bottom link on the quick link drop down on the nav bar)
Example:
2 are guests
9 are crawl-66-249-71-140.googlebot.com
1 was msnbot-65-55-210-101.search.msn.com
35 are llf520198.crawl.yahoo.net
so 2 guests and 45 spiders
Yes, you are right...most of your hits are from slurp spiders not people...
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Palms
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Thats kind of my point, they dont read as tips and observations. They read as this is wrong and i know right.
I appreciate that they are qualified to a certain level, but if a designer has decided to "design" a piece, then that in their mind is the way it ought to have been, i can understand comments such as tidy things up etc. I personally respect someone who has been in the business for 5 years or for 35 years just as i would someone with no qualifications (bench trained) or someone with a degree in floristry. Basically I would treat all comments with the same respect. And I have not stated whose comments it was that i thought was a little opinionated.
Basic rules of floristry are very important but if we dont think outside of these rules new designs would never be born. Beauty to me is in the eye of the beholder. Inparticular, i sold my design the day i made it. The person was so pleased with it and thought it was really different.
Thanks for answering though.
I appreciate that they are qualified to a certain level, but if a designer has decided to "design" a piece, then that in their mind is the way it ought to have been, i can understand comments such as tidy things up etc. I personally respect someone who has been in the business for 5 years or for 35 years just as i would someone with no qualifications (bench trained) or someone with a degree in floristry. Basically I would treat all comments with the same respect. And I have not stated whose comments it was that i thought was a little opinionated.
Basic rules of floristry are very important but if we dont think outside of these rules new designs would never be born. Beauty to me is in the eye of the beholder. Inparticular, i sold my design the day i made it. The person was so pleased with it and thought it was really different.
Thanks for answering though.
Why are the spider slurps so interested in my design? Why don't they slurp everbody's design the same?
Tracy D'Amico
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Personally, I think it would be better if the designs were anonymous & unrated, more than the comments.
Either way, I also appreciate reading the feedback, qualified opinions or not qualified. It's something we rarely hear from customers, so I'm glad to have another point of view.
Hope to make it to the top 12! :tread:
That would have been the best possible scenario Tracy! I agree with you 100%...
Then It would have been completely impartial.
That is when I have gotten my most brutal critiques...
Then It would have been completely impartial.
That is when I have gotten my most brutal critiques...
Palms
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Shannon, i am taking it in my stride. I am merely giving feedback to those voting on how their comments can come accross. If they can comment on designs i can comment on their ability to give feedback.
I am more than happy with my design and comments to be made public, i am not ashamed with any of the feedback. They have inspired me to make 12 roses with less foliage but similar and cleaner looking for my new website. No problem with being critiqued, just think that it should read more like an opinion. I am not in awe of anyone really for qualifications, i would take each design on its own merit. I have had some wonderful suggestions in the past from students at college and i have seen some awful work from highly qualified people.
Anyway, not going to get into huge debate, just wanted to say how i felt some of the comments could be taken.
I have enjoyed this and will be entering further ones, just as i have taken on feedback on my design, it wouldnt hurt for others to take feedback too.
I am more than happy with my design and comments to be made public, i am not ashamed with any of the feedback. They have inspired me to make 12 roses with less foliage but similar and cleaner looking for my new website. No problem with being critiqued, just think that it should read more like an opinion. I am not in awe of anyone really for qualifications, i would take each design on its own merit. I have had some wonderful suggestions in the past from students at college and i have seen some awful work from highly qualified people.
Anyway, not going to get into huge debate, just wanted to say how i felt some of the comments could be taken.
I have enjoyed this and will be entering further ones, just as i have taken on feedback on my design, it wouldnt hurt for others to take feedback too.
Palms
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Oh I understand what you are saying Palms. My post wasn't meant to be the start of a debate. Please don't take it that way.
I also think that sometimes words here can be taken out of context.. It happens to me all the time.
I am taking most of the comments I have gotten as just their opinion.
I am, however, in awe of some peoples qualifications. Some people just really know what they are talking about and some don't.
Like Hitomi said to our class.."You can be a designer by education or a designer who thinks they know what they are doing.. That is the difference between an excellent designer and an ok designer."
Those are Hitomis words, not mine, but they ring in my ears, and I feel it's excellent advice for anybody in any line of work.
I also think that sometimes words here can be taken out of context.. It happens to me all the time.
I am taking most of the comments I have gotten as just their opinion.
I am, however, in awe of some peoples qualifications. Some people just really know what they are talking about and some don't.
Like Hitomi said to our class.."You can be a designer by education or a designer who thinks they know what they are doing.. That is the difference between an excellent designer and an ok designer."
Those are Hitomis words, not mine, but they ring in my ears, and I feel it's excellent advice for anybody in any line of work.
LJVF
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I think there may be a correlation between the amount of comments and the amount of times yahoo spiders slurps your section. Dazeal is another that has a high view count.
Seems that Yahoo sends far more spiders than Google does bots. Which is odd to me, it seems it would be the opposite.
OMG!!
You might as well have written that in chinese! I have no idea what any of that means..
All I can see in my pea brain is a bunch of robot spiders and jetson type robots trying to steel my arrangement...
I know I'm stupid.
You might as well have written that in chinese! I have no idea what any of that means..
All I can see in my pea brain is a bunch of robot spiders and jetson type robots trying to steel my arrangement...
I know I'm stupid.
njgraham
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We are all here at Flowerchat, I feel, to examine and explore with each other. Exploration is an offshoot of creation and as creative people, we must explore. As one goes exploring, you may go down a road you didn't mean to take or one you found to be less than perfect for you. This doesn't make it the "wrong" road. It is just part of discovery. To say it is not worth it because sometimes you hit a dead end or find something unpleasant, is to say you do not really want to play that game of creativity. You only want to play if everyone is nice and you get to be right all the time. (...even if you don't think this is what you are saying.)
We will all have unique perspectives and opinions. Hooray! That's why I'm here. If anyone is feeling picked on or singled out, maybe it would be useful try on a different perspective and change your way of viewing that situation. Ask yourself how you can change your perspective and your response so that you see it in another way. There is always more than one way to see something.
I have learned in my life to let go of some things in order to turn them around. It is such a relief for me to just let go of resentments and find another way of looking at things.
For instance, for many years I was feeling great sadness and resentment regarding an incident with 2 people close to me. As much as I tried to let it go, this resentment wove its way through almost every encounter I had with them and lingered in the back of my mind all the time. After another very painful, for me, experience, I forced myself to dig down deep to find something new to help me let it go. What finally worked was that I found a reason to be very happy for them rather than focusing on how wounded I felt I had been, and my resentment vanished in an instant.
I have gone on here longer than I intended, but I wanted to offer something different to the group to try to help us handle the design "competition" fallout. Aren't we lucky to have the opportunity to interact and to present our work to our peers for review in this format? I think so.
One perspective I use to accept feedback in my life is that I, for one, do not want to be the emperor who walks in the parade naked. And, I am very glad for those who will keep me from doing it.
We will all have unique perspectives and opinions. Hooray! That's why I'm here. If anyone is feeling picked on or singled out, maybe it would be useful try on a different perspective and change your way of viewing that situation. Ask yourself how you can change your perspective and your response so that you see it in another way. There is always more than one way to see something.
I have learned in my life to let go of some things in order to turn them around. It is such a relief for me to just let go of resentments and find another way of looking at things.
For instance, for many years I was feeling great sadness and resentment regarding an incident with 2 people close to me. As much as I tried to let it go, this resentment wove its way through almost every encounter I had with them and lingered in the back of my mind all the time. After another very painful, for me, experience, I forced myself to dig down deep to find something new to help me let it go. What finally worked was that I found a reason to be very happy for them rather than focusing on how wounded I felt I had been, and my resentment vanished in an instant.
I have gone on here longer than I intended, but I wanted to offer something different to the group to try to help us handle the design "competition" fallout. Aren't we lucky to have the opportunity to interact and to present our work to our peers for review in this format? I think so.
One perspective I use to accept feedback in my life is that I, for one, do not want to be the emperor who walks in the parade naked. And, I am very glad for those who will keep me from doing it.
can someone tell me what time it is now in Eastern time? I can probably work it out then :boggles:, thanks :>
LJVF
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What I mean is that Dazeal's and your photos have 4 pages of comments whereas most of the others only have 1 or 2. Perhaps Yahoo spiders have more pages to crawl on yours than the others, which puts your view count higher. :dunno:
I'm really not an expert on this, I think Ryan would have a more credible answer to this.
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